Lirr Commuter - Why Did They Make A New Route?

So. Someone from DTG says 2021, someone from DTG sets 2023. Lack of communication, or bad testing, or rush into release date at any cost, or even... laziness? But the fact that there are hundreds of similar cases in the game is, of course, my fault. And I have no right to express my opinion about such trivia.

 

None of which I said of course, but play the victim. However, in my opinion, using the world lazy is disingenuous and insulting, whatever issues there are with TSW, I don't believe they are down to laziness..

 

OK. AI glitched in timetable mode. I'm understand how difficult is testing all of the services. But some bugs are litterally afloat - you'll see them in any run. Why they aren't fixed before release? And why many of those bugs aren't fixed after years? What other word I can use except the word you don't like?

 

I wouldn't use the " L " word either. But would you allow for " careless " to describe minor bugs like date and spelling errors that drive some of us crazy.

 

Why so triggered by someone saying the word lazy?

 

He will just probably call your comment "careless" or "disingenuous"

 

Because its insulting. Laziness is the act of doing nothing because you can't be asked.

 

Does this make Rivet Games lazy by your definition

All jokes aside, I still don't see the point in getting so triggered because a individual has a opinion on a company as harsh as it may be. DTG are business at the end of the day and there will be those that will say things that you or I would won't agree with about the games we enjoy to play and may even use a harsh tone. I enjoy Gotham Knights for instance yet there are those who still bash the game despite me enjoying the game but I don't get triggered by some of the harsh tone

 

Besides the 25 complete end to end services that LIRR2 offers which by the way is by far the most out of any other route in the game,
LIRR2 offers another 18 services variation in the game for a total of roughly 43 different service patterns. Here is the list below:
Penn- Hicksville,
Penn- Hempstead
Penn-long beach
Penn- Hicksville north siding
Penn-Belmont
Penn -Jamaica
Long Beach-Atlantic
Long Beach -Jamaica
Long Beach -WSY
Jamaica-Hempstead
Jamaica-Atlantic
Jamaica-Belmont
Jamaica-LIC
Atlantic- Hempstead
Hicksville-Jamaica
Vanderbilt yard- Jamaica
Vanderbilt yard- Atlantic Terminal
Vanderbilt yard-Hempstead
WSY-Belmont
WSY- Hillside facility
WSY-Jamaica
WSY-Hicksville north siding
Valley stream sidings- Penn station
Hillside facility-Hicksville north siding
Hillside facility-Penn station
other service route variation:
Penn- Babylon (as far as Jamaica)
Penn-Babylon (as far as St Albans)
Penn-Babylon (as far as Lynbrook)
Penn- Huntington (as far as Hicksville)
Penn-Ronkonkoma (as far as Hicksville)
Penn- Ronkonkoma (as far as Jamaica)
Penn- Farmingdale (as far as Hicksville)
Penn- Far Rockaway as far as Valley Stream)
Hunterspoint- Ronkonkoma (as far as Hicksville)
Atlantic avenue- Babylon (as far as Lynbrook)
Atlantic avenue- Babylon (as far as Valley stream)
Atlantic-avenue- Huntington (as far as Hicksville)
Atlantic avenue- Ronkonkoma (as far as Hicksville)
Atlantic avenue- West Hempstead (as far as Jamaica)
Atlantic avenue- West Hempstead (as far as Valley stream)
Atlantic avenue- Far Rockaway (as far as Valley stream)
Jamaica- Huntington (as far as Hicksville)
Jamaica- West Hempstead (as far as Valley stream)
Jamaica- Far rockaway (as far as Valley Stream)
Enough service variation to keep us entertained for months to come. Not a linear route by any means.offers the most branches out of any other route in the game.

 

Nice Screenshot.

This makes me wish that Dovetail would've added a DE30 to the LIRR. The M9 is nice but the DE30-DM30 would've been so cool

 

Agree about the DE30 needs to be added in a future DLC, but The M9, thats my favorite EMU in the game.

 

There's having an opinion, and then insulting people by calling them lazy. If DTG, Rivet etc were truly lazy, then absolutely nothing would be done.

I very much doubt you wouldn't be upset if you read a comment on the internet calling you lazy, when those saying that have absolutely no idea what you do every day, especially if they don't know you.

 

I wouldn't care if some random person on the internet called me lazy nor would I get triggered because someone had a harsh criticism of a game that I enjoyed playing.

 

Honestly as someone who lives on the Long Island RR I personally don’t care about them add the third trac. The third track extension only gives you like 15 new playable services I just wished they show that work on the 3rd tracks had begun by at least removing some grade crossing but oh well.Im more annoyed by the fact that they did extend and finish the mainline to Huntington

 

Calling people lazy isn't criticising, its insulting the hard work they do.

