Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz-koblenz

Just what I was thinking, if Euro Truck Simulator did that, we would be at Euro Truck Simulator 69 by now...

 

TBH, TSW3 wasn’t exactly a rip-off. Not being interested in the base routes, except for the extended SEHS, when Biringham Cross City was released, I bought it with the base game at the same price as the route alone. I understand that this arrangement is available for other routes as well.

Hopefully, any TSW4 release will have the same release model.

 

How was it NOT a rip-iff? Other than the dynamic weather, which could have been a free update, there is nothing new in it. TOD4 and every other new feature is route specific, not core specific, so we can't even say "oh it introduced TOD4, etc".

The only reason for the new TSW3 release was to put up a paywall in front of new releases. For example, if someone wants any of these new german routes now, well, they have to get TSW3. Also it was great to hold back the preservation crew updates for TSW2 so people desperate to play their old routes was pretty much forced to buy TSW3 to enjoy the fixes.

Sure, you could get TSW3 for the price of just one route with the Biringham Cross City bundle, but that does not mean the release of TSW3 made any logical sense. The few core updates could have simply been free upgrades, like they have always been the case in TSC. Then new routes be simple releases or route bundles like in the past.

 

In fact, Dynamic weather was a feature in the game for a long time, a few scenarios from the past have included it.

Lightning has also existed since the original TSW, in fact, one Oakville Journey Mode service has included lightning since its release in 2020, you don't need a mod for that.

TSW 1 > TSW 2 made some sense, they couldn't just drop NEC NY without making a new game, among other reasons.
TSW 2 > TSW 3 could've been a free update.

 

Three new routes for the price of one; can't complain. How was it any more of a ripoff than Rush Hour?

 

You were not forced to buy Rush Hour if you didn't want it and could continue to buy routes after it without an issue. The Rush Hour bundle didn't set up a paywall for future content. On the other hand, TSW3 did.

 

Other games but trucks are quicker to respond
No bugs

 

There better not be a TSW4 this year….

I can’t wait to see this new route being previewed next week. Looks like it’s going to be a very scenic one. I really need to watch the cab ride vid that was linked here earlier to get an idea of what to expect but from the sounds of it it’s going to be amazing. I’m all for German routes but I REALLY wish we will get some Berlin routes at some point for TSW. More U BAHN too.

 

Which U-bahns there are Berlin Hamburg München & Frankfurt am Main? For DTG they will do TSC ones which were U-bahn Frankfurt and Hamburg into TSW 3. For Linke Rheinstrecke it can link to U-bahn Frankfurt if the S-Bahn Rhein-Main S8 tracks were built from Mainz Hbf to Frankfurt Süd with Linke Rheinstrecke becoming the TSC version which was Koblenz Bingen Mainz Frankfurt am Main set in the 1990s. Cross interchange platforms S8 LFN from Mainz with U-Bahn Frankfurt are Hauptwache and Konstablerwache.

 

That's not true. It's set in modern days.

 

All of them. But I would really love the Berlin U Bahn if I had to pick just one.

 

Oh I don't know. Last time I tried ETS2 the sound on the vanilla trucks, which turned awful after they switched to FMod, was still awful.

 

With the exception of BBO and ScotRail Express there's been a bundle to buy all TSW3 routes as a starter set. And in reality if you wanted ScotRail Express you'd probably have got the Birmingham Cross City starter set.

 

It is not a rip off because you were told exactly what you were getting prior to purchase. It is your choice whether to buy this. If the only reason to get it is for future routes and these are available as a bundle which includes the base game for the same price as the route alone, then it is a free upgrade. That’s how I got it.

