Midland Mainline - Leicester To Derby & Nottingham

Yeah they have, I don't know the Xbox button to cancel DSD as I have had 2 emergency brake applications take place cos I couldn't cancel it..

 

Agreed mate, I also think that constructing a 30 mile (ish) route with less staff but more than manageable, should really increase in quality and also what you get per each DLC released.

Imagine having to create an entire earth in order to fly around the world and it actually being accurate and still getting consistent quality updates...

Poor work from DTG and Sky hook with this, it's so dead on the route and boring.

Refund being considered. :/

 

Coming from msfs just recently:
No. There is also bugs everywhere. Especially in 3rd party content but also in msfs. Some seem to never get fixed.
The habit there is to only trust the 3rd party devs which prove that they fix their stuff in a timely fashion.
Here it seems people are more ‚critical‘ which i can understand because we‘re more dependent on a few parties.
So if skyhook irons out most of those things in a timely manner ‚flight simmers would be ok with it‘.
If not it would hurt their reputation.
But really: how long gone are the times of bugfree software on release (for which you never got any update, added content, etc…)? 20 years? However: i‘m used to it, ok with it because it won‘t change.
If i wasn‘t - i wouldn‘t buy but simply wait for fixes.

 

They didn't it's still the B button for both AWS and DSD. On Xbox they simply didn't map the HST's DSD to the B button as on the 158. Keyboard Q still works or you can look down and click on the pedal.

 

DSD/Vigilance also isn’t mapped on the HST on PS5, you have to physically press the foot pedal to cancel it

 

The tree pop in on this route is forgive me for saying the worst I have seen to date.
Not sure if this video shows it but its horrific, its like watching a tree surgeons reverse magic show at times. I don't know if my expecations are too high or what.

Can someone please share an ini setting to mitigate this. Its awful. I recorded this video (about 30 min until its in 4k from now) and you can see some of it but then it got worse where I was.

Please someone help with ini to sort this out.


EDIT - I HATE RUNNING INI FILES AND KILLING FPS BUT THIS HASNT IMPACTED ME PERSONALLY

Locked at 69fps and removing that pop in eye sore make a "significant" difference to immersion

r.ViewDistanceScale=3
foliage.LODDistanceScale=3

 

I can't see your video, or any videos at all on this forum. Can someone advise what I have done so I can look at videos on this forum?

 

I'd imagine it would be a browser setting tucked away somewhere.



I think it still converting to 4k at the moment as only just uploaded.

 

I don't know if this will work for your setup, but this is what I run - virtually no micro-stutters while a good draw distance. I got it from train sim community website.

I think the rain shadow is abhorrent as well... but that's a DTG core tech issue, and has always been there.

[SystemSettings]
r.ViewDistanceScale=5
foliage.LODDistanceScale=5
r.DFDistanceScale=5
r.TonemapperGamma=2.5
r.GTSyncType=1
r.OneFrameThreadLag=1
r.AmbientOcclusion.Method=1
r.GTAO.FalloffEnd=200
r.GTAO.SpatialFilter=0
r.GTAO.NumAngles=2
r.GTAO.UseNormals=1
r.GTAO.ThicknessBlend=0
r.BloomQuality=3
r.Streaming.FullyLoadUsedTextures=1
r.Streaming.HLODStrategy=2
r.LightMaxDrawDistanceScale=50.0
r.MinScreenRadiusForLights=0.00
ts2.CameraMotionSway.EnableUprightCompensation=0
ts2.CameraMotionSway.KSitting.Y=200.0
ts2.CameraMotionSway.KSitting.Z=200.0
ts2.CameraMotionSway.LSitting.Y=40
ts2.CameraMotionSway.LSitting.Z=5.0
ts2.CameraMotionSway.SittingPivotOffset=-200
ts2.CameraMotionSway.LSitting.X=50
ts2.save.CheckpointsEnabled=0
r.Shadow.RadiusThreshold=0
r.SkeletalMeshLODBias=0
r.Color.Max=1.1
r.Color.Mid=0.4
r.TemporalAACurrentFrameWeight=0.2
r.TemporalAASamples=4
r.ToneMapper.Sharpen=0.5
r.SSR.Quality=4
r.SSR.Temporal=1

 

Sorry for the spam, getting a live feed as I spot things.

The not quite awake scenario, not a single person on the train, Nada.....

 

Overall it seems rushed out clearly. Last minute fencing out the interesting locations etc, barely static stock and entire missed freight opportunity.
Looking at peak forest with its ending points and confirmed "no diesel" timetable, i dont really have one single convincing reason, for buying any other content in tsw. Seems they are up to get the quick money from the players, but i cant really see the same passion as in the beginning (its so obvious there is no time invested for polishing). In the end noth worth my time.

