Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

I’m not so sure. I just took an Up express up the bank out of Lancaster after calling there, in falling snow. It slipped over and over, even on low power settings. I barely reached 10mph by the time I was through the pointwork, and still hadn’t reached 30mph by the top of the bank. It was a real slog, and I lost about 4 minutes in the process.

I agree on a dry rail it’s unusual to get wheelslip, but that was true of the real thing too.

 

For 80s BR that's like 3 days early

 

Have you got any more info on Clifton's neutral section as the cab ride I've got from around the era doesn't seem to have any magnets at Clifton at all?

 

I find the easiest to remember are the ones at Carlisle, Penrith and Tebay.
I've done 6 runs using the 87 now and only been caught out by neutral sections twice and one of those was a night run.

 

Does the 87 have brighter lights or high beam also feel like i can't enjoy the route cause I'm too busy concentrating on track side looking for neutral zones signs.

 

Yeah I guess I just expected more in the autumn, but after playing a winter service I definitely agree the wheelslip is well done there. It was a fun challenge to try and keep to the timetable.

I also noticed that the cab sway caused by the suspension when driving at line speed is really well done in the 87, making it more immersive and calming to drive.

 

Think this is definitely going to be a route where I explore the timetable in addition to doing Journey mode. Just thrashing north of Preston with a 31 on the 1P55 Manchester to Barrow mail train. Fastest I’ve gone with a 31 in TSW. So much to do with this route. And I see there’s a Class 40 Railtour to get stuck into to.

Can smell those diesel fumes drifting back!

 

Romulans stop chasing you.

 

Why is this 33 quid?

 

Because it's damned good and probably took a team over a year to develop? JT have bills to pay just like you and I.

 

Yes Benedict, it was the ECR sectional boundary between Crewe ECR and Cathcart, nestled in the wooded area before the line opens out to reveal the villages of Great Strickland and Lowther. I knew it as Strickland OHNS.

 

Because it verges on being a “pro” product both in terms of the route itself and the new Class 87. If you have the required layers there is a comprehensive timetable such that you might never need to buy another UK TSW route again. It’s a glorious blast of nostalgia from nearly 40 years ago, recreating the vibrant rich nature of the railway operations of the time. Yes there are one or two caveats and it is expensive, but you get so much more compared to other route DLC’s which are £30 after DTG’s price hike.

To put things in perspective, I not long ago paid £42 for Farming Simulator 25 which has turned out to be an unmitigated pile of poo - buggy, unfinished and with graphics that do credit to an Amiga 1200. I have already had more time and fun out of WCMLOS than wretched FS25, which I now wish I’d refunded.

You have two choices - either reach for your wad and fork out the £33 or wait six months (probably next June if you’re on PC/Steam) for it to catch its first sale discount.

 

I get that, not doubting JTs effort it’s just that since tsw3 it’s creeping up. Soon it will be 40 quid for an add on.

And regardless of FS25, it IS a full game, buggy or not that will be added too and improved through modding.

It’s a slippery slope.

 

Spent the last days completing the scenarios and away from the forums. What can I say, I love what JT did with the route so far. The 87 is an amazing loco and I’m enjoying the mix of high speeds and hard climbs and curves. As with BPO, the atmosphere is very immersive and alive - doubly so at the end points Preston and Carlisle but also in between. I’m looking forward to my dive into the timetable.

One thing that I noticed is that the fans on the 87 seem very quiet. Just based on German tap changers and cab rides on 87s on YouTube, I would have expected them to be a bit louder. Since I’ve never stood next to an operational 87, I can’t accurately judge the sound levels though.

 

It depends on what cab you’re in, Cab 1 has louder fans but no tap changing audio, cab 2 is the opposite. Or are talking exterior audio?

 

I was talking generally including external.

 

Does anyone knows why the layers for the steam railtours are from SoS and not Peak Forest?

 

Fantastically Fantastic! but then it was always going to be!

I've not delved into the 87 yet, just sat as a passenger in the MK3 from Lancaster to Carlisle, just to tease myself knowing I'm being hauled by an 87 and wanting to drive the thing, just reliving my youth!

I did notice a couple of things about the Mk3. The 'No Smoking' signs just seem to disappear when moving, it's as if they've been placed on the outside window, it'll sometimes comeback, it gets hidden behind the scenery when the train is moving, strange!

The IC Mk3 interior, now as I remember, the first time I stepped in one was around 1986 ( it was quite rare to see any Mk3 set in Chester on the Holyhead-London, usually a Mk2e/f set) but I'm sure at the end of the corridor on both sides by the door, there were 3 diagonal red stripes, be nice if these were added.

Now this maybe that I didn't have my sounds loud enough and with other background noise but when the Mk3's were pulling into the station, I didn't hear the whining and hissing these sets made, again it could just be me though.

I'm not going out this weekend so it looks like I'll be spending many hours on this route.

Thanks JT, simply brilliant.

 

Double checked the sectional appendix for 1988 as well as checking multiple cab rides and it seems like Strickland OHNS was a newer addition as there's no neutral sections between Tebay and Penrith.

 

Agreed on the red diagonal stripes, still a great product can't wait for my next go on it.

 

I actually prefer that as on TSC the fans drown out the traction sounds entirely, if there even are any on the non AP modded 87’s and 86’s. And the thing that really irks me on BBO and LFR is the continuous painful fan noise on the 103’s and 110’s.

