Route Nec: New York - Stamford Feedback Thread

Correct, in this case it’s due to the timetable. It will clear after you pass the scheduled arrival time.

 

Correct, the ACSES curve is invisible in the m8/m7a/m3a. I hear you on the unrecoverable penalty, it should be recoverable unless you do not acknowledge the alarm firm.

 

It’s not so much seconds with the ACSES penalty, you need to react fast enough so you don’t accidentally cross the penalty curve.

 

You saying that it takes a few press for it to acknowledge by then you have a penalty brake applied.

 

For ACSES drops, my advice is to immediately move the master controller into the braking range as soon as you hear an alarm. Good habit is to move it to around 60% braking, which would also satisfy the ATC brake rate if you happened to also have a ATC drop. You can acknowledge afterward. The most important thing is to not cross the invisible penalty curve.

 

1326. After stopping at Port Chester the train had an annoying glitch - it refuses to start moving. The only solution is: set the throttle to 100%, then to idle, then set the throttle back to 100%. Repeat for all of the remaining stops.

 

where is it? so I know next time I drive where to look for it to see if I am doing alright

edit: nevermind MAX1319 provided a great pic

 

so as long as the "brake rate" light is on, I shouldnt get penalty brake application?

thanks a ton

 

For ATC drops yes. Once you see the brake rate light illuminate, you can acknowledge with the B button on controller (q on keyboard). You have 7 seconds to do this for ATC drops. Make sure you do not release until you are under the new speed.

 

what about ACSES... cos I remember also ACSES used to like stop beeping once you went into suppression (and acknowledged of course) and kept it until you got under new speed restriction (I know the difference between ATC and ACSES )

 

Ok. I found a better solution: put the lever into emergency - key out - forward - max brake. This will cure the train.

 

The implementation of ACSES is actually more accurate than previous MTA EMUs in the m8. For ACSES, you do not need to actually meet the brake rate, you simply need to stay under the imaginary penalty curve.
The one ACSES bug in the m8 is that currently the penalty is unrecoverable in all cases if you cross the curve. It should be recoverable (a rolling release once you meet the new speed) unless you don’t acknowledge the alarm before you encounter the curve. This bug is known.

 

I think the stop markers at Stamford Yard are too close to the switches. I doubt that trains actually stop there to create an emergency.

 

so kinda like in Harlem Line it is safest to just brake in advance according to track monitor, I guess?

 

Exactly, it is best practice to anticipate the speed drops and brake early. Should make the driving experience much easier.

 

Example there is a section with speed limits of 70 60 70 50 all with a few miles. So about mile from the 1st 70 I put full brakes on until I get to 45. Once at 43 I release them but once released brakes all still applied and I come to complete stop until I loose the red box . Then I can move on again.

 

It's less of a time constraint as it depends on how fast you are going. The speed at which you are travelling will dictate how quickly you will exceed the hard PTC brake curve, so for instance, the higher the travelling speed, the less time you will have to react to an ACSES curve reduction; ie, 75>60 less time than say 50>40, 60>10 even less time than 75>60. Once you exceed the brake curve, the penalty will apply. I'm pretty sure that said penalty, when incurred in this specific instance, is unrecoverable. ATC induced penalties *should* be recoverable; so I think if they aren't, then that is a bug.

All this being said, if you're running into ACSES brake curves with the HUD on, then that's just irresponsible running, especially with the ridiculous amount of schedule padding on these timetable runs. Ideally, you should be running in a way where applying min brake to 35% brake is enough to get the train slowed down for the next speed restriction before you reach said speed restriction, regardless of whether it is a permanent restriction or an ATC signal restriction.

 

Can you record this and post? Would be able to better explain why you're getting penaltied in that situation, because normally, you shouldn't. It suggests there's another factor at play here. Sounds like you're talking about the section of track around Rye and Harrison. I've run through there multiple times and only gotten penaltied once because I ran into the ACSES curve for the 50.

 

I tried uploading a video but video is to big in size so I cant do it.

 

There is a forced ATC drop in the area that requires you to get below 45.
Remember for ATC, you must also acknowledge after you achieve the brake rate. In the m8, there is an additional new feature where returning to coast prematurely will cause a brake penalty. However, its implementation is mixing with a separate long standing bug causing phantom penalty brakes when you return the master controller to coast in certain circumstances. This issue is also known.

 

Hello Everyone,
Here are some bugs I found so far;

• Car number repeated on the Cab Display Screen
• Some beam showing at Grand Central Ladder Track O
• Third Rail on Track 108 at Grand Central Terminal Interlocking
• Hole near the Elevator at Track 4 Platform of Rye Station
• The trash bin at Track 4 Platform of Port Chester Station is disappearing and reappearing when zooming in and out.

Should I submit a ticket for all of them?