 

Well take that one person you don't know and turn it into hundreds maybe even a thousand people questioning everything you're trying to do in your job and labeling you lazy, then have that thrown at you day after day, and see how long it doesn't bother you, it will wear you down....

 

Why would I care? Why should I care about what some random person online says? Honestly, I wouldn’t care and there really is no point in getting offended at what someone says online to be completely honest

 

But from your triggered responses you clearly do care.

DTG allocate a period of time to make each release, they do what they can do within that time, if we wanted them to spend twice as long on a route then they would need to charge us twice as much for that route. The fact they work to a defined time period doesn't make them lazy, it just means certain things aren't as perfect as they would be if they had unlimited time, it's up to us customers to decide whether that trade off is worth a purchase, but calling them lazy is, well, just lazy.

 

Yeah I agree, I wouldn't care either, but the fact is the world isn't filled with just people like us that don't care, it's filled with millions of people that will care about what's said about them, so showing some decency and consideration is always the smartest move and not just insulting them. Treat others how you would want others to treat you, it's not bloody rocket science is it.....

 

I don't have any say in the matter, I just think the use of the word lazy is insulting and is lazy in itself, it shows a lack of thought and the assumption that making content is easy. Matt himself has said he has trouble reading the forums himself at times.

Some should remember that just because they are sitting behind a keyboard and talking to pixels on a screen, that there are human beings the other end reading these pixels and might just be taking things personally.

I do think it is careless and of course people should bring up bugs and mistakes, I do myself but I hope I am careful of what I say and mindful of who is reading my comments, surely that isn't too much to expect. There are some on here who are almost gleeful when they see something they can pick up, and are strangely quiet about the good things about TSW, or maybe they don't think there are any good points to raise.

 

I agree with you, the word lazy is insulting, I think it should be trying to make things as easy as possible to cause less trouble and have more frequent releases.

 

Actually, I think at times DTG'S problem is that they are the opposite of lazy, and they set themself unrealistic goals, which then leads to poor expectation management.

Steam is a good example where it appears to have been abandoned without promised features, and it isn't the only example.

I think when we literally have devs working on passion projects in their spare time, the use of the word lazy comes over as lazy, ill informed, and, frankly, nasty.

There is always room for criticism, and I'm not beyond criticising myself when I believe it is warranted, but it needs to be constructive.

 

Those west countries. Soon you will ban all words that can offend yourself. So that no one can call you with word that you deserve.
In my side(I'm Ukrainian) we always say "lazy workers" for everyone who's doesn't finish their job well, but says their done. So I will still use word "lazy" for everyone who's dropped their product without completing it.

 

Surely you know that just because it is acceptable in your country doesn't make it acceptable anywhere else.

 

But then what is the point? It isn't about offence, it is about being effective.

If we insult, we will just be ignored, and they would be right to ignore us. If we point out areas where they need to do better in a constructive way, then we stand a chance of that being taken on board.

What ever you are used to saying is pretty irrelevant. When you have people putting their own free time into this game, they aren't, by definition, being lazy.

I've made a very successful career out of going into teams and companies that are failing and turning them around. I've never had a lazy employee who does work in their own time. What they usually need is honest feedback, something DTG do genuinely seem to be open to.

We all owe it to DTG to be a critical friend. We want the game to get better and better for our own enjoyment, and they want to sell more copies and make more money so it becomes more sustainable. So we should all try and be more constructive in my opinion.

 

I completely agree with what you say.

 

That's obvious. I'm not trying to hurt anyone mentally. I just want to say that every year you find more and more reasons to be offended by ordinary words that do not even addressed to you(not litterally you).

 

That's the thing though. You have to be careful what you say because the slightest thing can trigger somebody (although most do take that offence way over the top I'll admit). Unfortunately, it's the world we live in.

 

Saying someone is lazy is a judge of character that you dont even know is true. All these issues are down to money and time. Not developer laziness which you could never even prove. No need to ban words but please have more consideration for the developers

 

Lazy is not generally a word I choose to employ, though at times DTG do come across as a little laid back or lacking attention to detail. Their priorities can sometimes seem a little odd but as we aren’t party to how the business focus is structured internally and indeed that people might actually depend on hitting performance targets or release dates to keep their jobs, who are we to say?!

However when it comes to building routes I know from my own experience it can get very hard to keep looking at and working on the same thing day in, day out, week after week. That even applies if you are getting paid for doing the work (particularly if it’s on a royalty basis off eventual sales).