Because M3 is a separate DLC. Changes/updates also need to be introduced in the data package separately from LIRR (of which M7 is an integral part). The only possible explanation for this is that the M3 DLC will remain available for sale, while LIRR will be retired and replaced with the 2.0 one! Like WSR, SEHS etc.
I mean, I assume when the new LIRR route gets released. It's timetable would support the M3 as a layer/new services on the route. I believe the new LIRR is supposed to ship with the M7s and M9s. There is no need to update the M7 for the old LIRR if the route a probably gonna be retired.
Totally forgot the M3 was separated from the route itself. But even with SEHS, the class 465 which was originally sold as a separate DLC was included for free with the updated route.
But I still wonder why the changes made to the M3 were published so early and so silently… So eager for this months roadmap.
Just under two days left and we'll probably find out almost everything about the contents on the roadmap!
These route release patches get scheduled a looong time in advance. They had clearly settled on a release date for the DLC before licensing issues stopped everything because the trophies for the route already showed up on PlayStation. They likely published the release patch/update for the route anyways, just without releasing the actual route lol. That includes the addition of TSW4 features to the M3 DLC.
None for PS Players. I am sorry I am not buying this again at full price. The initial route is a complete mess and its a disgrace the way its been abandoned for another full price cash grab. Normally supportive of DTG but this a terrible practice
To be fair, the Chatham Main Line to Dover and Ramsgate route for TS was full price even if you owned the original Chatham Main Line or the Medway Valley Version (which ironically the new version doesn't include), but that still doesn't justify it. The discount really should be 50% if not more, 10% is a piss take.
They got to fund development somehow. The m9 is brand new and everything's been updated so it's very different from the original route. You're basically paying for the brand new train and licensing. Keep in mind none of the remasters in tsw didn't include new rolling stock.
Yes, I like that, too. Even with enhanced functionality. But again only as one scenerio. Would have preferred if that could be a complete game mode. "In the UK Glossop Line route Add-on, players could utilise a ‘Guard Mode’ for the first time in the On Guard Scenario. For LIRR Commuter, we’ve brought this alternative style of gameplay to another Scenario: Double Duty. In this Scenario, the passengers will have randomized seats and tickets, giving it a new level of replayability not seen in Glossop Line. As the conductor, you’ll need to ensure passengers have the correct ticket for their journey and give the appropriate response. On top of that there'll also be some yard work to do assisting the engineer in preparing the train."
So safety systems permanently on, shame we won't get a proper tutorial for them and how about the different speed markers? It's not a very immersive experience when DTG have the stepped at 30mph but the in cab signalling is at 45mph!
I’m hoping for some major scenery improvements to the existing route but that shot of East NY station gives the impression nothings really changed
Sorry, but we already paid for the development once. The fact that the original delivered wrongly implemented systems that they are only now fixing is not an excuse, rather a problem. Release the fixed signalling and systems to everybody for free and charge €15 for new train and new branches, and I am all in.
It will be a bland update, with a new train and some fixes (hopefully), as well as updating to current TSW standards.
I had narrowed down on what route I was getting between the SemmeringBahn and the LIRR. With the reveal of the LIRR, I’m leaning towards the SemmeringBahn. The lack of actually extension of the LIRR is what’s killing it for me.
I wonder if this was the licensing hold up. Maybe the MTA has required that ACSES and ATC be always on to prevent anyone from driving “their” trains in a reckless manner in the game?
So what happens to the old route? You want me to buy it twice? WTH? Its unbelievable. You buy the original and the add on and then you have to buy this with no discount. Truly appalling.
Putting the pieces together, MTA wanted the safety systems always-on, and door controls and certain circuit breakers disabled/removed, presumably to deter IRL hijacking attempts, which seems silly to me, but they're the license-holder so nothing to be done about it as far as i can see.
I don't know LIRR more than being a passenger few times, but I understand that without the cab signalling you really don't have a lot of idea what is going on, as there is not a lot of trackside signals for speeds and such, so it may be on by default simply to make it somewhat playable without relying on HUD only.
