Route Linke Rheinstrecke - Feedback Thread

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  1. Tigert1966

    Tigert1966 Well-Known Member

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    On the PS4 there isn’t a 64 Gb limit. There is a 50 dlc limit though, so it might be that.

    Unfortunately I don’t think you can uninstall a single route on PS4, so I think you have to reinstall with a different set of routes, which is not ideal.
     
  2. AronStenning

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    Lame especially as I only have 42 routes installed.

    Hopefully DTG have/are addressing this with Sony. A pain to uninstall and reinstall!
     
  3. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    It also includes any loco dlcs you have installed. It's not just routes
     
  4. MYG92

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    It was a lie the BR110 is diesel not electric I don’t why there’s pantographs on the roof:
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  5. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    Yes i reported this already. Its the freight yard called bingenbrück. Also pzb approach is bugged into siding 105 (both sides)
     
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  6. Luke8899

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    The BR 628 does really help the Mainz end of this route feel busier. It adds 49 services playable services and I think there's some AI only services too. The vast bulk are SE and RB service on the Southern end of the route, which was the area that did feel most lacking in AI traffic before.

    Although the 628 not exactly a fun train to drive, it is different to any other German passenger train there is in the game, and if you're bored of electric then it'll give you something else to try, it's also so terrifically slow and reluctant to go anywhere that you can get spend a decent amount of time enjoying the scenery when playing the handful of RE services that run between Bingen (Rhein) and Koblenz.

    Definitely recommended as a compliment to this route, if for some reason you hadn't considered Niddertalbahn yet.
     
  7. dbrunner#4864

    dbrunner#4864 Well-Known Member

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    While mostly its a very nice DLC and i bought it instantly i do have some issues with the BR103.
    -The acceleration is extremely slow, it barely accelerates with notch 30 (it behaves similar to a 3000kw loco) I wonder if the physics are copy paste from the 110?
    -The brake release time even when on minimum application is insane, its similar to releasing the brakes on US freight trains with 30 cars. It takes more than 5 seconds and if you apply more than minimum brakes you can just forget about actually releasing them in time.
    I did not find any of this issue with the Virtual Railroads BR103 in TSC, i wonder if all the configs for BR103 are done properly
     
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  8. bdobronz1968

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    I think there is a bug with the overall distance showed in the HUD and the distance really driven. Did someone mentioned this yet?
    I drove from Mainz to Koblenz with a D-Zug this morning, right after the departure in Mainz Hbf HUD told me that the distance would be 61 km, but the summery at the end of the trip stated I‘ve travelled 91,67 km. And I think this is the correct value. Seems that this bug appears on every journey. Or am I wrong?
     

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  9. Luke8899

    Luke8899 Well-Known Member

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    The HUD shows the real time straight-line distance between your train and the objective. The actual distance you travel will be calculated afterwards according to the length of track you ran along. On routes like this where the route is very curvy, the straight line distance will be considerably shorter than the actual route length, hence the discrepancy is very noticeable. It's a core issue, affects all routes, DTG are aware but as yet no solution has been forthcoming.
     
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  10. TKessel

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    The Distance on the marker is the direct distance to the object, like when you see on google maps how far a certain point is from your home. But the distance of the object to you does not represent the distance between you and the object when travelling on a road for example.

    Same applies here, it is not the distance on the track, but the distance as "air line" (Luftlinie in german). The "driven" parameter against that shows the real distance travelled on track.
     
  11. Tom Fresco

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    But then why are distance markers measuring as the crow flies and If im not mistaken speed changes and signals are displayed with their actual track distance?
    It seems like they always count down evenly unlike the distance to the next Station.
     
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  13. bdobronz1968

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    Thank you!
     
  14. bdobronz1968

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    So nice :love:

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  15. lux#4689

    lux#4689 Well-Known Member

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    On LFR, there are lots of issues:
    - Cars driving through closed crossings
    - Crossings not closing at all
    - Several places, that are completeley dark
    - Brakes of the BR 103, BR 110 and n-Wagen
    - PZB indicators when under 500Hz
    - TT:
    . several trains running on the wrong line without any reason
    . no speed limit set for trains, who are not allowed to run as fast. Like this, AI does always run at max speed, even if train is not allowed that fast (BR 110+n-Wagen (max. 140 km/h), BR 628 (max. 120 km/h), freight (max speed depends on several things)
    - Speed signs are showing different things to HUD, speed limitations starting before the signs, ...

    Route is not bad, but it absolutely needs some fixing.
     
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  16. grdaniel48

    grdaniel48 Well-Known Member

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    I agree!

    Mainly considering I was driving it at 90 kph and suddenly a yellow and then red light appeared, and it was impossible to stop the train before it, then I miss the timetable.
    What should be the speed for freights there? May be just 60 kph?
     
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  17. grdaniel48

    grdaniel48 Well-Known Member

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    I believe to include the BR155, should be the right choice for this route for freight trains.
    Even considering that the freight cars are heavy.
     
