Just Trains Tfw Class 142 And 2019 Timetable

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  1. Phil47569

    Phil47569 Well-Known Member

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    I beg to differ, as a frequent user of the TfW services between Manchester Airport and Newton le Willows there are a couple of guards who manually do announcements in all known languages, including Welsh. It is quite amusing watching foreign tourists getting on at the Airport then hearing Welsh for the first time ;)
     
  2. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    That sounds more like showing off than anything official. And whether in Wales or England, IMHO the English should always come first to accommodate the 99% who don’t speak Welsh!
     
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  3. andrewandjane66

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    Are announcements in French on a Eurostar to Paris at St Pancras "showing off"? Which announcements should come first, English or French?
     
  4. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    English in Britain, French in France. However misses the point that Welsh is not that widely spoken even in certain parts of Wales. I mean, you don't hear announcements in Gaelic in Scotland or (AFAIK) Irish Gaelic in Ireland.
     
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  5. andrewandjane66

    andrewandjane66 Well-Known Member

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    So if I get on the Eurostar at Paris as a non-French speaker I'm not going to know if the buffet is open until I am half way through the Channel Tunnel? That's a funny way to run a railway.

    Whatever non-Welsh speakers think of the use of Welsh in Wales, its use in Welsh life is prescribed in Welsh Law and TFW's commitment can be read at https://tfw.wales/about-us/our-culture/community-partnerships/welsh-language
     
  6. Phil47569

    Phil47569 Well-Known Member

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    Well if you have the skill, flaunt it. It's the same when I am working a flight to Greece, Germany or The Netherlands, I'll do my PA's in English but then follow up with the local language. (We can actually get paid for speaking other languages however I am not fully fluent so have never taken the test, I do it to be helpful - and show off).
     
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  7. WelshTM

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    Hello - TfW guards opinion on announcement's. Whilst “all languages” aren’t officially endorsed, being able to help people in their native language won’t get you in trouble. That being said, Welsh, being the language of Wales, is encouraged to be used. Even for events, any “pre-worded” announcements are provided in both Welsh and English for those that are comfortable speaking Welsh.

    Last I checked Welsh is spoken by around 20% of the Welsh population fluently, more concentrated in the West and North regions. It is also the official language of Wales and there is laws around bilingual information. The Welsh language is as important as any language in my eyes.
    Thank you.
     
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  8. tom#2834

    tom#2834 Well-Known Member

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    Now do it in Welsh.
     
  9. WelshTM

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    If I paid more attention to my Welsh lessons in school, then I would :( I wish I did now :D

    But whilst I usually agree with OldVern i must say that it’s distasteful to say we shouldn’t do announcements in Welsh because “99% don’t speak Welsh” more or less, 1 in 5 people in Wales do and efforts are being made to make that number larger. On that topic, during the pandemic, Welsh was the fastest growing language in the UK according to Duolingo.

    Also - the annual population survey estimates 27.4% (at least 1 in 4) are Welsh speakers as of December 2024.
     
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  10. aroused by trains

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    No, I specifically said "forcing". If it's their native language, then it's not forcing them, is it?
     

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