Metrolink San Bernardino Line Discussion Thread

And now Metro is left to redevelop the old Pacific Electric Lines that have already residentially developed way past what they were in their hay day. And anti-transit legislation of the 80's in LA county didnt help either.

 

While European cities generally have excellent public transit, and the larger ones have developed commuter rail systems in the suburbs/exurbs, in the countryside you're out of luck without a car, unless you want to wait for the twice-a-day local bus. In Germany last fall we rented a car, because if you want to get to the Wieskirche or Partnachklamm you ain't getting there on public transport.

(Also, if you're traveling with luggage, do you really want to schlep it from the airport or train station to the hotel on the subway?)

 

The parking space situation was better some years ago. It became worse if some cities (led from a special party) made special decisions like reducing parking spaces and increased the prices of the other parking spaces.

 

Too bad custom liveries from creators club aren’t supported (which seems like a silly feature to leave out) so now I can’t make proper Metrolink consists using the Caltrain repaints.

 

I pray DTG fixes the looping on the F125's bell and makes the Rotem bell automatically turn on with the horn.

 

The cabcar bell does not turn on automatically with the horn. The bell must be turned on manually. The same way it was on the Bombardier cabcars.

 

Same in Swindon. The town bus service is excellent but apart from a couple of main road routes, country buses are another matter. If you want to go to an out of town location for a walk in the countryside, you drive.

 

And the wait begins for information to start coming out about the dlc lol. Does anyone know or remember how long this usually takes before we get any information?

 

Considering it's probably at least 5 months away, I doubt we'll hear anything else before the end of April, probably even May.

 

Would be funny,in the ironic sense, if this turned into one of the “Big Summer Three” either TSW5 or some sort of Rush Hour/Season Pass exercise.

In fact other than the Salzburg route, which in itself seems to have issues, none of the content announced in the last roadmap seems anywhere close to getting released, not even the Class 104 DMU.

 

Yeah, it's because there was meant to be LIRR 2.0 filling this gap, but it's being held back due to Licensing. I bet it was meant to be released about now.

 

I agree 100%. When I travel to Europe for business or pleasure, I usually rent a car since even though public transportation is much more developed than the U.S., it rarely goes to where I need/want to be at the times I need to be there. On vacations, the wife usually finds a VRBO which is off the beaten path so a car is a necessity.

 

I just made a video about what we know and a small discussion with some questions.

 

PTC has been asked and answered multiple times by DTG. It’s too complicated to include, which is why it wasn’t included with AVL. It’s not happening.

Emergency kicks on at 5mph over, not 3mph.

Fairplex is a permanent platform used for the LA County Fair every year. It’s silly to suggest it shouldn’t be included. Raceway platform still exists and I believe the track is planned to be rebuilt. At the time DTG went to California, it was intact for when they were planning the route. Again, why not include it? Both of these add cool options for special trains within the timetable mode.

There’s only one express train in each direction Monday-Friday. Ending it 20 minutes before Redlands at downtown seems perfectly fine so it’s still included as a possible train to run. Why shouldn’t this be included just because you can’t go to Redlands?

Almost all trains go to EMF. Very few deadhead back to LA to go to CMF except maybe on Friday nights. They included CMF. Why wouldn’t they include EMF?

My review and follow up questions/comments for your video.

 

Never said not to do the express, never said they werent including EMF. Dont need to take my things out of context. Once again I talked it over with Matt about removing most PTC systems and having a dumbed down version. I stated this multiple times in my video.

 

Who’s taking what you said out of context? I simply asked questions and made comments based on things you said in your video. Like your comments about not including the Fairplex stop on the route. Silly suggestion in my opinion. If you’re gonna post something like this, you have to be open to constructive criticism, feedback, additional questions to things you asked, and corrections to incorrect things you may have said.

 

Your messages sound condescending, I'm saying as actual time tabled stops they shouldn't exist if that's what we are getting at the platforms should exist. I never said the express should be left out either. Thats why I'm saying you are taking it out of context because I never said to not include express trains.

 

Alright. Well you can accuse me of sounding condescending, that’s fine. That’s not how I meant it. I replied to your video based on things you said and how I took them. It seemed to suggest, based on how you worded it in your video, the Fairplex stop shouldn’t exist because trains rarely stop there. Whether that’s what you meant or not, that’s what I heard.

Anyways, I don’t think continuing this is going to go anywhere positive. And I’m not interested in dragging my discussion thread in a negative direction so let’s just move on at this point.

 

Wonder if this route will actually use the Santa Fe Smokestack asset that was never used in Cajon Pass.....

 

Santa Fe might be under license of BNSF - aka that might be why we never saw it and we might not see it now.

 

Um, we got a Santa Fe F7 in full warbonnet......

 

Totally forgot, my bad.

 

If you are from Los Angeles which I assume you aren't you would have heard of this route as it's Metrolink's busiest of all 7 lines it's a long route with plenty stations so no the line isn't new but it's new to the game and for anyone from the west coast or from LA like me we are excited about it, just gotta give the game a chance itt may or may not grow on ya but just gotta give it a chance

 

a bit off topi, but can someone help me find a thread explaining how to set up trains/locos on US freight routes? like if you have multiple locos in different positions in a consist, how and what to set up there also how to set up british 66 for freight depending on consist, thx

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/sand-patch-grade-banking-comm.38229/#post-284507

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o7zeIn-Nshe7_bzqkd7hQg2QrV0G9xNvBevPoxTunA8/edit#gid=0

 

wow, great guide, but I think I will stick to German freight for now lol or UK, looks like 66 is easier to set up thx anyway

 

Now that would be a sight

 

Looking at June now for 1st details maybe?

