Why did DTG include the extra branch to Reigate in Brighton-Main Line in train sim world 2 if the title is for London Victoria-Brighton....I wait or you another biased one as well....Answer that...since we go there. The route is London Victoria to Brighton..Reigate is not part of that.. And FYI, no one gon say to add Trenton, all I said was an extra starion yea I know Newark Penn Station is NEC. Hence the services between NYP and Newark including Amtrak. Doesn't Dresden Reisa have the extra branch in their dlc..I thought the route is Dresden-Riesa HBF...I didn't know MeiBen has stops between Dresden and Riesa...OH WAIT that's another branch, I thought the route was between Dresden and Riesa.
Probably because it's profitable. I'm going to spend about $60 on this dlc alone. I can get many a complete AAA game on Steam for that amount. TSW dlc is not cheap. Many of us have spent way north of $2,000 on the game in just a few years. And I have bought most of my collection on sale. So, not to worry. Nobody at DTG is living hand to mouth. And don't forget a couple of years ago Focus thought it was a good investment.
I was referring to the market in general. I imagine the Train Simulator genre is a tad more niche than MLB / MLS / NHL, etc. I imagine DTG is doing well if they're on their 6th iteration, with the last few being annual.
I'd imagine because those are European routes. There are some exceptions with US routes (LIRR for example), but they generally stick to the line itself, not branches. We don't know who would say what regarding extensions / inclusions. Was I exaggerating? Yes. But it's not out of reason. I remember when NY - Trenton was first made, there were people complaining that the NJCL wasn't included, when it's technically not in the scope.
And DTG added the MeiDen branch and then it wasn't there during launch until ppl were upset, and it got added later after people were upset. And yes I would've like to see the NJCL in the Trenton route, but I didn't ask all the way to Long Bramch nor Bay Head, I jus said as far as South Amboy(few stops after Rahway). Now yes the focus is on Trenton jus like this upcoming Morristown dlc..But Dresden-Riesa and London Victoria-Brighton DLCs both had an additional branch that doesn't equal to the title of the dlc..As far as LIRR goes, I'm not even going to revisit my frustrations on that as usual lol...Thats all I'm saying though. And then this upcoming NYP/GCT-Stamford, I'm suggesting hopefully to add the Harlem Line BUT as far as Mt Vernon West especially it would feel weird if they not in the game when the New Haven Line doesn't even stop at stations between Harlem 125 St and Mt Vernon East(except Fordham, it would feel empty without the M3/7a trains. But who knows it is what it is.
I did say "There are some exceptions with US routes". To that point, I'll acknowledge there may be more than "some."
like even now they’re adding the Arrows but not including 1 or 2 stops on the Gladstone a line that primarily uses arrows 3 like what???
And probably if the did that you will be saying why not all the way to Gladstone. Honestly it would be very strange to do that and most would criticize. I’m usually first in line to give DTG constructive criticism, but in this case if the did added one or two stations on the Gladstone line you will be criticizing them for not doing the entire line. Sometimes there’s no pleasing or winning no matter what is developed . Seems is always about wanting more an.This is the way it is for most things in life. We always want more
Those Comet cars is very vintage and still going strong till this day plus the GP40PH-2 which one of them (#4100) is from the 1960 running in awesome condition. I get that DTG has a budget that needs to meet their expectations every year. A Gameplay Add On would be a perfect option to put in and use it as a free roam or later down the road use it on layers as well. Anything is possible. We just have to be patient
Oh yea most definitely. Everytime I see these trains pass on the track everyday. It’s a thing of beauty
No, I wouldn’t. I’m not oblivious and the fact that it takes time to build out a section of a map i’m just in the opinion that if the arrows are going to be the main staple of this route, you should also represent the line they mainly primarily use aka the Gladstone by one stop
I also mentioned on the second post about the cars space used on the Arrow 3 being the opposite direction. When I see these parked on the yard these car it supposed to be space with the black barriers where people walk through the cars. That’s not how it is supposed to be in game. Hopefully they see this error they made
To be fair the Arrow does operate services that originate and terminate at Summit. Also depending on the year the route is set you would also have some that originate from Dover. So you have options with the Arrow. .
Ahh alright that’s good at least. Hopefully the final version will be just like what I said. Arrow 3 is one of my favorite locomotives. I was fortunate enough to be able to hop in the cab of the Arrow 3. Looks awesome and very vintage. I love it
Gladstone Branch has 12 stations altogether. Gotta get the landscape, trees, stations buildings all that for it to be extended. Like I said it would be awesome to have a Gladstone extension along side the Arrow 3 which uses primarily on that line. We just gotta be patient and see what they do for the meanwhile
Also this is the perfect use of route hopping in TSW. We already have Newark Penn in NEC to Trenton. Why add it to this route when it’s supposed to be the Morristown line? We can just take a train in from Dover to NY Penn and then route hop over to the NEC and go to Newark Penn that way. Doesn’t make sense for them to add it in again when route hopping exists.
