Expansion Master Suggestion For Route Mergers.

I know the title would've already explained it but this thread is just a master suggestion on how DTG can emerge routes like LC and ECW together. So feel free to suggest your ideas and let's hope this solves DTG problem of not knowing how they want to merge routes.

 

As of now (31/12/2022) there are only 3 pairs of routes that can get merged: ECW and LC, The dresden routes and The two Rhur routes.

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...rg-the-second-wind-for-msb.38910/#post-540874

 

• ECW and London Commuter can easily merge.
• Southeastern and London Commuter can merge maybe with a branch to London Bridge as well.
• Cathcart Circle and Edinburgh to Glasgow can merge but with an Extension along the Shotts Line.
• GWR & WCL can merge together maybe with a class 158 too?

 

See my suggestion. Most would require extensions though.

 

My thoughts on mergers is I want them to happen but will DTG do it, not likely

But if they wanted to merge routes for once, there would be conditions for them:

They include:
Both routes being in the same time period
Gaps in Route A's timetable to fit Route B's timetable in
Layers from Route A need to be on Route B or vice-versa
If Route A is a TSW3 route and Route B is a TSW2 route, the TSW2 route would need upgrading to TSW3 standards

But that's my verdict on them

 

Ideas for mergers:

ECW & LC CAN merge via Lewes-Wivelsfield
RRO & RSN CAN merge at Hagen
DRA & DCZ CAN'T merge due to time period sadly
SKW & MSB was the basis of my last condition but they CAN merge as long as DTG build the link line between SKW and Lohr Bf
GWE & LC COULD merge but would require the North Downs Line to break the gap so that's unlikely

 

ECW & LC - agree
SEHS & LC - disagree - Chatham Mainline and/or the Ashford-Maidstone-Swanley line would link those two up
CCL and E-G - disagree - CCL serves Central, E-G would serve Queen Street, the Shotts Line would come as a separate route to both CCL and E-G
GWE & WCL - strongly disagree - Remember, GWE stops at Reading and WCL starts at St Austell, explain how you are linking those two without a different DLC (B&HL or GWML through Bristol TM & Taunton and onto the Riviera Line to Plymouth then the Cornish Mainline to St Austell)

Not bad ideas though

 

Some work is already underway on the SKW&MSB connection. Nothing has been announced yet, but the railway goes all the way to Lohr HBF station.

 

I didn't know that, wow, that's awesome for ICE 1 enthusiasts, seeing an ICE on MSB on a service from Wurzburg-Aschaffenburg, yes please

 

Sorry. Most of my ideas would require Looooonnnngggggg extensions. I only put Edinburgh to Glasgow Shotts extension in so Scotland could have some sort of link up. I know the Shotts line serves Central. It was just so Waverly looked a bit more busy really. Same with Central.

 

It still counts as an idea for a route to be merged if it would require a short or long (if justifiable) extension to allow for the timetable to work

 

Are you forgetting your awesome Carstairs suggestion

 

Very true. Thank you!
That would be a whole new route I suppose. I just thought Shotts line would better because that route could have class 380's and class 385's.

 

So would the Carstairs line though

 

at this point i think they should just extend dartford all the way up to London Bridge or Charing Cross it'll be better to have more london stations in SEHS. And i think They Should Merge London To Brighton With The East Coast Way And Extend East Coast Way To Ashford Or Hastings. London To Brighton With East Coast way would get more people playing. and Extending London To Brighton To london Bridge Would Be Good. Services From London Bridge For Example:

London Bridge: Eastbourne.
London Bridge: Hastings

Gatwick Express And Southern would get more services if both routes were extended and merged.

i know that would make the route memory much bigger and longer but its a cool idear for the future.

i hope this can be possible in the future.

possible extended East Coast way and Extending London Brighton And Merging them would make it number 1 most biggest Uk Route out there. prob more bigger ones but the biggest uk route in train sim. anyway.


hope its possible







have a nice day.

 

"The entire UK rail system"
That covers that one...

You could make an argument for "extending" just about everywhere (personally I think Brighton to Wick would be achievable if people put the effort in) but back in the real world...

BML - ECW would mean an additional few miles of track and a whole new timetable only applicable to those who have both DLC. DTG may also need to rewrite how timetables work to allow for this.
SEHS - BML isn't an extension... the Chatham Mainline has four principal routes that join up between Rochester and Victoria so this would be an entire route or even multiple DLCs. Again the timetable system would have to be rewritten to allow for those who have partial DLC sets up to full DLC sets

Not sure why London Bridge was brought into this by someone above, because the routes between Dartford and the London termini (Charring Cross, Cannon Street, Blackfriars & Victoria) are all sorts of complex so I would say you'd need to DLCs to do it justice between DFD and VIC).

