Route Ligne Lyon - Grenoble / 1982-83 Classic French Turbotrain Route

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  1. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

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    Bonjour à tous! Good morning everyone and welcome to my last(maybe) introduction before summer break!
    Today I'll finally return to my beloved France, wanting to introduce you a proper, full(ish) unelectrified run! It would be the famous Lyon-Marseille Line (via Grenoble). Particularly, its Lyon-Grenoble northern section. Set in 1982-83, the last classic golden age of French railways, before the 1986 regionalization. We're in the "Sud-Est" of France, the Rhône-Alpes Region back then; crossing two departments: Rhône and Isère.
    From metropolis' urban heart to its eastern industrial districts, out through the large "Est Lyonnais" Plain. Continuing through that hilly central stretch, the "Bas-Dauphiné" and Bourbre Plain, it reaches the edge of the "Terres Froides"; the most rugged tract of the route. Finally crossing the Bièvre Plateau and the Isère River Valley to destination.
    The TT was quite dense and complete back then: express/rapid trains, regional/local services and a wide freight range to complete the experience! An iconic and historically relevant route, nice pre-Alpine landscapes, moderate operational challenge, but first of all, them: those iconic units, that defined the last classic French rail era! Are you ready to turn back the clock to those magical early 80s?

    FEATURES

    - 130.5km(81mi) Perrache<>Grenoble length.
    - 4km(2.5mi) Perrache<>Brotteaux length.
    - Double track(most of), standard gauge, electrified 1.5kV DC/unelectrified(most of).

    - 16‰(1:63) max gradient.
    - 80-150kph(50-93mph) speed range.

    - BMU as signaling regime(mechanical/luminous).
    - Crocodile(RS) as safety system.
    - Sol-train(RST) as comm.

    Infra, stock and operations were managed/carried out by SNCF SEM (1938-83). French government public company.

    LAYOUT

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    Up: general route view; all stations/stops are indicated. Cyan: 1.5kV DC; Red: unelectrified.
    Down: Lyon node focus; all major structures/facilities are indicated.

    STATIONS

    This route featured 27 active stations/stops/terminals, plus one under completion (Part-Dieu).

    The calls were, as follows:

    ----Lyon-Genève-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    - Lyon-Brotteaux old terminus (until 1983) [ B ]
    - Lyon-Part-Dieu new terminus (final setup)
    ----Lyon-Grenoble---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    - Lyon-Perrache main terminus [ A ]
    - Vénissieux (old location)
    - St-Priest
    - Chandieu-Toussieu
    - Heyrieux
    - St-Quentin-Fallavier
    - La Verpillière
    [ C ]
    - Vaulx-Milieu (until 1985)
    - St-Alban-la Grive (until 1985)
    - Bourgoin-Jallieu [ D ]
    - Sérézin-de-la-Tour (unitil 1984)
    - Cessieu
    - La Tour-du-Pin
    - St-André-le-Gaz
    node station
    - Virieu-sur-Bourbre
    - Châbons
    - Le Grand-Lemps
    - Beaucroissant
    - Rives
    - Réaumont
    (then Réaumont - St-Cassien)
    - Voiron
    - St-Jean-de-Moirans
    (until 1984)
    - Moirans node station
    - Voreppe
    - St-Égrève-St-Robert
    - Grenoble
    terminus [ E ]

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    Up: [ A ]
    Down: [ B ]

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    Up left: [ C ]
    Up right: [ D ]
    Down: [ E ]

    PASSENGER

    According to the original Sep 1982-May 1983 TT
    Link: https://timetableworld.com/ttw-viewer.php?token=824cdb34-4b71-41fa-945a-505356e11ca8

    Table 545: Lyon<->St-André-le-Gaz<->Grenoble

    < Rapide de nuit
    a) Paris G-d-L<>Grenoble, 4Tpd (2+2)[semi-direct]

    < Express de jour
    a) Lyon<>Grenoble, 1/2Tph[direct/semi-direct]
    b) Lyon<>Grenoble, 2Tpd (1+1)[direct]

