Upcoming Release Lirr Commuter: New York - Long Beach, Hempstead & Hicksville

Just a thought is it possible updating the M3 and tie it into LIRR 2.0? That way it can work better with the newer safety systems and the TOD4 lighting.

 

The m3 is no longer tied to lirr 1.0

 

Yeah I just realized but it could still use updating

 

The Metro North Harlem Line is not effected by this because they said this is a one off for the dlc

 

It's nothing dtg can do about it unfortunately. That's just what mta required otherwise the route wouldn't exist at all

 

Well I'd prefer it to not exist than to ruin existing rolling stock. "Give me liberty or give me death."

 

Should wait for the livestream before lighting the torches and manning the pitchforks.
Let's remember that Fife Circle. Was highly anticipated and day one purchase for most until that day they previewed it. This could be the opposite for those scoffing at the full cost.
Make an informed decision based on what you see over and above 6 screenshots given to date.

This place does make me smile.

 

After thinking about it, I've reconsidered and am okay with paying full price for LIRR 2.0. Why? Because I realized I bought TSW2020 and its routes bundled as part of a sale way back in the day, meaning I practically paid less than four bucks for LIRR 1.0. It's also one of my most-played routes, so I've got enough mileage out of the original.

 

All depends on the signals and timetable. Hopefully cactusjoe' involvement is a good sign.

 

Can't please everyone after all. If it got dropped, then you get the moaners who say "Dtg abandoned US players and there is zero future in the US." It gets released and you get the players who are unhappy there is less functionality

 

Will there be freight stuff in the yards and the industries. Without that, it will look empty like at NTJ.

Will there be Amtrak and NJT AI stuff at Penn Station and Sunnyside Yard.

 

Like Isle of Wight and Isle of Wight 2022?

 

I am really bemused by the sense of entitlement which is convinced that free stuff is its right and desert.
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I do have some concerns, but it has nothing to with pricing or wish-list branches. Rather:

• Will NY Penn be facelifted at all, both graphically and wrt to clipping problems?
• Will AI NJT and Amtrak traffic layer in, at least for those who own NY-Trenton?
• Will we actually get the Manhattan skyline this time?
• Will Sunnyside Yard be populated with stationary rolling stock, and will the new route keep the static "dummy" Amfleet coaches?

 

This is from the article released yesterday:

• UPDATED Reworking of Sunnyside Yard

 

Sunnyside isn't Penn Station

 

Sorry! Miss read on my part.

 

Could we see this eventually fixed for New York - Trenton?

 

I feel for people who have the Long Island railroad originally should get this upgrade for free
It’s not fair to people who bought this originally, and have to pay for it again, which by the looks of it is the same price of another Route and by the sounds of it there’s really no upgrades is just an expansion. It’s the same old route with some updates, don’t get me wrong. I’m excited that it’s expanded but why should I have to pay for an update that I have own since the the release back in 2020
obviously for the people who haven’t played, the original, should have to pay full price

 

Because it's not the same route they added the long beach branch which wasn't in version 1 the extra EMU M9 made it impossible for it to be a free update if anything a better loyalty discount on all platforms if you owned the original route would have been fine like 40% off

 

There's been major upgrades and overhauls in terms of signaling, a full tsw4 feature set, updated scenery on the original track, a brand new busier timetable, updated sounds and other things.

 

I was thinking about it, the 1st TSW I bought was TSW2020 and I paid $29.99. It came with GWE, NTP, MSB, and LIRR.
So technically I paid very little for it to begin with or I could consider it the free route.

I won't mind paying for the new version.

 

Wow. Thank you for explaining it to me like I'm five. Yes or no would've been nice.

 

Correct and they should have given it for free if they own the original route just like Southeast high speed tsw 2 to tsw 3. At the same time they could have gone third track Floral Park Hicksville showing it on what it looked like around September 2022. Otherwise it looks like 2019 with the current LIRR timetable

 

Now there will be an old in tsw4 and the "brand new" one in tsw4...

 

I said that earlier. There’s a few snake oil salesmen in here.

I mean they talk like the old route is not compatible in tsw4 and as if dtg won’t reuse the route as a foundation. It’s quite incredible.

 

So how can I imagine the situation to be?

The Licensor told you to turn the safety systems to be active by default, and even insisted on it to give you the licenses. But why? How it is so crucial important to them whether players of a video game drive with safety systems or not?

Did they really think it is not okay for their brand or safe enough, if players rush through the network without it and/or upload videos doing that?

But players still can deactivate the systems to do so, if they want. If it would be completely forbidden by them, they had mandated that safety systems can't be turned off.

I don't know about anyone else but this seems to be a pretty weird, trivial (and dependent upon the POV, even funny) circumstance, of all possible reasons why a cooperation with a partner company potentially could fail.

 

They don’t care about how you play the game, they care about how the game shows you where the switches are to isolate the safety systems on the train in real life. Some people took one of these trains for a joyride and if that were to happen again, the safety systems being on could be the difference between a crime and a disaster. Now the game doesn’t have the switches in the train so it can’t teach you how to disable the systems on a real train.

 

Ah, that makes sense now. Of course. But I also wasn't aware of the premise that you can't turn them off at all here and that they aren't available in the train. Knowing that before had prevented me asking.

 

Is it possible with this requirement to do still do some like apocalyptical gameplay running the units on full speed end to end of the route, either in Free Roam or Scenerio Planner? Or does this system prevent the players from doing that?