To my way of thinking the biggest thing that's holding mergers back is the timetable issue, based on DTG correctly mapping / geolocating the map tiles so they could flow from one DLC to another (this was an issue back in the day on TSC where (for instance) Cardiff Central was in four different locations in various DLC)

 

I would like very much to see mergers. This should really be the next big project for DTG. If it can be made to work it would feel like one complete game rather than each dlc feeling like a separate game. This should be especially true now that we have more third party developers bringing content to the title.

 

i agree with the top 2
ECW And London Commuter would merge ez. wich i agree with.
Southeastern And London Commuter would not be able to merge. it would only be playable around London Bridge, East Croydon And Redhill because of them only stopping at 3 stations would make the southeastern part of it abit pointless. so i disagree i would agree with extending Dartford To London Bridge but that may never happen. so ya.
Cathcart Circle And Edinburgh to Glasgow i strongly agree with. More Scotrail trains would be nice.
Great Western Railway And WCL I Do Not Agree with i would agree with London Paddington To Oxford Or Hereford Would Be Nice i would agree with that but not to West Cornwall Local. that would mean alot of building on that route. so i disagree with that.


so ya. hope the ones i agreed with will happen they sound like very good idear's there. so ya.

 

it does not have to be a DLC. it would have to be a very expensive DLC. To Include it with it. not lots of DLC's making the route one.

just saying it would be nice to have a longer extension on the southeastern route cuz at my point of view. extending it to Dartford was a little pointless a more longer route would of been nice.

what southeastern highspeed needs is a DC London Route Could be to Victoria Charing X Or Blackfriars.

its not really fair for the people who want to drive for example a Class 375 to like Victoria From Dover P Or Ramsgate and it only goes to Rochester. i guess that would be coming on day in tsw3 or even in tsw4 idk. but yeah. hope you get my point.

 

Then that's not an extension... Same as SEHS on TSW3 isn't an extension

Then make a suggestion as to where they could add or merge DLC to SEHS to make it what you want... But that's not what this post is saying (to me). Extensions shouldn't be different versions of the same DLC but longer, else we'd end up in a never ending spiral of inflated DLC with little new or interesting (and DLC costing £100s).
Make the game work such that two adjoining DLC can be driven directly from one to the other with auto-generated timetables would be a better solution (to me)

Maybe at some point they will make a line through Dover (not sure why they would as very little happens at this station in the 2020s and they'd be better making it back when boat trains were a thing) and then you could drive what you want to drive

 

There are regular services on SEHS to London Vic

 

From Rochester yes, from HS1 and Gravesend no. There are from Dartford
But we've had loads of suggestions of the Chatham Mainline and that wouldn't be "an extension" that'd be a whole DLC

 

My proposal requires a few map extensions, but I think it's doable, just as much as the other proposals in this thread.

Fernverkehr-fur-deutschland by yardem posted Dec 31, 2022 at 3:41 PM

 

Which routes to merge isn’t what’s stopping routes being merged. There is so much to think about. Has anyone even considered that merged routes may need a new interface to select services just because of the sheer number of services that could result. The timetable for the 377 on London Commuter is already an unwieldy beast of a list, which is incredibly tiresome to scroll through on consoles, and the last thing that anyone needs is that list getting any bigger by merging other 377 services into it. That’s just one of a hundred issues that could crop up.

 

Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr Rhein Ruhr Osten Ruhr Sieg Nord these can be merged via the missing line which is Bahnstrecke Bochum/Dortmund-Witten-Hagen. The key feature is Rbf Hagen Vorhalle where 363 204 & DB Baureihe 650 Vossloh G6 can run the Hump. Also merge with my first Dutch international route Hollandstrecke Duisburg Oberhausen Arnhem Utrecht via Zevenaar basically becoming a network called Ruhrgebiet & Netherlands

 

Chatham Mainline sounds good. we already have rochester to Faversham and london etc. it'll be nice to have Charing Cross To Ramsgate Dover P And Ashford in the route. as we dont have that one yet ofc.

 

Actually there is an Intercity route between Dresden and Chemnitz IC17 Warnemünde Dresden Chemnitz. Video

The pis on the platform will end up saying Rostock Hauptbahnhof instead of the correct destination Warnemünde since this service runs Nahverkehr Dresden Dresden Hauptbahnhof Dresden Neustadt Intercity player control.

 

Are you suggesting like a train simulator classic merge where they have to share the same geographic coordinate. For example you can do this with Bahnstrecke Straßburg Kehl Karlsruhe with the northern sections being Koblenz Frankfurt & Frankfurt Manheim Karlsruhe since the following cities lie in the same coordinate Frankfurt Mannheim Karlsruhe since its a TSC workshop route Koblenz-Frankfurt Am Main-Straßburg(Strasbourg)/Offenburg

 

I feel like a southeast UK "Box" could work.