(To be honest, i wanted to count the minutes of uninstalling the entire 210GB peace just to find out an SSD is very effective in doing that in 1 second lol.)


Im mostly disappointed with the releases this year regarding the obvious massive drop in quality (Niddertalbahn as the only exception). Dont get me wrong, there are many enjoyable things in tsw, but in terms of the impressive details brought me into the franchais, there is really no need for me to feed a dead horse.

 

Hate to say this but by far the worst dlc that’s come out of late. Seems like Stevie Wonder must of been on the beta team. Faulty AWS ramps going off in the wrong direction, TPWS just randomly going off even tho the road is clear and my speed is down for the next speed reduction. HST Power car Number is also numbered on the carriages. The only best thing about the dlc is the 158 which is superb. Please DTG/Skyhook have another look at this route and get some fixes out for it soon as

 

Not sure why you're calling out the beta team, who put the effort in to help by volunteering their own time. I would put good money on most of the issues being called out by them already prior to release; anything obvious that makes to release is a decision by DTG/Skyhook.

 

Doesn’t work on XBox - acknowledge function isn’t mapped to B button as it is in all other DLC. Already raised it in Tech Reports. Think it’s the same for PS ⭕️?

 

Is there a manual for this dlc? I'm trying to setup the GSM-R in the 158 and can't get the train registered as you can in the AP TSC Class 158. All I've been able to do so far is turn the GSM-R on and change the brightness of the display.

 

Very happy that i didnt even considered preorder.
Definitly since at least one year, choices and routes quality are low in TSW. I still have routes that i enjoy (german mostly and London commuter too) but this ?

Maybe it will be fixed. Maybe it will get partial fix. Maybe not. But for now its blank, bugged and far less enjoyable from what i have seen than TSC version. And again the same people get scammed by nice marketing and almost no quality check.

And for fanboys that think that evry soft come with bugs: yes that true, still companies that get backlashed like the AAA Cyberpunk game worked hard to get it better, made apologies and so on.

DTG fire the DLCs, then forget them.

Sad cause it may have been great.
Stull hope that Skyhook will correct so people that bought will be able to enjoy this but when ?

 

I'm sorry, I've tried it, I don't want to be running ini files to fix draw distance and pop in, it's not floating over the £30 line for me this time in its current quiet state. It's a peculiar route as it doesnt feel like you;ve been on a proper journey, its like GWR, a small nibble of a terminus route

 

Would you like to be Vice President of my refund club...

Seriously though I think DTG should be showing some concern about the state in which this has been put out. However complete silence in this thread from anyone senior at the company as to what they propose to do about it.

Anyhoo, I'm off to thrash me Alco RS3 on Boston to Albany. Also eyeing Rio Grande Southern once the refund clears, so ironically the money goes back to DTG, different department. Or I might throw it at the JT MML.

 

All you can do is turn the GSM-R on and off. That's it. You can't input headcodes or signal numbers etc.

 

Could'nt agree more, draw distance, tree pop in and stuttering are appalling on my 3080ti

 

On balance - I did take these, this was a highlight. I love st Pancras. Had to catch them while they are there.

 

So to get you people right, this is the next messed up release? I didn't buy it, not so much interest in it + Skyhook but this would make the next disaster while still waiting for any fixes for Linke Rheinstrecke...

 

Welcome to the Refund Club



The same half-assed junk as always, you guys at Steam/Valve should introduce stricter quality controls for DTG, because I can't imagine that you have fun with countless complaints or refunds for every DTG release. After all, you are also losing a lot of money due to the inferior quality and the barely existing bug fix mentality of DTG and their third party developers.

Translated with DeepL

 

Struggling to reset the HST after an emergency brake application when I overshot! Done the usual steps but can't get it to move again.
Am I missing something? Can someone (who hasn't refunded it yet ) tell me how to get moving again. Thanks

 

I'm pleased to see this protest of getting refunds as I think it is time to rebel when purchasing something that isn't up to the standard and especially with barely any services on the route + the many bugs and the general core part of the game where the draw distance and flashing scenery issues are present.

I will also be joining you on the refund as this company need to realise that it isn't acceptable to be releasing half finished content and dead routes.

I also noticed that GMSR is defunct on the HST which is odd.

 

I dont want to advocate sharing these posts but sometimes you need to see customer feedback in black and white as I'm uncertain if there is any sort of refund SLA etc via Valve, could be wrong. Forum posts are one thing, but that's £120 requested back I've seen so far....soon adds up at £30 a pop. Same approach over 4 DLCs, thats £500 lost between 4 player potentially. I hate to be negative but I just think if the accountants allowed them a smidge more dev time things would be over the line better.