 

Depends. I would have loved to get BRO. Finally, we got a classic german passenger loco and the long awaited n wagons. I would have liked to support these additions in the sim, and show DTG that the "Einheitsloks" and the n wagons were long awaited. But, as Dinosbacsi already mentioned, they put a paywall in front of it. There was no bundle which included BRO and TSW 3.
I would have loved to get BRO, LFR and especially NID, to show my support for TSG and the first full german diesel route. I have no interest in any of the TSW 3 base routes, so I don't want any of them. But if I want any of the future german routes I would have to pay for at least one of the base routes.
I won't do this. So in the meantime, DTG have a lost a further customer. Maybe, I will buy TSW 3 in the future (to get the future german routes (which is the important part in the discussion)), but only if it is really cheap.

It was throughfully discussed in this forum, if the changes between TSW 2 and TSW 3 justified a new release. However, it has to be acknowledged that is a paywall for future releases. Yes, there was a bundle for SCC but not for BRO.

So no, TSW 3 is not a rip off, if you want to see it defined as cheating. However it is rip off, in that they want to try to trick you to pay too much money for something.

And, to not only post offtopic: I would have loved to get LFR, but wont, because it is put behind a paywall, named TSW 3 .

 

If it was a free upgrade, then it would have been a free upgrade and we wouldn't have TSW3. Stop defending shady, anti-customer business practices. TSW3 has no reason to exsist other than being a paywall for future content and upgrades, this is clear as day. As much as I love DTG (or well, the people we know behind the company, like Matt, etc) and enjoy their work on a daily basis, the TSW3 release was a really despicable move from them in my eyes.

Anyway, I wouldn't want to continue putting this thread off topic, so my TSW3 rant is over, lol.

 

And here is where the modding community shines. ETS2's mod community makes BY FAR better sounds.
But the defaults aren't to bad, same can't be said about TSW...

Scania T with a straight pipe soundpack really is something.

 

Is it just me or anyone else finds the lack of article coverage worrying?
The preview stream is in 3 days, release date is probably going to be in 1-2 weeks. But so far, apart from the festival/roadmap reveal, there has been no official article on Dovetail Live.

I guess we're going to get one this week before the stream, but it could be a sign of another rushed release.

 

i just hope they dont again Release a german route with a heap of Spikes and 10 sec freeze area like most german routes are well known for on TSW this is such a great route on Train Sim Classic even know it goes to Frankfurt witch this should of gone to but anyway hope for future extended to the route so it does but yeah going back to most german routes having major spikes i hope dovetail do get it right i for one would like to see Dovetail also go back to the days where we had a preview 1 & Preview 2 so u get feedback off the community and then work on things the community wanna see the most from that route and also stop rushing releases we know dovetail are cash cows but hey wouldnt u do the same if u had a company

 

We've seen less and less articles lately, with developement updates in the roadmap. I'd guess that quite some info will be lu ped into tomorrows roadmap, with maybe an extra article this week.

It's kinda sad to see less articles, o the other hand, Mike from TSG said for example that he'd rather spend time on developing than on devblogs.

 

I know it's wrong translated but a German saying goes like "Don't paint the devil on the wall" ;-)

 

After the almost 30 page long complaint about their latest release, would you set of the fireworks for the next one if you where them ? I kinda hope that the radio silence is a no-mans-sky-esque behind the scenes bugfix marathon.

 

IMO Dresden Riesa would be great if the graphics were updated. It’s a good route but the outdated graphics means look really bad on my, admittedly aging, PS4 so I almost never play it.

My favourite German routes are probably Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr and Rhein Ruhr Osten because the graphics are good and the routes have lots of tracks and yards and are kind of like roller coaster rides. You can do cool stuff in Service Mode on this routes too. HRR is especially great for running trains at night (like a G6 hailing intermodal cars…it’s very cool).

Main-Spessart Bahn is another good one…I love racing 101 hauled IC trains through the tight curves on that route, the “rail squeal” as the train tears around the bends is very realistic.

The new Rhein route is definitely promising and I’m looking forward to it.

 

Speed limits are for wimps....

