Route Maintalbahn - Feedback Thread

Discussion in 'Player Feedback' started by DTG-Chris, Nov 28, 2023.

  1. ApollonJustice

    ApollonJustice Well-Known Member

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    That worked! Thank you. I was able to finish that service.

    Nevertheless, this should be addressed quickly, because the game should alwasy be playable without such workarounds!
     
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  2. pasquiles

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    The scenery is a disaster. The brown/grey trees very bad defined and popup worst I have seen in TSW. It is not only that is not what do you expect of a route of TSW4, all routes of TSW3 are better, TSW2 as well, I played later RSN and this old route looks a lot better too.

    On top the latest route I had bought was Nieddertalbahn, difficult to compare…
     
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  3. SJAY_ONE

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    Hi. it is normal that decameter marks are missing from Obernburg-Elsenfeld to Miltenberg ?
     
  4. Bradley

    Bradley Well-Known Member

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    Was just coming to report this issue, glad someone’s got a workaround for it, shame this route is starting to suck even more
     
  5. PBrogaard

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    On the RB 88 (23380) I noticed that Bü 23.517 5220 Odenwaldstrasse between Wörth am Main and Erlingbach is not activated/closed.
     
  6. Pipe

    Pipe Well-Known Member

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    Is it just me or do we have trouble with Tier 2 completion of the Maintalbahn Mastery?
     
  7. CK95

    CK95 Well-Known Member

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    So I bought this route on the PSN sale along with some PSN points and paid £13 for it.

    I paid £13 too much.

    I would not have minded if the 642 actually subbed into Chemnitz as was advertised, however even that doesn’t seem to be working.

    My main issue with this one is the scenery - what on earth happened here & why did DTG release it in this state? It’s like they brainstormed how to do a polar opposite quality version of Niddertalbahn.

    I refuse to believe this route was developed for TSW4, or even 3. Unless it was a training exercise?

    Luckily whatever is going on with the trees (which frankly look so bad they even convinced sony there was a severe graphical issue) & straight up lying about where you could use the train, made it easy to convince Sony to refund this one.

    The worst train I’ve experienced in TSW is the BR 187.

    The worst route is Maintalbahn. So incredibly deplorable.
     
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  8. Rutgerski

    Rutgerski Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for that update. I keep debating whether or not to finally buy this route, but it's pretty clear it really is a total train wreck in its current state
     
  9. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    It's not a total train wreck imo. It's still playable and gets the job done so not broken. Good for what it is but not the best. I think there are others much worse but even those aren't disasters like people like to call them
     
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  10. ApollonJustice

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    It may have some flaws, but thats quite an exaggeration, sorry.
     
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  11. Mephrite

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    Something strange is happening. Now every time when I reach the first arch, my train derails. Even if I drive 55 km/h there (max allowed is 60 here). Restarting scenario doesn't help. In that conditions I'm unable to drive fast and ignore speed limits. :/
     
  12. CajonPass2022

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    Mephrite, I'm not sure of your platform, but I am a PS5 player for reference.

    I've also experienced random derailments on various services on Maintalbahn. I've always been able to workaround them by restarting the service from the beginning or restarting the entire game. I've never had a persistent derailment like you are having, so you may have to submit a bug report if restarting the game/PC/console doesn't fix it. :(
     
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  13. Mephrite

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    I'm playing on Steam - PC.

    Now, when I try to play this, my train just at start rollover and it's over. You must be joking DTG...

     
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  14. raretrack

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    I've just opened this on Steam/PC with the 642 and it works fine. Which indicates it could be more to do with your instance than with DTG.

    Have you tried verifying your Steam files, and uninstalled any mods you have?
     
  15. Mephrite

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    raretrack - it's DTG game not mine. I have no mods, all files are originally TSW, so there is no need of verification.

    Probably these derailments behavior game saved somewhere, but I expect from DTG for fixing this. Beside mentioned above service...
     
  16. Pipe

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    Oh boy, just had a derailment out of the blue with a BR 363 freight service leaving Aschaffenburg Hbf for the port Yard. No overspeed, no brakes locked, no mechanical switches to be aligned. After restarting the service, the BR 363 showed some really weird behavior: accelerating like a rocket into one direction as soon as I released the brakes. Thing is .... with reverser in neutral and throttle at idle.

    Are we back to this poorly written derailment soap opera?
     
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  17. Spikee1975

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    Probably been reported before, but I don't want to read through the whole thread.

    The speed limits / signals are misplaced, got a Vr2 for an upcoming 50 km/h speed reduction which should be effective at the following signal but it's not. Seeing the ETA, you must ignore the signals which is... bad.

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    BR 628 VRot

    - Indicator dimmer has no effect

    - Magnetic brake works but indicator is not wired to it

    - Also the PZB restrictive mode indicators do not flash like they should after a station stop during a 500Hz influence.

