Midland Mainline - Skyhook Feedback

To be fair to DTG, they can’t tell independent companies who they can and can’t employ. I’m certain there are some excellent people at Skyhook, we know for sure they have at least 1!

I think if it were me I’d have called out the public blame game as soon as it started given DTG were seemingly entirely innocent, but it’s easy to say that with hindsight. One bad egg shouldn’t mean the rest of the basket is thrown out though.

 

Fair enough but then SHG did not exactly enjoy a stellar reputation prior to this either...

 

I’ve been following this thread (and the others) on MML and Skyhook’s progress on fixing the issues at every step.

I’ve gone to reply many times about how the amount of community engagement from Skyhook’s employees and the huge number of fixes going on (a testament to how bad the route was at release) does not matter to me if the route is still severely flawed at the time I buy it. That’s all that matters, the quality and stability of the DLC on my PS5, and nothing else. Jane’s communication has been excellent but I’ve been waiting for each patch to be released and get players’ reports of what’s what, and that’s far more valuable.

At no point, including right now, have I felt confident that if I was to buy it I would be getting a good product. I usually buy routes in sales and this route hasn’t yet come up in one but I think there is a long way to go for Skyhook (and DTG if they need to step in) to persuade me to buy this horror show.

It’s quite unacceptable really.

 

From what we were told by Jane in the beginning it was about all the extra improvements, 100+ which sounded great but all anyone wants is a stable route with the basics covered. I feel Skyhook were trying to do too much at once and the apparent hot fix further improvements were going to be added. The 2nd patch came not the hot fix and no further improvements added. Please just give us a stable route then bring on the improvements.

 

i agree so much with this point.

i don't like the idea of attacking somebody at all, and i personally do not want to and will not go down that route, all that should be relevant to us, the players, is the state of the midland mainline route.

and i know from my experience, the route is deeply flawed, and i still cannot drive a hst into nottingham on ps4 pro without the game crashing (and i still have the aws/tpws issues too)

if i knew at the beginning how much was missing/not working with this route i 100% would not have purchased it, and i honestly feel the release of glossop with very, very few issues (and any issues are very minor there) has showed me how a dlc should be released. the difference in quality, stability, reliability and performance between midland mainline and glossop could not be more different.

so i really don't want to see any personal attacks on jane whatsoever (or on anyone for that matter), i just want to enjoy the tsw routes that i buy.. ultimately this game is supposed to be an hour or so escape from the negatives of real life, that's how i see it for me anyway.

 

To be fair it's a good little route, it's just the frustrating bits of signalling errors which grates on me, surely this can be fixed pretty easily. There are plenty of positives in this creation by SHG. Of course the crashing aspect for some is far more serious and need sorting, sharpish.

Another side of this is - if we had an editor we as a community could sort this stuff out, and a lot of this thread would probably not be here.
Give us an editor, DTG. Just think of all the creations we would have by now if we had one.

 

*edit* Looks like this has been shown to be seperate.

 

Well it does show on Linkedin they are looking for that position, coincidence?

 

But I don't want to fix or work around issues myself. I'm sure an editor would be good for anyone who wants to create their own scenarios, etc. – but I'd like to think people would still (and rightly) complain and demand proper fixes. I want a developer to give me a working product, if not on release day (ideal, but not always realistic) then ASAP in a patch or several.

It's like mods, which are fine for people who want to make and/or use them, but they should never become a get-out clause for a developer to move on and not fix a product officially.

 

Interestingly, people in the other thread are saying that the post-patch PC version isn't having the problems that the consoles are. I wonder if SHG took a different approach than DTG, where while DTG will hold and release a patch for all systems at once, did SHG release now PC fixes they had ready now just to get something out ASAP?

 

[EDIT - Jan - Off Topic, accusatory]

Since this doesn't effect myself or my business, I couldn't care less.
It's a 'cut throat' business world that we live in. Leave the guy alone.
I sincerely wish Jane/Andrew, his partner and family all the best.

 

So how did all platforms get a patch ?