Take SEHS, mediocre on first pass, redeveloped it for TSW3 and I'd suggest its a flagship route now, but then, we don't see ROI on the increased dev time I guess.

 

Paste this on your browser:

Code:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ndpmmcDv44

 

I'm not a fan of negativity either, but we're just complaining because we love the game and want it to finally be as cool as it could be. All is missing is the insight of DTG, less sit on the money like Scrooge McDuck and put more effort into the game and bug fixes. But instead, the usual cricket chirping everywhere.

It is simply accepted that TSW is becoming more and more neglected, which in turn leads to more and more customers running away, which ultimately leads to a further price increase without any improvement in effort or quality. If this continues, it will be the end of the line.

EDIT: Actually, DTG should be forced to change their mentality in a class action lawsuit, there are also laws and deadlines for software developers to make their product functional.

Baaam:

 

You can't do that in TSW3. The GSM-R is not a fully working feature. It has very basic functionality just in case you want to "roleplay" it does work.

 

The refund process is automated, Valve doesn't handle them manually. It is possible for DTG to see the text reason for every refund on the Steam back-end, if they decide to look.

 

I rarely post on here, mainly because I personally believe that there are enough people already pointing out the large number of bad points as well as the good points of some of the DLC software offered to consumer's by Dovetail or outside partners.
Me simply going over what has already been said regarding MML is a waste of both my time and the time of anyone who reads this.

However there also comes a point when a paying customer can no longer remain silent and leave it up to other customers to complain.
Considering that this was a delayed release as it was, then I can only assume Skyhooks original offering must have very been bad to say the least.

With that said I have a few questions for Dovetail Games.
1) Do Dovetail Games think it is acceptable to keep on releasing sub standard content for TSW3 ?
or are there plans to stop releasing bad content and if so when?
2) Does whoever is in charge of approving software for release think that this offering of MML was of a high enough acceptable standard for release?
presumably that person or persons responsible for approving software do think this was an acceptable release of high enough quality, otherwise it would not have been released.
3) Do Dovetail Games think that downloadable software with this many errors / bugs offer customers value for money.
presumably they do otherwise why release it at the price point it was released at.

 

I think one of the challenges for us passionate players is our comments and refunds will be massively outweighed by Joe casual and many like them furnishing dtg with a bundle purchase and not knowing a bug from a train or giving two hoots of the routes accurate.

Theyre the sweet cash cow that contribute to £30 buy it if you like it dlc I dare say

 

There's also the console cash cows where (AFAIK) you either can't or it's very difficult to get your money back.

Anyhow my Alco RS3 out to Framingham was superb!

 

It’s as simple as this. Stop buying the routes on release. Wait a month and see if DTG are willing to ‘fix’ it. If not avoid it.

DTG are a disgrace right now and I don’t know why people are giving them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

 

Consoles are just as easy to get refunds on. Microsoft clear them if you ask before 14 days.

 

Just to add, I've thrown my name into the refund hat as well. Sick of this now.

 

That maybe so unfortunately, but for many passionate players who are regular to these forums (and who are most likely to have played the game most for hundreds, if not thousands, of hours), then DTG should very well make player comments/feedback/suggestions from the forum as utmost priority. I think everyone will agree that we all want TSW to be the best as it can be.

 

Thanks. As the marketing email I received earlier makes a point of mentioning that the 158 has GSM-R I'd have expected at least what the TSC version is capable of. The marketing team seem to like sailing close to the wind but no doubt leave enough wriggle room to avoid being guilty of misselling.
The functionality of this 158 compares poorly with that of the AP TSC version, no operable destination display control unit, micky mouse GSM-R and no door interlock light. Thank goodness DTG are keeping TSC alive by improving the core, long may it continue.

 

I can only apologise

 

Hang your head sir and pass your wallet to someone responsible

 

I ran a 158 service from Leicester to Nottingham at around midday and only saw 2 trains in a roughly 50-55min trip (1 HST heading the same direction as me and another HST in the other); upon arriving at Nottingham there was one 158 and a HST stopped at the station.

Honestly the timetable in NYT felt more alive than this one. It has potential though and I hope Skyhook continue to add content in the future

 

It's certainly very concerning to see this kind of trend with empty routes/timetables continue as is - one of the best things in the past I loved about TSW was the excitement and anticipation of new content thanks to many past routes that were and still are brilliant. However, not to be pessimistic, but I just don't get very excited anymore when anything's announced until I can actually see a preview to make my decision of whether a new route is worth getting or not - the timetable being the ultimate factor.