Thank You

 

I know, but I am always like, the track monitor shows it, but lets wait for the balise to give me speed drop and then brake, to see if the system works as it should (or rather to see if it gives me enough of an advanced warning)

 

I know, tho I usually wait till the system gives me advance warning

the thing is, I dont remember what caused the penalty application... I think I was going pretty low speed, like 30, and it showed 15, so I thought lower percentage should be enough, pressed acknowledge as well, and despite releasing below 15, the brakes didnt release... so it might have been ATC, dunno... will have to replay the service and see if I get it again or sth

 

You’re a risk taker! There is a very small window between the alert curve and penalty curve so you still have a chance, but you gotta act fast as soon as you hear the alarm.

 

yes please bug each separately

 

nah, I am just like... I dont have the route knowledge, and IRL you dont have track monitor, so I kinda wait till system tells me ... I use track monitor more like a reminder, ok, lets have fingers ready on keys for braking and acknowledge

 

I believe that section is somewhere between Port Chester and Cos Cob

 

Funny enough, I still got penaltied for an ATC drop even though the brake rate light was illuminated and I had acknowledge the alarm; same video I posted earlier in the thread, coming into Melrose lol (47 min mark in video). Was braking for the 75>60 and then got an ATC drop to 45. Brake rate was achieved prior to getting the ATC drop, acknowledged, still got thrown in the hole. #RIP

 

did it occur after you returned to coast? If so, was the ATC overspeed indication stuck on on the right screen. That’s the current bug I was referring to.

 

I noticed that FPS is higher when you drive Amtrak trains, then when you drive M8's. At the same time, on the same day, with the same weather, in the same direction.

 

Welcome to the party pal

 

Watch the video lol. I never touched the brake after I set it to 57%. Still penaltied me haha.

 

Is this a feature of the MTA trains or the lines MTA owns? It’s becoming clearer to me now that Amtrak’s visible acses countdown braking curve only happens on Amtrak owned portions of the NEC. You pointed out in the launch stream that the acs64 switches in and out of cab signaling mode when getting on and off the NEC portion that MTA owns. I’m not 100% sure about this, so maybe you should do a livestream that explains the differences between the two styles of speed governance, haha

 

That's what youtube is for bro

 

I feel your pain. that has happened to be too

 

Yea im old and dont do things like that lol

 

That’s an odd sequence yea. I wonder why it wasn’t letting you acknowledge.

was that the only time the ATC didn’t allow to acknowledge after achieving the brake rate?

 

reading these replies, looks like what I got was ATC penalty... even tho I did brake and even tho I acknowledged, when I released at like 13mph it still stopped me

anyway, will try that same service when I get back from work, see if I still get it... if yeah, I am not touching this DLC till next patch

 

That bug is annoying me now apart from that im actually enjoying more then I thought I would.

 

yea I' rather get a penalty brake than the unrecoverable penalty brake

 

Definitely a bug with the M8 and ATC, because in TSC, when running the M8 with the NEC development mod, there is no penalty bug, but I have a feeling the logic in TSW is more advanced than the mod in TSW, I could be wrong though

 

It’s a feature of the mta trains. The underlying tech of the ACSES curve is the same, but Amtrak equipment shows the curve, while the metro north equipment does not.

Brandon (cactusjuice) may have a better answer on the signaling part of your question, but essentially metro north displays its signals with letters (N,L,M,R,S) while Amtrak shows them as full names (clear, limited, medium, slow, etc).

 

In MN territory, Amtrak uses the same Metro North in cab signals, but I notice with the Amtrak trains, the penalty is not like the M8. As long as you put the Amtrak train into suppression until the indicated cab signal speed is reached, your good. Once outside MN territory (Shell interlocking), after 2 signals, Amtrak operates with clear, limited, medium, and slow in cab aspects

 

Really nice route, I’m loving it ! My favorite so far. Still I have found some bugs that I would like to share to make the route even better.

• The North East Regional Amtrak’ coatches don’t have there passenger lichts on at night, nor can you put them on when playing the Amtrak NER and pressing the HEP button for more then 5 seconds
• The side windows of the M8 have no water druplets effect when it’s raining. when u start underground at GC and riding out of the tunnels to bionicle garden there is no effect
• CSX Q701 starts with a stroke of water through the loco
• Also on Q701 there is a lot of clipping with walls, threes and other assets to oak point yard
• Also on Q701 The crossings sound is Bugged on several roadcrossings @riverside yard lead to oakpoint yard
• Also on Q701 the scenery at the start area needs a bit of work it really looks like the end of the route and lacks detail and does not look finisht yet u will start a timetable there
• The alarm indicator of the SD40-2 does not light up when going off only the sound.

 

I bugged the following internally: the others I need go have specific locations and ref