 

The preview image for the stream on March 9th, 2023 already shows a new view of the BR103:

 

I'm really looking forward to watch the stream (or the VOD during Friday work hehe), the entire route and loco still coming kind of "out of nowhere" for me ... don't want to use the word "hyped" ... ;-)

 

Hallo zusammen, weiß jemand was die linke Rheinseite kosten würde bzw. sollte wenn sie diesen Monat käme

 

Most likely £29.99/€35.99/$39.99

 

Hoffentlich kommt das add on noch diesen monat raus

 

Cool! Lorelytunnel and the 103 absolute dream

 

Hadn't paid much attention to this route, but this screenshot sure grabs the attention.

 

Loreley tunnel would be the line on the right side of the river

 

It's the one that has two seperate shafts with separate portal styles right?

 

Sorry my fault thats the rechte rheinstrecke

 

Yes, you are correct.

 

Very nice screenshot but I am concerned that the coaches are reskinned BR 101 DLC coaches and not more common UIC-X coaches.

 

That was announced like that. And they already ran back then

 

Lack of UIC stock does put a downer on this route.

Rummaging through the various threads and posts, has the actual release date being confirmed? I only ask as I’m currently contemplating dropping most of March’s game budget on XP12.

 

I assume next week Tuesday or thursday... That's normal when a preview is planned!

 

They are similar, but not the Same, according to the last Roadmap, the 103s coaches are Avmz and Bvmz compared to the 101s Avmmz and Bpmmz. So they are different interior wise , Like 2nd class compartments and (should) have small exterior changes, unfortunaly it didnt seem like they would have slam doors.

 

same coaches, just this time pre-modernization. Interior has been modified during modernization irl. And those coaches never had slam doors irl.

 

A question thread for the preview stream is now available. I think the people in this thread have enough questions.

As for the lack of UIC-x stock, I'm not too surprised. The coaches they used currently were also not uncommon on topline IC services in the '90s and could be based on existing models (that are very well done, especially sound wise). UIC-x stock would be more important for D trains, some regional expresses, and in rebuilt form for IR services.

 

Avmz had.

 

different type of Avmz

 

Confirmed that this route will be missing PIS on release. Very disappointing, same as Spirit of Steam (which never had PIS implemented either and is generally in a pretty sorry state).

I can let it go for Niddertalbahn given there's apparently only one PIS screen on the whole route there but it's such a head-in-hands moment to see that routes are still launching without core features. Sorry to be negative but there it is.

 

I've got some mixed feelings about the roadmap reveals.

• BR 110 on freight. This just feels wrong, the BR 110 could only really rarely be seen on freight workings, like really really rarely. I don't like it much. I'd rather have seen a reworked BR 155 or 143, or a BR 140 based on the BR 110.
• Apperantly no freight shunting layers. This feels like a waste of the BR 365 coming with Niddertalbahn.
• BR 628s on ~50 services. This is a really nice addition, adds to the variety a lot, good to see the release of Mainz-Koblenz and Niddertalbahn have been well lined up.
• No PIS, as it isn't satisfactory in it's current state. A dissapointment, but an understandable decision, I hope it comes at a later point.
• ICE 1 layers. Kind of dislike this quite a lot. The ICE 1 in game is just too modern and immersion breaking for Mainz-Koblenz. It has a newer livery, a fully new interior (including modern display screens, unthinkable for someone in 1997) and somewhat different sounds. It's just wrong to me.
• No confirmation or denial about a potential BR 101 substitution. We'll have to wait and see for that one I guess.
• A seemingly decent timetable with about 250 playable services in the route itself (111 for the BR 103, 100 for the BR 110 and 39 for the n-Wagen cab car), with Niddertalbahn and the ICE adding 49 and 2 services respecitively. Seems about right, haven't calculated if that means IR services will be represented with IC stock, and also wouldn't know how to feel about it if it did.
• Screenshots. These seem relatively good looking, interested in the preview stream. I'll add some below.

I'll definetly be asking some questions and making some remarks on the roadmap and preview streams. I have mixed feelings about this, but will wait until the preview stream with my judgement. I might hold out on this one for a bit, even though I really want to play '90s content (luckily there's the very promising looking Niddertalbahn for this).