 

I’m assuming that developers will generally try to use SoS for steam layers considering a lot more players own it (since it was widely marketed and also part some TSW3 core bundles) compared to Peak Forest, which was apparently so unsuccessful that it prompted DTG to cease work on any future steam content with immediate effect.

One of the few routes that uses Peak Forest for its steam layer is West Somerset Railway with its recently-added Steam gala timetable, and I’m still a bit salty about that because using such an unpopular route to unlock the new timetable prevents tons of players from experiencing it. Hopefully, Peak Forest is on a huge sale soon so I can finally check out the West Somerset steam stuff. In the meantime, I’m happy that other devs like JT make sure that as many players as possible can enjoy the steam layers.

 

The huge fan noise on the German BRO/LFR locos is definitely unusual. But I kinda love it since it’s one of the few times in TSW where you really feel and hear that you’re controlling a “beast”

 

So it looks and feels excellent. The ONLY thing and it’s a nit pick is, with these vintage or historical routes, I find the stations too clean, especially in the eighties which could be quite gritty as I recall.

would add a layer of immersion if it was a bit more run down.

 

True about the grime, or lack of. Also think it might already have been mentioned in the main feedback thread, not many passengers on the platform at Carlisle. A typical Anglo Scottish day time express would be picking up anywhere upwards of 50 passengers but when I arrived on P3 with the second Journey run not a soul waiting. However one thing JT have captured quite well, is that the trains are heaving. Looking inside the Mark Threes before leaving Preston not many spare seats. While it was never quite as bad as the ECML for crowding, turning up without a reservation going to or from Glasgow (or Carlisle) was never a great idea…

 

JT really do love detail though I’ll give them that, especially with the trees and shrubs and lineside detail.

have not played this in months as I was a bit peeved with the state of it but hopefully after a few updates things have improved?

 

Is EN444 being on all the OHLE masts (that I've looked at anyway) a reference to TSC, or am I seeing something that isn't there?

 

Yeah it's a little easter egg to the original Kuju signals from TSC.

 

Peak Forest was unsuccessful because DTG never put the work in to finish steam!

 

I like the shot of the carriage blasting through.

 

Best £33 I've spent the route is worth every penny it's brilliant

 

I think they captured that pretty well on the Blackpool South branch. It’s absolutely wrecked. Some station buildings looks like they could fall on my head at any moment

 

And while it sounds like a stuck record at this point, they dropped the ball by not going to Derby. Manchester was maybe too far (though not really) but having Derby as an end point far more iconic than bl...y Ambergate!

As I said earlier, already had far more fun out of WCMLOS than the £42 wasted on Farming Sim 25.

 

Reposting this from the official feedback thread juat because there are several WCML North threads right now:

The following layers are listed as "Not Owned" to me, even though they apparently should be available since I own TVL/31/20 and WCL:

"Teatime" (TVL)
"Vans" (WCL)
"KingmoorWagons" (WCL/TVL/PCA/PGA)
"CarlisleTripWorkings" (WCL/TVL/PCA/PGA)

The other DLC I would need are not listed, or, if no other DLC is required for these layers, then they are just not working. Any information would be appreciated. This on Series S

 

Peak Forest couldn't save steam locos because it was made really bland, steam locos couldn't save Peak Forest because they were made really bland.

If steam felt great to drive or Peak Forest was a Blackpool Branches maybe it would have been ok.

 

Nice little touch, got it straight away. Makes me wonder where the real EN444 signal is/was.

 

So teatime requires only Blackpool Branches
Vans requires BR Heavy Freight
Kingmoor Wagons and CarlisleTripWorkings requires BR Heavy Freight, Tees Valley, Class 31, Class 20, Blackpool Branches and West Cornwall Local

 

Thanks for the info!

 

I remember us having a bit of a back and forth about this before. I like the fans realistically loud but since I don’t know how loud a real 87 is, I might be complaining about nothing

The fans on German tap changers are just that loud I’ve certainly heard complaints that the cooling on the newer 3-phase AC locos is too little and gives them trouble in summer.

 

It's called inflation, there's been a lot of it about the past couple of years.

 

Just print screen while motion blur was on

 

This route aint the problem, its the possibility of the other routes.

 

I know I’m late to the party but…
WOW Just trains blew it out the park with this!!

 

Oh I actually do agree, I took a sharp intake of breath when DTG pushed the £5 increase. However getting WCMLOS for £33 is now making some of what's on sale and forthcoming for the standard £30 look a bit pale by comparison, particularly anything from you know who...

 

Given the quality of the route, its length, and the included rolling stock, plus the extensive timetable, I'd say £33 is worth it.

 

Have you visited the toilets?

 

Has anyone collected all the mint cakes, posters etc. around the route yet? I’m missing some and can’t bring myself to retrace my steps on such a massive and broad route.

Also has anyone unlocked the Tier 2 Mastery?

 

I have found all the collectibles and there is only one tier all collectibles are at stations expect there is a mint cake and castle at Morecombe few minutes walk towards the sea on table outside a cafe and mint cakes and castles are also in signal box/house i think in two

 

I think I’ve found all the signal boxes, although couldn’t see an accessible one north of the Carnforth ones. Found a mint cake in the warehouse at Hest Bank i think.. and then at the stations. Started in Morecambe too.

Strange, the Tier 2 on BPO was ace!

 

At Morecombe did you get ones that are quite far away from the station