 

What an odd post, leave the guy alone, but check out these links, weird.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Off Topic, accusatory]

 

The whole thing? Just now? Took me two days including doublechecking.

 

I'm finished with this and won't reply in this thread anymore now - all has been said. People can make up their own minds and choose what to believe. As Skyhook can, and probably already have done. You're free to call SHG a mob of course.

 

ffs I can’t believe this. Sorry torfmeister for being sceptical but I do now agree with you. In all seriousness do you think Janes wife is ill or will we never see Jane again on here. I feel worst for skyhook who are now going to suffer in reputation and need to clear up this mess. Does Jane even work for skyhook still?

 

Guys,

To quickly dispel rumours. I am on sick leave and just seen all this discussion on me which to be honest as left me really upset.

I am indeed CTO at Skyhook. I am currently on compassionate leave with a VERY sick wife. The rumour mill has gone in to overdrive it seems.

My background is real and genuine and I shared court documents here. I have faced huge and significant trolling. I am currently not working whilst caring for my wife, so just dropped by to see how things were going and was shocked.

Adam and the rest of the team at SHG, I am sure are doing their best to sort out any issues with MML during my absence. The team have worked really hard and I am very proud of them.

I won't be giving any further statements or responses as I do actually need to look after my wife. I do keep looking in when I can as I care about MML and all of you guys. I hope to return to work in the near future.

Jane

 

[EDIT - Jan - Off Topic, accusatory]

 

The couple of pages I read were enough for me. I’m really disappointed, but hey, nothing I can do about it now.
Let’s hope DTG can save what could be a great DLC, if they can fix everything.

 

Has anybody told Jane his job is being advertised ?

 

I hope you're wife gets better soon.

Sorry that there are so many rude individuals on this forum.

And as for said individuals, you can bash me all you like (as you most likely will) I've read through the evidence on both sides and my opinion has not changed, Jane is the one who I believe is telling the truth.

 

Any chance of telling us why both patches released have been very different between platforms in terms of what is working and what has been fixed. The first time you said there were missing files (disputed by DTG btw) so what happened this time? PC seems a more complete patch and there are many bugs still need fixing there too.

Best wishes to you and your wife.

 

Guess I could have worded that more clearly. I wasn't referring to getting a patch as a whole, just wondering if the PC patch had some individual fixes that hadn't yet been put in the consoles' one.

 

Seriously people? After everything Jane has done for us this is how you treat them when they aren't here? Pathetic. I'm done with you all.

 

I thought someone said that the advertised job was Technical Director, while Jane is CTO.

 

That is correct, which means it isn't Jane's position that's being advertised.

 

While there has been some antagonistic behavior from individuals here, some of it does appear to be warranted.
With that said, what exactly have they done for us? Patches were promised since release, the patches have either not fixed many of the issues, including ones the change log listed as fixed, or made things worse, on top of being delayed.

 

And that gives people the right to be antagonistic and start rumours with no end product other than more problems?

No, there's no justification for that. As marcsharp2 says it's Pathetic and everyone who took part should be ashamed.
And the patches have came. Some issues persist however the main bugs and shortcomings of the DLC have been improved on.

Edit: It doesn't matter who the person is, antagonising them constantly and starting rumours is too far.

 

I tried to explain to this forum as mentioned above but no one listened and yes I know I don't work at DTG or SKG but if you guys want to talk about Roomer talk about them on a messaging app or something.

 

And I'm replying to you trainsimplayer

 

Well said!

 

i cant believe how so many people are being taken in. This thread has become unprofessional and personal. It is not about individuals but about company performance. Jane has promised things on behalf of Skyhook that havent happened and skyhook have failed to deliver. They have also not responded in Jane's absence. The product is poor and no improvements are being offered. My guess would be that no further improvements will be made and that Jane makes no further appearance. Skyhooks silence to me indicates that they do not endorse Jane's comments. If they do now is the time for them to comment dont you think?

 

We haven't been taken in by anything and as for Skyhook being silent, that's nothing new.

 

Just like how Jane's legal evidence directly contradicts the flimsy pile of rubbish you seem to believe.