 

I am of the opinion that DTG never really intended to show anything from San Bernardino as early as they did but were forced to do it so they'd have something American to talk about on the roadmap when the MTA licensing snag hit LIRR 2.

 

"All footage shown is work in progress & subject to change"
Man, I sure hope so.

 

Not too promising for US routes as expected im starting to have second thoughts about TSW 5 other than do the free starter and wait till stuffs at a discount not many of the announced. Routes really appeal to me maybe the boston MBTA but again tonnnnssof passenger train and emu dmu crazy stuff again they should just change name to Passenger train sim world just a smite of freight for San Bernardino and if any csx freight gets added to the mbta boston..the Santa Fe pak still listed but who knows

 

Yes US stuff seems to be mirroring the European EMU craze. Personally I'd like to see more US freight with intelligently built scenarios as in TS which are really fun. Or if passenger make it more retro to bring a different look. US passenger is starting to look a bit samey.

 

if it were not for the free upgrade to tsw5 ,I would just not even bother with it until it get deep discounts or just leave tsw in in the deadline and go to TSC and Trainz their NA stuff is better and have more choice of old and new locomotives longer and more routes

 

also TSW VR NY is out no big dealVR makes me motion sick and then they have a Roblox train sim that has a P42 engine. In it DTG wont even put the P42 in TSW..this whole thing just going in wrong direction

 

Interestingly from the "Route Hopping" segment on the stream, when the player selects San Bernardino Line, two timetables show;
- "San Bernardino Line"
- "San Bernardino Line - Weekend"

Looking at Metrolink's website it appears that on Weekdays it's mostly a half-hourly service, while Weekends vary from once every 3 hours to once an hour (probably more variation than that)

I'd like to give SBD a go. I like the Metrolink locos, I just can't stand AVL as a route, so this may be for me. And, if it is, then two timetables is very nice indeed!

 

So went thru the video again, and some more things to point out.

1. There is no BNSF traffic at all at their intermodal yard in San Bernardino, not even any well cars sitting out there.


2. For some reason, the ballast looks better than before in this shot, it blends into the ground better.


3. Railroad crossings are still not modeled very well.


4. The 2 liveries for the Bi-Levels that Metrolink currently uses, slight disappointment the oldest White ones wont be included.

5. Floating traffic on I-10, also the light poles which I mentioned in another thread (That would be a big safety hazard IRL)


Thing I would still like to know.

Layering: It was shown UP equipment in LATC, so we know that Sherman Hill is at least needed to fill that yard out, but no BNSF equipment is seen in San Bernardino, so will Cajon Pass add layers here?

Also, will there be any playable BNSF layers for at LEAST their yard shuttle from San Bernardino to Kaiser Yard?

I'm also assuming the MP36 wont layer back into Antelope Valley?

 

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There is some BNSF freight from what i took in the direct but have to have cajon pass to layer freight

 

Made by 2 different developers. The issue with the p42 in tsw is the lack of gameplay which dtg have already explained

 

And all that was needed for the Roblox game was a low-detail 3D exterior model.

 

Yeah, after going thru more stuff, there is at least BNSF layers, but no known playable ones.

Also worth nothing this set is backwards as Metrolink usually run Cab Car 1st into LA, so hopefully its only a scenario train, not a timetabled one.



EDIT

Also here is a preview of the route map, lots of freight sidings branching off, but weather or not those can even be used in free roam is yet to be seen.

 

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. Yes on top of any layered in timetable freight i will test free roam freight to see if can run to any spurs in it

 

Oh yay just what we all wanted, more BNSF ES44s just renumbered SMH.... If they are going to give us more BNSF power atleast give us some dash9s or better yet since the SB line runs on the UP for a little bit some different UP power

 

Nothing is new, all the freight content is layered in from older routes, mainly Sherman Hill for UP, and Cajon Pass for BNSF.

 

pre-ordered

 

I'm sure WSDOT would be a great partner for some PNW content, and there are some incredible routes up here, from Stevens Pass to the Empire Builder and Cascades

 

So according to this, there are playable BNSF freight layers on the route. What they consist of, are yet to be seen.

 

Yea this part was really surprising to me! I remember thinking about how cool it would be to have a weekend timetable on the Peninsula Corridor (although that would be more interesting gameplay-wise since some stations on the line are weekend-only). But including a weekend timetable on US routes is actually pretty smart since they typically don't offer as much gameplay as most European commuter routes.

Even if a weekend timetable will be less interesting due to the lower amount of passenger traffic, it'll just be cool having a different experience like that. Maybe it'll even feature more freight traffic compared to the main timetable?

 

Because it links the Antelope and Cajon Pass lines into one 220 mile route now?
Just made sense to do the bit in the middle since they had the assets, had the rights and contract, and it connected 2 existing lines.
It was just convenient with what they already had in hand.

 

The "theme" of the route choices for TSW5 definitely seems to be the route hopping feature. All 3 of them have connections to existing routes, and San Bernardino connects 2 existing routes.

 

So, some slight dissapointment from the freight perspective.

Looking at the route map that was seen in the direct video, the CSI steel mill complex behind Auto Club Speedway isn't included.




Though its odd alot of other industrial sidings are included in the area, maybe DTG didn't want to model the steel mill....