    16 years in the trainsim business and PZB still seems a mystery for DTG. Stuff that freeware sims got right ages ago.
     
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  18. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if this has been mentioned before..
    I am really happy about the Austrian content in TSW. But why ÖBB signalling in Northern Bavaria?
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  19. hiromaru

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    PC Johnny mode
    Sweet Train
    RE87
    4397 train
    Forced to end due to a large earthquake shortly after starting

    Timetable mode Same train operation possible
     
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  20. Spikee1975

    Spikee1975 Well-Known Member

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    Johnny mode - loving that :D
     
  21. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    They seemed to have forgotten the country that line is in. the GSM-R said it's in GSM-R-A last time I played too. Should really be changed to germany or if GSM-R screens are gonna have actual text. let us change the country code then like we have with certain electrical locomotives. We are getting cross border traffic and free roam now so it would be a logical addition. just like Ebula and announcements I'd say we're 1 to 3 years away from a sorta working core of GSM-R and the aforementioned. but changing the text would be enough for the time being.
     
  22. Winzarten

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    That signal looks correct to me. The 50 limit starts before the next signal, so it would be too late for the next signal to have the 50 reduction. The issue is the timetable time, where the 50 reduction on signal is not taken into account when timetable is created, and thus you end up running late.

    Also keep in mind that the hud only showns track speed reduction, not signal speed reductions reduction.
     
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  23. Spikee1975

    Spikee1975 Well-Known Member

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    It's not an issue for me, as I drive by signals not HUD anyway, and if I'm late, then I'm late, no big deal. As you correctly said, the timetable expects players to stick to the HUD speeds - so the whole AP system enforces bad driving.
     
  24. D@rkP$ychO

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    Does anybody know how to get this achievement? I collected everything, completed every training and szenario.
     

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  25. ben#6357

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    There definitely needs to be an update that improves the acceleration of the BR 642 (Siemens Desiro) diesel multiple unit.

    This is so bad that timetables can never be adhered to.
    Up to 40 km/h the train accelerates very well, but above 40 km/h it gets worse and worse, usually only 1 km/h in 30 seconds.

    This never corresponds to reality!There definitely needs to be an update that improves the acceleration of the BR 642 (Siemens Desiro) diesel multiple unit.

    This is so bad that timetables can never be adhered to.
    Up to 40 km/h the train accelerates very well, but above 40 km/h it gets worse and worse, usually only 1 km/h in 30 seconds.

    This never corresponds to reality!
     
  26. meridian#2659

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    Sounds your "federspeicher" is applied on either both or at least 1 unit
     
  27. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    that's a mistake I made a few times too
     
  28. ben#6357

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    I thought so too, but the "Federspeicher"-brake is released in all units.
    No other brake is active either.
    The acceleration is very fast up to around 40-50 km/h, after which it gradually decreases.
    The magnetic brake is switched off.
    If the "Federspeicher"-brake is applied, the train stops completely.
     
  29. D@rkP$ychO

    D@rkP$ychO New Member

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    Even after the update,
    Service 44882
    DB BR 363 service EZK (54874) and
    RE 87 (23390) Wertheim to Aschaffenburg Hbf

    still not playable.

    Achievement "Main: Alle Aufgaben sind Main" still not unlocking.
     
  30. ben#6357

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    If you drive the BR 642 on other routes:

    From an incline of 1.5% the train no longer accelerates at all!
     
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  31. addry#6825

    addry#6825 Well-Known Member

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    I’m pretty sure there was road traffic across the bridges and at the side of Aschaffensburg sud.

    Now there’s only traffic on the station side not on the bypass opposite
     
  32. dxltagxmma

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    Still waiting for the 642 acceleration & uncoupling fix.......
     
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  33. Xander1986

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    Yeah but it will not speed up the progress i guess.... We have to wait until a later date ;)
     
  34. erg73

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    Sit and wait.
    Unfortunately, support for the new routes has been almost non-existent for a few months now.
     
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  35. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    if it ever comes I hope to see the GSMR go to germany. unless the austrian desiro classic becomes a thing soon. I see no reason why that one letter change can't be put in the next core patch.
     
  36. Subway#2400

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    That wouldn't be surprising if it's at high speed (above around 80 to 90 km/h) with its power being less than 8 kW/t. It's a diesel train with only a moderate power, it's not meant to be quick everywhere everytime. The hydraulic transmission ensures a quick starting acceleration but it quickly decreases, as per reality.
     
  37. ben#6357

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    I would understand this from 80 or 90 km/h.

    But the way it is now, it's not realistic. In reality, the acceleration in this series is significantly better.
     