 

I wake up, check the thread per usual and find this. Not happy but why haven't they fixed this glitched it has made free roam largely unplayable for me as I ride a train from one place to another before driving it to create immersion does not stand on the train while NPCs sit down in semi comfy seats.

 

I just did a morning run from Derby to Nottingham which took half an hour, I passed one class 158 and there was a HST in Nottingham station.

This timetable is not good enough by any stretch of the imagination. The route also really needs an extension, it might be "tri-pointed" or whatever fancy marketing term it was given but each individual route is not long at all.

At least with a busy timetable it would be more immersive.

I will sleep on it overnight as I haven't passed the two hour window yet.

 

I know you refunded, but you should try this ini settings for the trees and grass.

foliage.LODDistanceScale=5
r.ViewDistanceScale=8
grass.DensityScale=1.0

There was one setting for the LOD distance of the grass but killed my FPS and I removed it, I can't remember wich one is. You shouldn't have any FPS issue with those, I run it on a GTX 970.

 

I’ve played two services so far, using the HST and 158. MML was always a Day 1 purchase especially because of how good the route is in TSC.

Does it match up to TSC?! Well yes and no, yes because it looks visually stunning, the area around Trent Junction is incredible. But it’s the attention to detail that it doesn’t have lineside clutter/foliage/more custom assets etc that TSC does have.

Stations are modelled nicely as always.

The Class 158 is the stand out for the model, the livery and the sounds, more so than the HST which I was a little underwhelmed by. But again the livery does look brilliant on the HST.

I actually like the route length, nice short express drives or longer stopping services, it’s a good mix.I think Skyhook got this spot on.

Timetable mode, there are plenty of missing services but I’m hoping this for a future 153 or 156 DLC perhaps, if not then it’s just bizarre! Timetable mode is one of the main attraction of TSW, and it really needs a “fuller” timetable this route!

Ratcliffe Power station looks “warped” from a distance.

Speed signs are incorrect various places, I noted a 120 over a 110 when it should have been the other way round! I noted a 50 over 50 as well outside Nottingham as well.

Some signalling issues with “cats eyes” lit I also noticed signals stepping up from a yellow to green each time, despite having nothing in front.

Overall it’s a 7.5 out of 10 for me, hopefully a patch fixes a lot of issues that are easily fixable but other than that, it’s a good effort from Skyhook and a route I love anyway, it really is a lovely route and captures the MML. The stations modelled are spot on, Nottingham is the stand out station for me.

Here’s some images, no .ini tweaks as I’m testing out various options on my RTX4070 but I think it looks like a stunning route!

 

Unfortunately I am less than pleased with this release. I think MML may just be the buggiest route in recent memory and I have documented a list of bugs I encountered in the Technical Reports section and I hope that Skyhook or DTG take note and fix them. I have full confidence the beta team have already reported these bugs so I question why these were not fixed especially when some of them are so obvious to spot and greatly hamper gameplay/immersion.

Bugs aside the general scenery is very dire, tons of services are missing and many corners were cut especially concerning freight. Ratcliffe power station is fully modelled and all the track is there so I assume the original intention was for that to be accessible but got cut last minute. Why is it TSG had the freedom to create Niddertalbahn without worrying about time restraints but Skyhook and Rivet don't? The proof is in the pudding Niddertalbahn was fantastic and MML feels like a beta build.

I cannot recommend MML at it's current price and I would recommend waiting for a sale or a large patch. I can however recommend Niddertalbahn since it was clearly made with love and care and I hope the team behind the route continue to make amazing content.

Please Just Trains, save us...

 

Erm, what in the space time continuum?

 

I assume people said that before but I think it was fine to say it again. Skyhook indeed doesnt understand how British Signal works and they need to revisit TVL to see how it actually works. The main concern for me is the shunt signal that was combined/under a main signal lights up WITH the main signal. Thus you got red light from both and green(white) light from both. They need to realise it was correct behaviour for shunt signal NOT combined with main signal, not WITH it.

 

A small bug I noticed just now while boarding the class 158 is:

The door open button is door open but so is the door close button...
There are a few other bugs I have noticed but I think other people have noticed them and wrote.

Otherwise stunning class 158 and stunning route, I cannot include the 43 because of well uh.. Lets just say some bad design for example you cant sit in the seats in passenger mode and its AWS will not work.. And a load of other things that I think were already mentioned.

The pro's though I must mention the Class 158 and 43 sound stunning I must admit, Great work on most things but things need improving!

It is at the cab end vestibule of car 57*** not any others.

(This was on PC)