Budget but also what NJT decided to license for them as well. I know the Bi-Level III cars are supposed to spell the end of the Arrow IIIs and the current set of restored Comet II, the IV, and the V, so it could be a matter of NJT not licensing them either since they aren’t as iconic as the Arrow III and will be going away soon. Would still love to see them in the sim as DLC at some point, especially since I’ve recently been on a few on NEC.
I get the sentiment but have you ever met corporate people? You don’t get to just ask for more money. At least in the US but likely in other countries to, we’ve ended up with a system where corporations are legally required to prioritize shareholders and cut costs enough to ensure an appropriate return for shareholders. Giving a project more money because it would be nice and make customers happy might legitimately land you in court for malfeasance if your shareholders can prove you out the consumer first and it resulted in less earnings for them. Obviously it usually doesn’t get to that point, but in such an environment, budgets are the word of god. Ask for more money than you’ve been allocated and you will be looking for a new job. It’s not that easy for DTG’s developers. If it were, I’d imagine theyd have done it. It sucks but that’s the corporate climate.
Works when there is serious competition. In our case, competition is negligible. That's why. And by the way, I was talking about the client's money, not the investor's money. But yes, it's related anyway. Because more time from employees = more money for employees = budget increase.
Ah I see. I feel like if DTG raised the price of routes the community would riot. Sure there’s a lot of players who want perfect realism but the biggest part of the player base is casual console players who don’t give a LOVE if the trains are even real let alone if every possible branch is included and the route is full length. That significant segment which DTG has stated is roughly 60% of the player base would be upset if prices were raised for something they don’t care about.
It's sad to admit, but you're right. DTG are trying to both attract new customers and satisfy their regular customers. And if the desires of regular customers are generally clear to them, then what new customers want can be find out by the sales. If short commuter routes with modern MU's sold well last year, then it will be same this year. Because regular customers haven't gone anywhere. They come whining, asking for something expensive in development, but they continue buy some of new addons. And newbies - they grab everything what they are given. Until they decide what they like the most and start buying selectively. But others will come after them. So the newbies are more profitable, I guess.
Precisely. If cutting corners actually hit DTG in the pocket book they'd stop. But it doesn’t because the majority of casual players will buy or have their parents buy anything offered especially if it’s easy or can fit with their short attention spans. Then when the people with higher standards also spend the money it hurts it even further. Still not sure boycotting releases would work. DTG tends to get the wrong message from poor sales. SOS was a horrible implementation of steam and Clinchfield was poor quality but when they didn’t sell DTG just assumed players don’t want steam or historic content and just stopped doing those things.
It used to be the case with TSC that there were both "regular: and "delux" DLC on offer from Dovetail, at different price points and with different levels of fit and finish. Would similar vtw0-tiered marketing work in TSW (I mean, aside from TSG's Expert locos, which are yet another level)
I liked a lot about NEC (and still do!) but for this, I expect a lot of the weirdness about it to be solved for, especially in the ALP46 and the multilevel cab cars. The weirdness about the ALP46 electric brakes taking forever to actually apply (or one of the IRL NJT people in the thread please say it's actually like that) during automatic braking, the weirdness of the electric brakes being basically useless when applied independently, the weirdness about hearing every alerter on every AI train passing by for some reason, the very weird NORAC signaling implementation that led to painfully slow approaches to terminal stations on a service (which I have to believe they've solved for, since LIRR2 and NEC Boston both had this fixed, LIRR2 at launch and NEC Boston as a patch), the weirdly absent NYC skyline (definitely getting fixed). They've given themselves a chance, here's hoping they take it
Arrow 3 uses electro pneumatic brakes coupled with dynamic/regenerative braking. Excellent for commuter type services
Unlikely. A layer has to be built into the timetable, so you don't generally see newer trains layering into older routes (unless there's a timetable overhaul)
NEC Trenton's timetable isn't it's worst issue, it's the signaling. That said, updating NEC would be a chance for DTG to offer the concept of "run amtrak service from stamford to trenton (with a route hop)". 95 miles or so, and a two hour run across two potentially jam-packed timetables. That's an opportunity to win solid points for US players
I'm playing the NY Trenton line to hype me before the release. Does anyone have tips about braking correctly with the ALP-46 and the Multi Level cab car ? I always brake way too hard and almost to a complete stop when I get a "Restrict" with the ATC. It's really fun to learn but a bit frustrating sometimes
To be honest unfortunately the ATC is not set up correctly on this route . I personally switch it if and just run with ACSES. As far as braking I know players have posted tips before but it mainly takes trial and error and learning as you go. Hopefully someone with more knowledge on it can post a better answer for you. But just wanted to post about ATC