 

Aren't the things we are talking about aka the "Jane situation" ment to be in the off topic section of the forum, now I don't condone to talking about anyone but the things we are talking about aren't about TSW.

 

A lot of issues persist, especially on consoles where it is literally crashing the game, on a console. That's actually quite hard to do. It's not acceptable, at all. Especially months after product release.

If the actual moderators of the forum want the thread sorted out, they will do it. There is already a new feedback/bug reporting thread for MML created by DTG.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Off Topic, accusatory]

 

It's all connected. This thread was the original thread where Jane was active and where we were lead on about a big patch for MML where all the issues would be addressed. That patch never happened, and Jane and Skyhook are all quiet about the whole thing now. So discussing potential reasons as to why Skyhook has gone quiet is completely relevant to the thread topic in my opinion.

 

I don't mean the MML issues I mean the court case things what people are talking about.
Edit: and one more thing so your trying to tell me that DTG don't know about the court case on Jane and non of the DTG staff have replied to any of us about the court case on Jane.

 

I've seen numerous posts saying that DTG have taken over from SHG in regards to MML but I have yet to see from DTG themselves that they are actually committed to fixing the remaining issues with the route. Personally I couldn't give a rat's arse about JW's back story but I do want to know who will be fixing MML and more importantly, when. Ideally I would like to see a statement from DTG that there will be a follow up patch that will address the isues that SHG told us would be addressed.

 

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and allow them to defend themselves. The information in this thread about Jane is concerning if true, but I’d be completely open to hearing the other side of the story. The problem is that Jane, no one from Skyhook, and no one from DTG have provided any information as to what is going on at Skyhook. That itself is more telling than any court documents or news articles. Something is going on at Skyhook that they and DTG don’t want us to know about.

 

Maybe that MML was a scam and no effect was put in they were like "just do anything" and the fact they released the route in that state says a lot even IOW is a better route.

 

And the update both of them where broken and the lighting issues are still not fixed there's something fishy going on at SHG

 

[EDIT - Jan - Off Topic, accusatory]

 

So what actually happened was he "braking the games on purpose or something.

 

Wow this thread has gone all Jerry Springer on us.

I don't give 2 craps about anyones personal life, or the trailer trash trolls.

All I care about are the fixes to MML. And just as I say about DTG proof is in the pudding and that pudding is still giving me food poisoning.

Fix [EDIT - Jan - Language] or don't bother telling us anything unless your sure the patch A. Works. B. Is complete with all the fixes listed in documents. C And has a release date.

Here is an idea, why doesn't someone at DTG call aomeone at Skyhook to verify they received all the files they were supposed to before publishing the updates? Sounds like common sense to me.

I get DTG wants to give 3rd parties freedom to do what they do, but come on between what we have seen from SHG and Rivet in terms of quality for DLC has been terrible.

I think more oversight is needed for sure.

But the main developers releases haven't been much better either. Only 1 out of every 3 seem to be a smooth release.

As for the Jane bashers I'm certainly glad to see these perfect never make any mistake people out here making sure we all are aware of peoples past deeds.

Heck who deserves second chances right?

[EDIT - Jan - Language]

 

I couldn't care less about what players are saying against Jane. I don't care about all these accusations or past history whether true or not. Jane has already said his part and I don't think it's appropriate to intrude on someone's personal life, be hostile and make accusations. I don't care what the evidence says. The past is the past and I believe what Jane is saying is genuine. Would y'all like to be treated the same? Let's just follow each other around, documenting everything you do and post it on the forums shall we? If anyone thinks any of this is appropriate, then there's a serious problem. The forums isn't a place for that and anyone with a brain can figure that out. With all the toxicity, nobody wants to be on the forums and explains why dtg have to take breaks from the forums.

Anyways I'm glad that skyhook released a big patch at all. If skyhook really didn't care, then why would this thread be created in the first place. Skyhook could have just abandoned mml and not released a single patch to it. Except they released not just 1 but 2 patches so far. They gathered feedback from the players and improved on the route and I'm happy with it. Sure things don't work out. But that's just life. There's never going to be 100% perfection.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

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