    < Desserte locale
    a) Lyon<>St-Priest/Bourgoin-Jallieu, 1Tph/1Tp2h[omnibus]
    b) Grenoble<>St-André-le-Gaz/Bourgoin-Jallieu, 1Tph/1Tp2h[omnibus]
    c) Lyon<>Grenoble, some dailies[régional]

    Table 532>545: Lyon<->Chambéry<->Bourg-St-Maurice/Annecy

    < Express de jour
    a) Lyon<>Chambéry/Annecy, some dailies[semi-direct]

    < Desserte locale
    a) Lyon<>Chambéry/Bourg-St-Maurice, 1Tph[régional]

    Table 545>536: Genève<->Chambéry<->Grenoble<->Valence

    < Express de nuit
    a) Genève<>Hendaye, 2Tpd (1+1)[semi-direct]
    b) Genève<>Vintimille, 2Tpd (1+1)[direct]

    < Express de jour
    a) Annecy/Bourg-St-Maurice<>Valence, 1Tp2/3h[direct]
    b) Genève/Chambéry<>Valence, 4Tpd (2+2)[semi-direct]

    < Desserte locale
    a) Grenoble<>Valence, 1Tph[omnibus]
    b) St-Gervais-les-Bains<>Valence, 1Tp2h[régional]

    FREIGHT

    Lively and diversified, being the route one of the most important axes of the region!
    Many daily runs across the line: between major regional freight hubs and Lyon, transfer services between the two main yards of the route or urban yards, collection service from local customers and dedicated "messagerie"(mail/parcels) trips!

    Sectors involved:
    - Aggregates
    - Cement
    - Steel/scraps
    - Cereals
    - Chemicals
    - Logs (seasonal)
    - Miscellaneous/parcels

    STOCK

    - T 1000 ETG & T 2000 RTG "Turbotrain" Gas turbine/diesel MUs | X 2800 "Bleu d'Auvergne" Hydro-mechanical railcar & X 4630 EAD "Caravelle" Diesel-hydraulic MU.
    Photo 1.jpg

    - BB 66000 "Mouette" & BB 67000 "Mémère" Diesel-electric locos | Corail VTU B11tu & UIC-Y B9c9x Coaches.
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  2. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

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    - Gs 40 Boxcar | Res 90 Flatbed | Uahs Tanker | Eaos 80 Dumper Freight wagons.
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    LAMPOIL

    This proposal fits (almost)entirely all DTG process points, except for: length(negligible), "old doesn't sell well" (to be proven ;)) and historical research/access (original route layouts/plans etc.). A good selection of preserved stock still available today!

    PICS

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    Clockwise:
    - Cours de Verdun, the Perrache District
    - Lyon-Part-Dieu construction site
    - Bottom>top: Lyon-Gerland yard, Lyon-Mouche depot and Lyon-Guillotière interport
    - Vénissieux general depot

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    Clockwise:
    - Renault Parilly Plant
    - Vénissieux yards & terminals
    - "East-lyonnais" Plain
    - St-Félix Lake & "Bas-Dauphiné" Heights

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    Clockwise:
    - "Terres froides" & Bièvre Plateau
    - Izeaux Quarries
    - Ancient Rives Steelworks
    - The "Pont du Bœuf", 263m long

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    Clockwise:
    - Château de Réaumont
    - Voiron & looping passage through it
    - One of the local cement plants
    - Grenoble
    view

    TO CONCLUDE

    This idea would bring a breath of fresh air to the game: France's comeback (such an eternity... :() and at the same time, providing a clear shot of its last golden rail era! A classic route, rocking some of the most iconic units of the time! Fingers crossed, would be a nuke from the blue!! :love:

    Caravatt :).
     
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  3. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    SNCF diesels! My Lord’s, Hellfire etc. Bring it on.

    And my favourite early Corail stock too.

    Day One.
     
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  4. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

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    Was just waiting for your thoughts, Vern ;)
    Let's say, this would be the ideal playground for old-school enthusiasts like us :cool:
    Large diesel roars, high-pitched hisses and turbine whirrings, alongside some classic loco-hauled experience :love:
     
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