  38. LIRRGuy

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    Damn.... Still no fixes for Maintalbahn.... Not surprised
     
  39. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    There was an update a few weeks ago. Dtg also made a statement a few months ago in a roadmap about how they are scaling back on patch frequency so they can have bigger and substantial updates rather than tiny frequent ones unless it's game breaking which takes priority
     
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  40. ben#6357

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    There is a small problem with the audio on the BR642 train:
    - You can hardly hear the engine noise in the driver's cab or in the passenger compartment, which is not correct.
    - Normally these should be louder.

    Additionally, there is the following problem:
    - The engine will continue to run for a while if you have set the combination lever to 0.
    - It continues to “howl” for up to 10 seconds.
     
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  41. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    there's also a wrong country on the GSM-R. apparently after they changed from only german routes to both austria and germany. they reused the GSM-R filler panel and made it from germany to austria. meaning that german train driving in germany on a german route has an austrian GSM-R. I've mentioned this about 5 times already. suppose it will never be fixed.
     
  42. reroluebeck#4712

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    Bought the Maintalbahn a while ago so i can give my Honest feedback:

    i wanna Split this To Pro and Contra

    Pro:
    You get the DB 642 Diesel Train
    You get a Second Aschaffenburg HBF
    You have a fully Diesel Line
    You get Layers for the 612, G6, V60, BR 185

    Contra:
    The Scenery Looks Very bad (Its just the Basic scenery in the Scenery Library of DTG)
    Many Bugs And Visual Mistakes with the BR 642
    Aschaffenburg HBF just Copy and pasted out of Main Spessart Bahn
    Most of the Display stuff on the 642 Doesnt Work
    PZB Bugs
    Bad Sounddesign of the 642
    Wrong or Misplaced Signals
    Problems with 642 in double traction (Doors wont Open, Engine in Second unit wont Start/Stop, Brakes wont Release,...)

    For This Price i would Definetly Not Recommend this Route. If the Route was Priced at 24 or 25$ that would be Okay for me but for 35$ you can Get something Better (or eat Ice cream in Public).
     
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  43. MJCKP

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    Some thoughts:
    • + I like that it is a diesel route and hope we get more of them.
    • + I like that some of the timetable services include refuelling, and the Running on Vapors scenario involves fuel, it makes it more varied and interesting
    • + I like that the BR642 has a selectable PIS, I prefer it to ones that we can't change.
    • + I look forward to using the BR218 on Maintalbahn when it releases.
    • - It should have been a paid route extension to Main Spessart Bahn along with a remaster, rather than a separate route.
    • - Scenery could be better in some places.
    Some bugs I found:
    • After setting the PIS manually it likes to reset itself sometimes, for example if changing camera views.
    • The interior PIS screen sometimes doesn't display anything until you walk closer to it.
    • A lot of keybinds don't work with the BR642, for example engine on/off, passenger lighting on/off, etc.
    • It can't couple to any other German multiple unit, even though it has the same Scharfenberg coupler.
    • It can't be uncoupled.
    • The turntable at the docks is bugged, even though it was fine in Main Spessart Bahn.
     
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  44. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Msb and maintalbahn are set in different years I think so a lot changed about the route itself.
     
  45. kosti.nuuja

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    There are so many temporary speed restrictions in the service mode that you simply can't reach any station on time. Furthermore, the PZB can restrict the max speed to 45 km/h for quite long time even though all signals are green and the line speed is above 100km/h. This happens often after passing a green signal that has been red when approaching it. This also slows journey down remarkably. The aceleration of the trains is not very fast either. This makes service mode quite frustarting. (Maybe I should not be perfectionist and take this hobby that seriously...)
     
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  46. ben#6357

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    I have this problem too. It has also been written many that the acceleration isn't realistic. This is definitely higher. But DTG hasn't responded to the known problems.

    Another problem that was known from the start is that you can stop the active PZB-forced braking by operating the combination lever. That shouldn't be the case either.
     
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    You are allowed to release from restriction, if yellow 1000Hz light is off and you aren´t expecting further restrictions during next 550 meters.
    https://www-tf--ausbildung-de.trans...l=auto&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
     
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  48. medicwarrior#4752

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    Found another service with the Klingenberg red signal bug
    RB88 23314 Miltenberg down the valley to Aschaffenburg.
    Looking at this, it seems you can only cheat past by speeding....what a joke
     
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    PS5

    At Aschafenburg Depot, there is a collision at Double unit BR 612. I discovered it there after 10:15 a.m. and then sometimes after 4:30 p.m. and so on.

    IMG_5957.jpeg IMG_5956.jpeg
     
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  50. Shaun123

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    This is a route, which I’m glad I got in a sale, but it’s actually a present surprise. Nicely German diesel branchline, something a bit different for TSW. Scenery really nice in places, especially Miltenberg.

    Are there still a few speed limit/PZB issues though? I was looking at the HUD vs the signals and noticed some discrepancies, I always drive to the signal speeds but I seems the timetable doesn’t allow for that!
     

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