Just Trains Making Wcml Over Shap And Br Class 87

I believe so. A few mint cakes scattered around the seafront; on benches, and then a castle.

I’ve checked on the route manual, apparently there is supposed to be a second tier of mastery.. perhaps it wasn’t finished at launch?

 

he is a very good and helpfull video of all route tasks locations

 

Does the 8f layer in on anything? Or is that free roam?

 

8F doesn't layer onto this route, but does on Blackpool Branches, the Jubilee and Flying Scotsman are the only steam layers on this route.

 

Thanks Dan

 

WCMLoS only has 1 tier for mastery.

 

Also when u see a branch and think u can drive and realised that the lin is for ai only as not finished

 

No problem. If you're interested Steamtown Carnforth is fully explorable and you could spawn an 8F on the demonstration line in free roam or timetable mode and run up and down that, as it has signalling and there is an explorable signal box there too.

 

Long time since I've been to Steamtown, not sure if it's open to public now. Last time I was there would of been early 80s. Pretty sure Duchess of Hamilton took water there, and Lord Nelson took over and did another leg of the tour. I remember a large smut (size of a small pea) from Lord Nelson landed on the sliding window above the seats in the carriage as we climbed through High Bentham.I was impressed at the size of it and picked it up, it was still red hot and stuck to my finger!. I was about 10 at the time. Wouldn't of fancied that in the eye, that's why we had goggles lol.

 

Ok I saw the toilets I stand corrected

 

I never really look for/car about route collectibles but I think I have almost everything for this route just because it’s so interesting to explore it on foot.

 

Hey all hope you are enjoying the route, I definitely am!!

I just wanted to ask if any of you have come across services which are interesting, with stuff such as adverse signalling or something a bit unusual during the run. Many thanks

 

Just had my first CTD on this route on PS5.
Was reducing speed for the neutral section by the Morecambe junction on a southbound run and the game froze and went to black screen.

 

Not done it myself, but I did a southbound run and 1S53 (northbound) got caught behind 1P06 at Penrith.

 

Was wondering if anyone can tell me what the "Dimmer Switch" in the Class 47 affects? It is just below the headlight switch, but I can't tell that its operation does anything in particular. Perhaps its function is not modelled?

 

Great story. It's no longer open to the public, as it's the main base for West Coast Railways for their operations, though a one off open day took place in 2008, but nothing since.

I tried the tutorial for the Class 87, but it's proving a bit tricky to learn it at the moment, JT I'll keep trying to get the hang of it.

 

Mentioned in the feedback thread but worth repeating here. The 87 going into a full brake application (and not maintaining the tap settings) loading a save game is becoming a bit of a drag. Surely this was picked up on in testing? Now going forward with the AWS isolated see whether having it enabled is the trigger - will find out later when I resume the run again.

 

I’d recommend the 4M12 Parcels run from Carnforth to Preston. Just two neutral sections, one just after the Hest Bank Signal box, and another around 10 miles out from Preston. No time to stick to, just a breezy 75mph run with plenty of time to get to grips with the notches, shut downs and the route!

 

Nice one, I used this guide tonight!

 

Thanks might give that one a try when I've had a bit more practice with the tutorial.

 

I love how you can do alot more with the 08 i love doing some shunting such a great little shunter

 

Yeah the Kingmoor - Currock and back scenario is awesome

 

Think I've just discovered an invisible wall I'm doing Carlisle trip working part 5 got this far it moves a bit then won't move at all now

 

I was curious how much better performance the Pendolino would be against an 87 while sticking to the 1986 speeds and neutral sections. So I did a non-timetable free roam with a non-stop path from Preston to Carlisle. Managed it in the Pendolino in around 1:00:30 so couldn't quite break 1 hour! Only a few minutes quicker than what the fastest 87 service is pathed for. It would be interesting to compare with a Class 801 that has better acceleration than the Class 390.

In reality even with EPS speeds a lot of the Glasgow bound Avanti services make more stops than that e.g. Lancaster and Penrith are common stops so it typically takes just over an hour on regular services. I'd have to look back at when Avanti tried to beat the APT London-Glasgow speed record to see how quickly it did that segment.