 

I agree, looks very good.
The 110 isnt the best choice for freight (thank god they didnt have the Idea to let the 103 do that), but a 110 with freight is better than no freight imo. Although a shame that no 363/365 Layer is included.

The timetable also seems good, especially with the 628 Layer from Niddertalbahn, and i am personally not too fussed about the 2 ICE Services.

PIS is a disappointment but understandable, given the criticism Inaccurate US PIS gets all the time, so DTG wanted to to a right or nothing, which turned out to be a nothing sadly. Hopefully well see future older German routes which add the older pis technique.

 

Also, for everyone in this thread, I asked some questions in the preview steam Q&A thread, currently these are the following:

• Why was it chosen to do only one livery for every item of rolling stock? Both the BR 110 and BR 103 could be seen in two or more different liveries during this era, leading to a lot more variety than we'll see in-game. It would have been nice to see more variety with for example an orient red BR 103 and a beige/blue and cobalt blue BR 110. The livery designer sadly just doesn't quite allow the quality and detail of official liveries.
• (This might change depending on roadmap info) what loco is going to make use of the included freight wagons? The BR 110 would surely be somewhat unprotoypical right? How is freight represented? Why was the BR 110 put on freight services? It doesn't really seem prototypical here. Wouldn't a dedicated freight engine (even a slightly reworked BR 155 or 143, but ideally a BR 140) been better and more prototypical?
• Why was it chosen to make the BR 103 with the skirt on the front? This looks better IMO, but is not that prototypical for 1997.
• Are the BR 103s logo plaques still on in livery designer? This would make livery creation for the BR 103 quite difficult.
• Will there be BR 101 layers? According to online sources (Datenbank Fernverkehr) it could already be seen in some numbers on this route on IC services, especially in the latter part of 1997 (which is the year this route is set if I'm not mistaken).
• Why was the BR 401 ICE 1 added in as a layer? The version of it we have is wayyyy too modern for 1997, having the newest livery (which is quite a bit off from what would be seen in 1997) and vastly changed interiors, including info screens that would be very anachronistic for 1997.
• Is there AI traffic on the other bank of the Rhein, which is quite visible in some locations?
• Are InterRegio services represented and how? No correct coaches are available for it, but it would leave a hole in the timetable. What decision has been taken on this matter and why?
• Does the BR 110 have the ability to pull at least a few IC services aswell? It wasn't an unthinkable substitution at the time.
• What length do the IC consists have? ICs were often quite long in this era, with 11 coaches being standard, but up to 14 coaches (which could mean up to 560 tonnes of coaches) were common when demand was high during weekends. It would be nice to see some of these longer more challenging consits aswell.
• (probably no answer on this, but) is a DLC with the BR 120, a freight engine and/or InterRegio coaches planned or at least being considered?
• What's the timetable like? Can we expect a lot of traffic and variety? How is AI traffic represented? Are there special runs like empty stock hauls or light locos? Would you say the timetable for this route is on par with previous German timetables like DRA, the updated HBK and BRO?

I think that covers most of the things discussed in this thread (even though some of the questions do hint at my personal opinions admittedly). Let me know if I've missed anything you want to see added to the list (which might be useful because it's the first point, meaning visibility and a clearly structured list for DTG), or just ask your own questions in the thread.

 

I also really like how LFR adds AI services to the certain parts of niddertalbahn. I suppose this will greatly increase the immersion and is one of the key reasons why I'll be getting both routes. Also because LFR will be a second route to drive the br628 on and I am simply a fan of DB InterCity, whatever era it may be.

 

Okay the pictures of this route looks very promising! and i love 103 in game and the look of it! I can not wait to see the preview. And yes there are some thing that not 100% correct is but there is always a group of users that's never happy with the results. But for me the feeling in pictures is awsome. For unkown people... Mainz Hbf is builded in game in the old version so the route looks decent and in the good year. It's not like Bremen Oldenburg! So what i have seen sofar 9/10! And the missing PIS is a good choice. I would be very strange to see a digital version on this route.