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  18. grdaniel48

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    Why the freight trains, start and stops on passenger stations?
    I mean considering there are 2 freight yards on both Mainz and Koblenz.
    I believe it will be much better to depart and arrives there!.

    I know using the HBfs, means does trains run longer route than the one recreated.
    But at least could be several services from yard to yard.

    May be there are some ones, as I have just bought the route last Friday.
     
  19. grdaniel48

    grdaniel48 Well-Known Member

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    One last comment about it...
    I have noticed most of the boats are behind trees or on a place where it is not easily to view them, when driving the train.
    Meanwhile there are other areas where you have plenty visibility of the Rhine river, but there are no boats at all.
    I suggests to change the position of most of the boats. Or add new ones.

    Considering in this route we have: trains, cars, and boats, would be nice if DTG can include on some area a plane passing - like on Koln-Aachen, or some balloons, to complete all transportation modes.
     
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  20. erg73

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    Has anyone done a freight service that started or ended in the Koblenz-Mosel yard? All the ones I have done so far have been in Koblenz Hbf.
    Also from what I gather from this great review by Tom Fresco : https://www.rail-sim.de/testberichte/review-dtg-linke-rheinstrecke-mainz-koblenz/
    is that they do exist, although as I don't know German the translator might make me misunderstand.
    I guess there must be services here because otherwise why would DTG bother to model it and fill it with wagons?
     
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  21. March Hare

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    Good idea. Although, to be honest, the only way I can see most scenery on any route is to switch to an external view and zoom the camera out. Especially on British routes, with most trains' ridiculously tiny windows
     
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    That is what I have mentioned above.
    It is really strange.
    But I hopes, at least some freight services starts and ends on freight yards!.
     
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  23. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    This unfortunately is common on TSW routes, especially German ones- even though there's a perfectly good freight yard available, freight trains pull into passenger platforms.
     
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  24. ShaneS89

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    Has the ICE 1 always layered in or is that new? I’ve got 2 services for it now that I never noticed.
     
  25. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    It's a layer
     
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  26. Inkar

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    It has always been there.
     
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  27. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    At the time the route is set (1997), the north-south ICEs and ICs were sent along the LRS, despite its speed limits, because there was no Köln-Frankfurt high-speed line then.
     
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    Why?
     
  29. bdobronz1968

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    It was very seldom that the 110.3 had been used as a freight loco. This streamline shaped version was originally made to pull the legendary Rheingold passenger trains. And later they where more in use for passenger services but not really for freight. It happend occasionally, but if a 110 was pulling freight, it was more the boxy standard version of the 110 and not the streamline „Bügelfalte“. It is not completely wrong, but in that era it was not common. Since I’m no big fan of freight services it doesn’t bother me too much. But it is obvious that a freight loco of this era is missing. In my mind it would have been the better decision to use a 155 or 143 as a freight train here. They’re are nor perfectly fitting in for various reasons, but better than the 110.3. And this would have added some more diversity.
    I'm dreaming of TSG continue working on their BR 218 in the near future, that would be a cool locomotive on this track, not only for freight
     
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  30. erg73

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    Sorry grdaniel48 , I didn't realise you had also asked about this. After performing several services I thought the same as solicitr , that it was a modelled yard that would never be used. I was surprised that they had put in so much static material if we would never go there in the end, but I accepted it. What has made me doubt is the review I mentioned before.
    Could someone from Germany translate for us if it really says that there are services that end there please?
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    It leaves room for speculation. It says that, also in service mode, the yard is well filled with trains, however, they (not written in there, but my speculation) could also just be static or AI models. The sentence ends with the words that not all services have to end in Koblenz Hbf, but it is not mentioned that this has actually been encountered during his test drives. Hence, it not clear to me that the yard is actually used...
     
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  32. erg73

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    Thank you very much for the explanation, although it seems to be a little unclear. I will keep doing services and if I find one I will report it here!
     
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    It seems to me that if DTG are serious about producing more Bundesbahn routes, then they really need to produce the 140/141 twins, an all-purpose duo like the 146/185 twins are for modern routes. The 140 and its siblings were the backbone of DB from the 50s to the merger and beyond.
     
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  34. grdaniel48

    grdaniel48 Well-Known Member

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    Please... you do not have to sorry about it.
    I just commented about that issue.
    The main thing here is DTG, gave us the possibility of having several freight services from Mainz to Koblenz and vice versa starts and ends on a "Gbf" (freight terminal in german).

    This not be complicated for them.
     
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  35. grdaniel48

    grdaniel48 Well-Known Member

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    SPECIAL COMMENT AND MESSAGE TO DTG
    (Please notice, I am not shouting using the capital letters, just want to get more attention)

    After driving this fantastic and lovely route, I noticed the following:
    Despite it is very long, it has lot of scenery and object details - like the castles, cars, buildings, wine yards, etc. - , it has lot of AI traffic, and very detailed locomotives... I can really enjoying very much, on a smoothly way!. I mean, it have very few stutters, but just near Mainz hbf only.