BML = London Victoria - Brighton
ECW = Brighton - Eastbourne
Then, to connect to SEHS;
ECW2 = Eastbourne - Ashford
SEHS = Ashford - London STP
SEHS = Faversham - Dartford
Then, to connect to London, you could make Chatham Mainline from Rochester to London Vic, or the line from Dartford to Charing X.

Get a 171 then a 376/707/700 thrown in.

Alternatively, the Scottish network could be expanded upon over time.

 

Just wondering what's a geographical coordinate?

 

latitude and longitude, basically a measure of the position of a location on the map (or planet). If all the locations of a station in the game are are the same then you can more easily map those tiles into other routes

Yes. I am saying that the co-ords in game should be real (ie real life) and that these can (and should) then be used to link routes up more easily
For example I don't think anyone's complained that Brighton isn't true to life, so there's no reason for anyone to need to rebuild that map tile, they should (SHOULD) be able to just link to said tile and map from it. Obviously the last bit to do is out to Hove but it still works
Same for other multi direction stations.

 

Chaham Mainline would only add three or four minor and one medium station to the route unless they do some of the urban runs to Orpington. Most trains from Rochester run fast to Bromley then into Victoria with a couple of stoppers an hour calling at Meopham and Longfield with one additional calling at Sole Street, Swanley etc

Charing Cross to Ramsgate goes via the Kent Mainline (Tonbridge) so not part of this route at all. I think there's been a one a day special from Cannon Street to Ramsgate, but that's infrequent.
And if you're making the North Kent Lines that would be a separate DLC for me, given it's three lines, two depots (Slade Green and Hither Green), some additional freight workings if they can actually put freight on a UK route (Angerstein Wharf) etc etc

And they could also make the class 376 to run on it in addition to the 465s so that'd be a bonus...

Not holding my breath though

 

Great suggestion!

 

If they did this they can take my money.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath on a whole uk network just yet. This is a personal wish but i would love an extended gwe to oxford or to newbury

 

This is good news and my guess both routes have the same Geographical Coordinate endpoint as Wurzburg Hbf. Otherwise, the TSC issue will happen that merging routes that don't share the same Geographical Coordinate Origin & Endpoints results in places being misplaced in TSC this happens to NJCL with NEC NY Philly and Frankfurt Koblenz and Koln Koblenz.

 

There's a 7page long thread about route mergers and networks here with some great thoughts shared

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/route-mergers-in-2022-lets-build-a-network….50511/

 

Correct and that's the method for TSC Merger they must share the same geographic coordinates otherwise a merger will not happen. In TSC NEC NYC to Philly 30th St can't merge with NJCL due to a different point of origin same thing also happens to Köln Koblenz and Koblenz Frankfurt am Main TSC merger. What will happen is something like this seen in train simulator classic Workshop Koblenz Straßburg Kehl Offenburg via Frankfurt am Main since these route share the same geographic coordinate to make the merger happen. The American example is North Jersey coastline Morris & Essex NJ Transit lines and last part is Metro-North New Haven & Hudson lines merged together with them Sharing New York City geographical coordinate. Then Rhein-Ruhr Osten Ruhr Sieg Nord merger is feasible due to both routes sharing Hagen Hbf as point of Origin. Preferably a small extension for Hagen Vorhalle where the 363 204 & G6 can work and reform a freight train from Wuppertal Steinbeck RRO to become a Finnentrop Kreuztal train Ruhr Sieg Nord freight train. Here's Matt's quote about Train Sim World having a common origin point system for mergers

 

Saw that list and here's quote by Matt on TSW route mergers

Apply the quote by Matt to Main Spessart Bahn & SFS Hannover Wurzburg the actual name for Kassel Wurzburg merger both routes do share Wurzburg Hbf as their common point of Origin. ECW and BML merger will be London Victoria or Brighton as the common origin point.

 

Yeah i would like to see the North Kent Lines Charing X Ramsgate would love to see more Urban routes in the game. and as a DLC for it it would be alright

 

North Kent Lines are Charing Cross and Cannon Street to Dartford (extended to Strood)
The rest is Chatham Mainline - outer urban

 

Yes

 

Arriving here more than a year later the Scotrail has become a trio that could be assembled if they gave a dam in 3 day.

 

A year later and I get this notification great to see people still remembering this thread with how tsw is these days route mergers might soon become an actual thing.

 

I love network-type routes, so mergers would definitely do that, so hell yeah from me

 

I've wondered if this is what they're eventually aiming for with Antelope Valley/LA to San Bernadino and Cajon Pass.

 

Just changed the title of this thread to reflect it is an expansion as they got rid of the train sim world 4 prefixes which I just found out.

 

What about maintalbahnn and mainspessartbahnn?

 

Even Better Maintalbahn Main Spessart Bahn with SFS Hannover Würzburg this makes use of the Lohr Connector line. In one of the streams they said its name the Nantenbacherkurve. That's the main merge of a Network with Maintalbahn Main Spessart Bahn and SFS Hannover Würzburg KWG.