I really don’t know how to feel about this now that the official confirmation is out. On the one hand, LIRR is long overdue for a facelift. As the busiest commuter rail system in the US, it deserved way better than what was represented in the game. On the other, we won’t be getting GCM as the route is set in 2021. We also won’t be getting any diesel/dual mode power, only EMUs again. I think to me it will come down to how well the route is updated. I can’t see myself paying $40 to play essentially the same route as the original LIRR with an M9, but if the route itself has been significantly improved and brought up to modern times (third track on the mainline, removal of grade crossings, updated stations, stopping patterns, service times, etc) than maybe I would consider purchasing it. I really feel some sort of discount should have been in place for people who own LIRR 1.0 on all platforms, and probably more than 10%. I know DTG has to pay for development, but unless the route has been entirely rebuilt with no reused assets, than development was also easier and less costly for this route than a new route from scratch.
so. even with loyalty discount and pre order discount you will pay 28 euro's for a new MU and a 14 km bit of track. because the rest you already paid 30 euro's for the route and another 14 for the second MU. I was pretty interested in this but that's a lot of money for what you get. If no previous addons are needed does that mean you will have two routes, one route with a free update or if you don't buy the route again for the small branch, you will just keep the TSW2 standard route?
you are right. Although DTG can't really be blamed for how sony and microsoft handle sales, and how steam does. they are to blame for the initial base price though. I think just like FCL for me this will become a "could be fun on a large sale" route.
after the great releases of Salzburg - Rosenheim, the upcoming Semmeringbahn, Well recieved Goblin line, and a few others recently. I hope there's more to announce than this. because if this is the amazing thing that would make everyone happy as the roadmap would. I am afraid for the future. It went so well. then came FCL and LIRR2.0. almost wanna call it LIRR 1.2 since all "simulation" to set up the train has been removed due to licensing issues and request from the operator. so a small added branch. TOD4 and a new EMU. Some more timetable services. a lot of removed functions, and a 35 euro price tag.
There was me naively thinking that if we already owned LIRR we’d at least get the upgraded version sans the new train and branch.
New train that could've just been a loco dlc basically. Also If DTG really needed recoup development costs, then why was SEHS extended released as a free update for existing owners. Look I know that you like to defend DTG on everything, but they could've offered this route at a discount for those that previously owned the route or not charged $40 for a route that was already in the game to begin with. I'm not buying the excuse that they had to charge $40 for this especially that now we are getting less features with the removal of some aspects of the train
Sehs was also locked behind tsw3 so it technically wasn't free. So was all the other remasters. It might have been a free port, but you still had to buy the new game. Dtg can't really control what features get left out or not since that depends on the licensing conditions itself
Yes but tsw 3 was also on gamepass making it a free update to some degree. DTG can control how much they charge for routes though so again your arguments don't hold much weight no matter how many times you try to defend them. They didn't have to charge $40 for this
They could've done the same thing they did on Boston-Providence, where the ATC and ACSES display units are always active, but there's no need to acknowledge anything and no penalty brakes. So it is extremely likely that this is due to licensing.
It's funny how when some us complained about the launch discount for Feather River Canyon Enhanced for TSC, we were told we should be grateful for it. Glad to see the opposite for the new LIRR route for TSW.
From the write up, this looks an excellent add on to the original LIRR route. Was the original £24.99 so as this is an add on the price is a bit steep. £29.99 for those on Xbox. £23.99 for steam buying providing you pre-order. l play on both formats xbox and steam so £53.98 is out of the question. Don’t mind paying that for a route that has been lovingly and accurately recreated. If the route is true to life, it will be a no brainier.
This. Right on the money. Given Dovetails track record of reusing old scenery, (especially US content) I can imagine that most of the route still looks the exact same as the TSW2 version with some distant scenery updates. Not very exited for this route at all. Dovetail better do a damn good job showcasing this route to make me a considered customer.
If I'm not mistaken there were also some scenery changes (raising the platform height is one I'm aware of) to IOW for the 2022 version as well as a new train which may have played a factor.