    Furthermore when I position my view very close to the locomotive - happily! - I noticed the locomotive does not have any kind of "ugly" shape details reductions - as on most of other routes! - in order to supposedly have better performance.
    Even using the "zoom" vision mode.

    The DB 103 and passenger wagons are very detailed, and despite of that the experience is smooth.

    Please check this image:

    TSW3 - DB103 - PERFECT VISUALS.jpg

    Comparing with the ICE 1 on other routes:

    TSW3 - ICE101 - BAD VISUALS.jpg

    Some months ago I have reported this issue, with lot of images.

    The almost real visuals of the trains and scenery, is one of the main features of this simulator, comparing with other ones..
    Of course between other important features.

    The if you modify the trains that way "in the name" of performance, when clearly it is not necessary - as showed on the first image, and for the less powerful hardware the experience of the game, becomes really bad.
    For example, seeing locomotives with triangle shaped headlights is really ugly.

    Then kindly ask you, to change the visual of locomotives and trains, as it was before, without reducing shape details!

    Please notice I have a regular PS4.

    This new great route, is a clear example, that it is possible!

    Please kindly understand.

    Thanks
     
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  36. traindori

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    After numerous trips I have to say that the route has probably been "optimized" for the Mainz -> Koblenz trip or that the route is simply more beautiful. The vineyards come into their own more and the "forests pop up" is minimal in this direction (in contrast to the opposite direction to Mainz).

    A trip from Mainz to Koblenz is therefore much more fun than the other way around. :)

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  37. OpenMinded

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    I have to say that I am really enjoying this route, however, I am trying to only drive heading north, as I am absolutely not so keen on the messy speed indications driving into Mainz.

    In the beginning I was really disappointed with the brakes on the fast trains with its BR103. I am exclusively driving it with the air brakes disabled on the loco, as described by meridian#2659 in post #422. It’s a completely new driving experience and as I am able to adhere to the PZB rules must be pretty close to the real behaviour.

    So, thanks DTG for this route. But Please, please fix what has already been mentioned and bring the 101 on:cool:
     
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  38. hyperlord

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    I kind of rediscover the small stations (most 103 just fly by) with the DB BR 628 services, the pace is just right for looking a bit more left and right :)
     
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  39. steveownzzz#6107

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    Are you sure it’s not the “Get out and Push” scenario?
     
  40. TKessel

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    I noticed when driving BRO again at the weekend that the 110 has it's VMAx Limit of 140kp/h shown in the HUD even when the track allows 160kp/h. On MKB it shows the track limit instead of VMax of the loco.
     
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    It has probably something to do with this:
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...in-game-speed-limit-system.65312/#post-614417

    Something was changed to the way speed limits are managed with TSW3. With the new routes this seems to have changed to its original state back again (only my observation).
     
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    I apologize if this is already written somewhere, in this very long thread.

    As far as I know, the BR 101 was put into Service in 1995. The Route is set in 1997, would it not be possible to find the BR 101 instead of the BR 103?
     
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    I bought the route for the 103. Don't mind sharing it with a 101 but not at cost of losing 103.
     
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    Was anywhere mentioned, if there is some planned DLC for this route? I really like this route and its trains, but there is still lack of consist. Other germans routes are full of layered trains, and this is something what is missing there. DTG opened new doors with setting route to 1997 and this is nice chance to make some older trains for it.
     
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    There is no dlc planned. Nothing is on the roadmap
     
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    ABOUT THE BRAKES (BR 103 and BR 110): before applying the brakes, move the tap changer to 0, wait for the "clack" sound and then start braking. The brakes behave normal, without excessive amount of brake force.
    There are 2 or 3 seconds delay between the tap changer moved to 0 and the "clack" sound.
     
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    I can’t complete service ic 924 Frankfurt to Düsseldorf departing 2:09. I get stukc at a red signal 1.3km from koblenz hbf because a freight service 55355 from cologne to Mannheim supposed to depart at 3:03 or 5 mins before my arrival is blocking the platform. I waited 30 mins it’s stuck there
     
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    On Mastery, It is mentioned if you completes 2 scenarios, you get "fireworks" near St. Goar station.
    I did it, but I could not see them!
    No time specification is mentioned, so I went there at sunset and at night, but I could not see any fireworks there.

    Have you see them?
    Could some one else specify the conditions needed to see them?
     
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  49. meridian#2659

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    Have not made the mastery yet, but my guess is you need to activate it in the menu like the other mastery tier 2 awards. About the time i just saw around 500 posters on the map about the st.goar firework, cant remeber now if there id a time shown or a hint. (Sylvester?)
     
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    grdaniel48 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for your reply.
    But I believed I have so make something extra, but do not remember where and how to do it!
    Any help about it, be appreciated.
     

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