Yes, they were probably aware of that because of the feedback from LIRR 1.0. But probably it could be clever to not explicitly mentioning security gaps and concerns with Train Sim World in cooperation with future partners I guess.

 

I still don't buy the explanation that licensors are concerned about crashes when DTG hasn't removed crashes from the game.

 

I normally turn off the security device when I leave the driver's station. I turn on the security device again at the second driver's station. I never drive without a safety device. Thanks to this, I learned to use even the complex ATC system.

 

Crashing is in the fame but its like how tsc is with a coaches or fright rolling stock will come off the line. There are way to cliche the game to get passed red signals and people have done that (I don't now how)

 

It honestly doesn’t matter what we think. MTA required DTG to turn safety systems on by default. If DTG refused, there would be no LIRR 2.0. Whether you buy that explanation or not, it is what it is and that’s the end of it.

 

I don't get what your point is.

 

What about the stuff that it isn't known to the licensor at the moment of agreement? For example, they find out later a point of the game they disagree with and want to withdraw license. Isn't there a contractual obligation that they couldn't do that so easily to not harm the sales and with that your income as a partner?

In other words, what is preventing MTA to say we don't agree with certain aspect of the game anymore and withdraw license immediately. What is stopping them from doing that and hinder the potential income and payback of your very own work with the product?

Never thought crashes where so debated. I even thought about making a suggestion to not abandon the session after a failure or crash has happened (that is something for the BeamNG lovers amongst us), but I guess this isn't even worth asking for anymore now.

 

I'd say this is a fair common ground if they are okay with it. when you play the game like an actual simulation nothing is wrong and at the end of the day it's still a game. if you want to drive a train in real live go to a school or railroad company to learn that. I personally don't like the systems being removed because I like the challenge of finding the buttons and switches to set the train up. I for example can't wait for the expert BR 101. But if people with no master key can just steal or take MTA trains on a joyride then I get why it's removed although I'd say they need to look into better security too. Fictional liveries has no effect since the trains are still the same remake of the real thing. and even more extreme measures seems very bad. driving past a red is an immediate back to menu. and collisions are near impossible with safety systems. although it is a part of railroads that happens. I get why it's not really in the game. More extreme measures to me sounds like near removing shunting and coupling because you might hit something too hard... Crashing is more fun in derail valley anyways because of the better physics. Let TSW be the simulator it should be. for expert loco's I would like to see the process of passing a red by accident but that's up to the licensing company I'd say. For how MTA wants everything gone and just a box with a reverser and power/brake handle. I am really happy DB has the belief and willingness to allow expert loco's. in my opinion the expert 101 is a great tool to recruit new drivers for them.

 

I have a question. If LIRR 1.0 remains unchanged such as still being able to switch the safety systems on and off would it cause problems with LIRR in the future if MTA realizes those changes haven’t been applied?

Part of me thinks LIRR 1.0 should be removed so we don’t have two separate versions of the route but I know it would not be fair to a lot of people. I feel the need to keep it installed just to have layers for NYT instead of having the updated versions running on it.

 

Bottom line - vote with your wallet. If you don’t like the premise and situation, then don’t buy the route. If you’re okay with it, then buy the route.

All of the relevant facts have been disclosed by DTG, who have had to wrangle with MTA (notoriously difficult IN GENERAL) and their safety concerns regarding the use of their brand and their product. The beauty of these partnerships is that they allow DTG access to non-public areas and in-depth technical specs that allow DTG to create a near-to-life simulation. That’s one of the biggest market differentiators that sets DTG’s products apart from, say, the World of Subways franchise (the No. 7 comes mind).

Without the partnerships, as Matt indicated, DTG would be restricted from both the branding AND the access (the latter of which is infinitely more valuable).

If you don’t want to buy the route, don’t buy it. Play the M7 in OpenBVE and you can travel at 1000mph around a bend, smash into numerous parked trains, and get the requisite 100 clicks on your YouTube channel.

 

Precisely. Refreshing to see another rationale voice on here.

 

Bingo.

 

My point is that if crashes are an issue, why are they in the game at all instead of ending the game the moment you hit another train at too high a speed, with no crash simulation?

 

I can't but laugh at this. What do they care, what do they fear ? I'm genuinly interested to know why any licence holder sees it as unnegotiable to have the trains crash in TSW, with the current representation of that no less ! Have they ever looked at that ? And how goofy they twist and fly away or zoom into the void ? That's rediculous. I'd be very happy for any insight to understand the situation better.

 

These explanation are trashspeech. Leave&forget it or go to fanboy heaven and be superlenient.

 

It does. Arbitrary game-overs because something might go wrong would take away any real skill requirement. Not to mention that actual railroading and railroading strictly according to the rules are two very different things and strictly enforcing every rule by game-overs would actually hinder realism. In addition, it would likely exponentially increase frustration: Shunting in Germany at 26km/h instead of the allowed 25? Game over, an hour lost, try again.

 

I'm upset with the fact that, considering financial criteria, this is a completely new DLC and we can't take advantage of the hard-earned money I spent when I bought the original LIRR. Although it has many technical improvements, paying a fee just to add a new extension is very frustrating. I believe that the right thing to do would be to allow everyone who holds the Original LIRR to obtain a considerable 50% discount for free, or if it is unfeasible, for all platforms.