 

It's certainly interesting, the 801 will be much quicker than the 390, will certainly break the 1hr mark.

 

Quick question haven't found any myself but are there any limestone services that use the class 87 by any chance?

 

Does anyone why they don't into windermere on this line cause on the 2d map windermere is there would have good to run services to there

 

They said on the live stream that is basically boiled down to time and resources. They decided to do the Morcambe branch as it has a better timetable whereas the Windermere branch is single track and doesn't have so many trains running down it. They said that morecambe was better for drivable services which is why they preferred it.

In saying that, they did say that the track is laid so if they decide in the future to add it, much like Rivet and the Leven branch which was in game before being fully developed, they can add it at a future date if they want.

 

Thanks for the info

 

We can hope the Windermere branch might be added along with (say) a Class 108 pack.

It all really depends on whether JT see this as “job done” and move on DTG style to the next project. Or decide to invest in WCMLOS as a long term BR Classic era playground.

 

For those not familiar with the route and the locations of the neutral sections, I have made this list of their locations which include the warning marker and start marker.
These distances are in miles to either Carlisle from Preston or Carlisle to Preston and only reflect a direct run with no stops.

Between Preston and Lancaster
Northbound Warning marker: 71 miles to Carlisle SB Warning marker: 10 miles to Preston
NB Start marker: 70 Miles to Carlisle SB Start Marker: 9.1 miles to Preston



Morecambe North Junction
NB Warning marker: 57 miles to Carlisle SB Warning marker: 24 miles to Preston
NB Start Marker: 56 miles to Carlisle SB Start marker: 23 miles to Preston
This is located immediately before the junction merges from the left northbound and immediately after the branch diverges to the right southbound



South Oxenholme
NB Warning marker: 43 miles to Carlisle
SB Warning marker: 38 miles (just after the bridge south of the station)
NB Start marker: 42 miles to Carlisle SB Start marker: 37 miles to Preston



Tebay
NB Warning marker: 36 miles to Carlisle SB Warning marker: 47 miles to Preston
NB Start Marker: 35 miles to Carlisle SB Start marker: 46 miles to Preston (just before the green bridge)



Penrith
NB Warning marker: 18 miles to Carlisle SB Warning marker: 64 miles to Preston
NB Start marker: 17 miles to Carlisle just after the footbridge
SB Start marker: 63 miles (just before the 80mph speed limit)

 

Carlisle (Upperby)
NB Warning marker: 1.3 miles to Carlisle SB Warning marker: N/A as it is before the station
NB Start marker: 0.7 miles to Carlisle SB Start marker: 79 miles to Preston (shortly after the bridge)

 

Hero! I think I'd remembered all of the but there's always one I miss. Now I can add a small note to have when driving the route on electric.

 

I think it’s getting a loco DLC soon (was teased on the roadmap), which is good because it’s a nice way to add more variety to the relatively similar mainline runs. But after that, I hope they move on to their next project, preferably something with more variety and things to do like Blackpool Branches. As with all the mainline A-B routes with few stations (ECML, KWG), it’s going to be difficult to retain player interest in the long term.

 

Thing is nothing stopping JT from both expanding WCML and making a new route, you just need to be strategic with what new locomotives you pick. There isn't anything stopping them from doing a 108 either as part of the next route, or heck, maybe even doing it as a DLC for the next route, but also adding support to WCML alongside it, kind of like what happened with the Acela.

 

Although I were not by any means planning to run owt but BR blue on WCML this comment really intrigued me, especially with how the 801s would do on the 'foreign' rails of the WCML. So between an 87 express run and some shunting in an 08 I decided to take the 801 on this run. I used a fully loaded 801/2 and drove as I would in real life, so no braking at the last minute for any restrictions or going a sneaky couple of MPH over the limit, and managed to do Preston to Carlisle in 58 minutes and 40 seconds, leaving Preston at 1000 and arriving into Carlisle at 1058. Certainly an interesting experiment, though it felt really slow in the 801 compared to the 87!

