My Thoughts On Wcml Euston To Milton Keynes Central Preview Stream

I’d agree, but I think you are getting quite a lot!

I know it is short (ish) but how many routes have DTG done that are like that but have a 6 track railway in places, have huge sidings / yards in the form of Willesden/Wembley and to a lesser extent Bletchley add in the amount of variety and I can see why it’s such a big job!

There’s enough variety from the 710/377 to the one-stop express on the Pendolino to keep me entertained!

So even though it’s just Euston to Milton Keynes I think you are getting a lot of variety and playability.

 

Maybe we can drive the Pendo around the yards all day?

 

I think some underestimate how much work would go into making such a route or any DLC.

50 miles of mostly countryside with a handful of stations is presumably much quicker to make than 50 miles of mostly dense urban scenery with several stations.

 

In many ways I am pleased that WCML started at Euston, DTG have completed the really tough section first.
As I have said earlier I want he route to continue North for as far is possible.
At the moment the only section of the UK that is well served in a connected way is Scotland. Three DLC's, all three connected, which will be great for the New Route Hopping. I am sure somewhere in DTG's mind there are plans to continue the lines up to Dundee and Aberdeen.

I am so looking forward to my first selection of services on WMCL.

This is not meant to knock DTG, but to encourage them.

 

They put an invisible wall there for the same reason there are invisible walls everywhere else. They didn't model that area. They will never model toilets. They probably just modelled the floor and left it at that after realising they spent too much development time on it. Projects always start ambitious then have to be cut down - look at Dresden's Flughafen branch.

 

If they build further parts of this and don't want to "copy" routes that exist in different eras, then going to Manchester would be logical.

 

It’s been mentioned though that a player was more or less able to get to the main doors on one release, so it must be modelled and now just blocked off.

 

Perhaps, but what wasn't mentioned was how good the modelling was. Is it good enough to be stood next to, or is it only good enough to be seen from a distance.

 

Then there were stations for third rail services in Hamburg-Lubeck, fully modeled, have station signs but surrounded with invisible walls. Not sure why.

 

Oh, now I didn't know that! Perhaps this was to avoid confusion with which part was cut and which wasn't.

 

The route is to short imo should of gone to Birmingham New Street not ended at Milton Keynes Just trains route is 90 miles long so I'm sure DTG could of put it to Birmingham

 

Well the school of thought is that DTG are so on their knees for in house route builders, this particular masterpiece was outsourced to our old friends Rivet. So probably lucky (?) it didn't terminate at Tring.

 

Just how many 3rd party developers do DTG use?

 

At least four:
Rivet
TSG
Skyhook
Brandon

 

My opinion also, but it would have taken a major major piece of work. I'll be happy if the next stage of WCML takes us to Birmingham New Street, via London Euston, Milton Keynes, Rugby, Coventry, Birmingham International. Plus The minor Stations along the way for local services at Henley in Arden, Berkswell, Tile Hill, Canley, Long Buckley and Wolverton.

 

Quite frankly I'd rather DTG outsource the route to some of the skilled modders and TSW editor users on here. At least they would approach it as a labour of love, whereas rivet just put a spanner in the works every time with their corner cutting and miserly attitude.

 

Not forgetting Just Trains. Their work is 1st Class.

 

[QUOTEAt least they would approach it as a labour of love, whereas rivet just put a spanner in the works every time with their corner cutting and miserly attitude.[/QUOTE]

Rivet did File Circle?
Some of the scenery assets are so poor outside of the main track side. The Stations, bridges and other railway structures are all fine. However, the houses, Mobile homes, full size football posts in the back gardens of houses, some of which are so close to the track you can't help but see them.

 

They're a third party developer rather than a third party contractor, though of course Rivet/Skyhook/TSG are both

 

Everyone using the service variety argument for WCML when the WCML timetable is horrible in itself is so funny to me. Rugby should have been the endpoint. That’s 50+ mins of pendo run time and the entire core LNR

 

The length wouldn't be as much of a problem if the timetable was up to scratch.

Not to say to MK is acceptable, but the timetable should've been the compromise.

 

Literally the timetable is so bad. Avanti have more than 11tph departing from Euston and a overground train leaves every 15 mins, not to mention LNR services. This route at the very least should be bigger than SEHS timetable wise

 

Has anybody really seen the whole timetable yet?

 

There are only 600 services including layers that is poor for arguably the busiest mainline in the uk. At the very least we should be getting a SEHS esque timetable.

 

No, no they haven't...

 

We saw the timetable in the live stream and all the negative feedback has stemmed from that. If DTG hadn’t finished the timetable, I’m sure they would have been quick to point that out, yet they haven’t. That’s either a really dumb error of judgement - given the backlash, or the timetable is ‘complete’.

 

The silence from DTG is frustrating

 

Maybe tomorrow...

Or maybe they have met the preorder sales projections so are just going to sit back and let the thing go out as is...

 

Apparently it was an early build so we can only hope i guess.
Has Rivet written all over it or DTG have dropped to Rivet standards

 

When Fife Circle was rushed out the door at the end of March I assumed it was to make money before financial year end, but if it's true that Rivet have been heavily involved in the WCML development I wonder if it was because the same dev team was contracted to work on WCML from April onwards.

If so then the decision to bring them in as second party developers has led to two rushed poor quality routes.