 

I bet you washed your hands after

 

I have had a long day, would I be entitled to a hint as at the minute this one has gone flying over my head.

 

Has Xbox Series S users have a slightly reduced timetable and whatnot? As for some reason, I’m not getting the Carlisle trip workings on timetable mode nor do I have the weathered 08 and Flying Scotsman :-/

 

Timetable for Series S is the same for Series X and PS5.

The reason you're not seeing them is because they need another DLC to work.

Flying Scotsman needs Spirit of Steam I think as it substitutes for the Jubilee (which comes with Spirit of Steam) on this route. Not sure about the others.

 

I’m just very confused as to why I’ve not got all of the shunter services as well as the weathered 08

 

I did ask earlier and believe you need the following for Carlisle Trip Workings:

NTP, TVL, WCL, BPO, plus the class 31 and class 20 , and also BR Heavy Freight. I am not sure if you need SOS as well. I don't yet own NTP so can't test.

For FSCT, you as stated just above you need SOS for the layer, and then FSCT substitutes. Supposedly.

On Series S I am definitely seeing the weathered 08 at the limestone works, can't remember the location name right now but it's near Shap. You would at least need TVL and the class 20 for this, perhaps more.

 

Explains why I hadn't seen Scotsman, but I'm very surprised at the need for SoS, what does it even need? Kind of thought Scotsman already came with sets of BR coaches, plus even if it doesn't WCML does have all the BR Blue coaches that could've been used. Seems like a needless complication for those of us that own Scotsman.

Out of curiosity is the same true West Cornwall Steam?

 

Out of the add-ons needed for the trip workings, it’s WCL I currently lack so that may explain things

SOS I also lack but tbf, I’m more into the trip workings aha

 

Did someone say 87006?

 

Does anyone know what the times/headcode is for the parcel services?

 

Can you complete journey mode or are there any bugged and unfinishable services at the moment?

 

The effort that has gone in to the scenery is indeed massive and Just Trains should be applauded for such a detailed and long route. The amount of time that has gone in to scenery placement is simply immense and I am very happy with the route overall.

The Class 87 is really lovely to look at and drive and I think it has the best wheel slip implementation of any locomotive in the game. I was climbing out of Penrith from stopping there with a heavy passenger train with some snow falling and fighting the wheel slip was glorious.

However there are numerous track laying errors throughout the route that really stand out on high speed sections. They are mostly on curves where crossovers/points are at the same time. The worst I think is on the approach to Lancaster from the south and high speed through the station lines. The speed limit drops to 75mph and there is a long right hand bend which straightens out and then turns left through the station itself and crosses a set of points. The track is completely flat through the curves without any cant/superelevation. As soon as you cross the points the superelevation starts again. When I watch cab ride videos it is quite easy to see where superelevation should and shouldn't be. I reported after the preview the Clifton and Lowther crossovers. I didn't spot the Lancaster error because in the preview the train stops there and is travelling slowly and diverges off the through line in to one of the platforms. There are others throughout the route aswell but most have been completed correctly, so the errors I have noticed may have just been an oversight. This is by no means the first route with this problem. The curves out of Preston at Fylde Junction aren't superelevated in the game but they are in real life is another error that springs to mind. On BPO obviously.


I think I'm probably in the minority that finds it quite immersion breaking. It even annoys me that I find it so immersion breaking.
Now I realise this issue is probably partly due to the fact that laying track in the TSW editor is particularly time consuming when it comes to curves and cross overs. And at one stage I don't think it was even possible to have superelevated or canted points/crossovers in the game. I saw a track laying tutorial on YouTube that one of the TSG guys did and he spent what seemed like ages on a high speed superelevated curve with a high speed crossover/points coming off the curve.
Now I also realise that to fix/correct these errors would be massively time consuming across the whole route but maybe it can be taken in to consideration for the next route.

Again such a fantastic route in the main and I realise no route can be perfect. You set such a high bar for others to try and follow, it is to be commended.

 

Like I said above, Flying Scotsman can substitute for the Jubilee from Spirit of Steam.

As the Jubilee is the main train for the steam railtour, the DLC it is part of is needed, else it won't appear at all.