you do have the original timetable if you want to go back to. I can’t never go back to it. I’m having lots of fun with it and have been able to complete over 100 services.The new timetable is very complex. There are some issues with some( 3222,3930,3936)The problem is when you spawn in some services,depending where the AI trains are on the map, one AI train may come stuck behind a signal and cause a domino effect. it you want to finish 3930 you have to spawn in on free mode around 800 at Trenton and take over the Service. Some of these services have to be flagged and might have to do some manual adjustment with the AI trains. The Harlem line had similar issues with some services that the only way to complete them without having any AI train getting stuck was to spawn in on free mode mode before your planned service start. I know is not a fix but a work around. Another issue you might run into are not able to take over some AI trains. Yes NYT has lots of bugs. Too many
Is this Route fixed to where I can install it into TSW4 and play the large timetable on PC? Or should I still wait a bit and keep it on TSW3 PC/Steam/Ryzen 7/RTX 3060
A ticket that was placed for no AI driver on all ALP46 was closed but reason given. Can you guys please give more information on this.
Red Light issue: AMTRAK ACS64 - 98 Miami - NY Penn leaving Trenton at 10:05 - Timetable Mode All okay leaving Trenton until approaching Edison Signals will enforce reducing speed until requiring a stop at a red light Investigating via F9 map reveals 2 or 3 AI trains stuck at Metuchen Situation does not resolve itself Workaround Spawn on foot at Trenton at 10:00 and take over this AMTRAK train when it arrives at 10:03. Note that the train key / reverser handle is not able to be inserted, but the locomotive is still drivable and you can complete the service.
Played the 15:25 New Brunswick to NYC run by spawning on foot and when I did the cold start correctly the train only maxed out at 10 mph instead of the assigned 100 mph 160 kmh max speed.
Has anyone noticed trouble with some of the buildings not lighting up at night? Specifically, some of the larger commercial buildings near Sunnyside and Newark don’t light up, while other buildings nearby do light up. I’m using JetWash’s excellent lighting mod. I’m assuming it’s a DTG issue? Either way, it’s a stinker. NY isn’t some desolate ghost town, it should be well lit at night. Anyone else experiencing this?
So I'm now used to checking a few spots on the line (NY Penn, Secaucus) when I first load up a timetable service to make sure that there are no red light stand-offs that would make it impossible to complete the service. For the most part this system works--if the traffic is flowing freely when the simulation starts, it should continue to do so. However, I have encountered a new wrinkle. While playing service NJT 3278 (ALP-46, starting at Rahway at 20:50), traffic is flowing freely in Penn for the first ten minutes, but then Acela 2124 service from NY Penn to Sunnyside Yard gets stopped at a red signal after leaving its platform at 21:00, despite no oncoming traffic. This eventually causes a backup into Penn as services can't reach their intended platforms. The Acela is still sitting there when my service emerges from the tunnel and stops at a red light, around 21:30. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the Acela is stuck. I believe that there were other services that went ahead of it towards Sunnyside between 20:50 and 21:00 (when that service is supposed to depart) without issue. Just to double-check, I spawned on foot in Penn Station at 21:00 and the Acela 2124 departed and had green lights into the tunnel, no problem. So I am doubly confused. Typically the solution to a service that can't be finished is to spawn on foot a few minutes prior to the service and take it over, but in this case the problem doesn't develop until the simulation has been running for a bit, so....?
I haven't checked this one one yet but there are many services that have similar issue. Some of the temporary fix for finishing a service is to start either 5 or ten minutes before on free roam.Sometimes that works if you are actually able to take over the train from AI.In some instances the train you take over just can' t be move. Some examples of The services you can't complete are 3222,3930,3936
Well, in this case, spawning on foot five minutes prior does not help. Not only can I not take control of the service (brakes don’t release), but the red light Acela issue still happens, now fifteen minutes after spawning into the sim. It looks like the dispatcher clears a path for another train, that hasn’t even arrived at NYP yet, to continue all the way through into the East River tunnels, instead of giving priority to the Acela that’s scheduled to depart. But again, if you play the Acela service itself, everything is fine. So weird.
I've a ticket open about not able to take over some AI trains in NYT. Still no reply from DTG and no mentioned that they are aware of this.
DTG Matt DTG JD , Wanted to list all the known issues on NYT. If I missed any please add to the list *PIS not working on AI trains *Interior lights not on during the day * Passengers system not working *Ai train tail lights not working *AI alerters going off *some AI ALP46 trailing behing have headlights on * AI trains missing AI drivers https://www.xbox.com/play/media/Rci36Z2j3n https://www.xbox.com/play/media/kfVygv4cb6 *Signalling The AI don't obey or don't have them implemented as they seemed not affected. Inconsistency, inappropriate progressions, approach limited 45 before Cab Speed 80 between Metropark and Rahway, the phantom drop to Approach Limited 45 between New Brunswick and Edison, progressing all the way down to a restricted aspect upon entering Metropark, only to jump right back to Clear as soon as I made the station stop. The numerous drops in the tunnel approaching NY Penn. The restricted aspect upon entering Trenton. The penalty brakes as you enter Trenton, Newark Penn, Newark airport stations. *Below is an Acela service heading south showing some of the signaling issues just mentioned https://www.xbox.com/play/media/uzz8MFCa5d https://www.xbox.com/play/media/e4ipbWLwKH https://www.xbox.com/play/media/UbaZPH65Zw https://www.xbox.com/play/media/DCaAh2Ww9s *Players still can't take over some AI trains outside Penn and Trenton stations. Even using the I’m stuck reset simulation physics” doesn’t work. below are clips demonstrating the issue on several free roam sessions https://www.xbox.com/play/media/Ta7f7NtVRZ https://www.xbox.com/play/media/65A3HYGJDF https://www.xbox.com/play/media/zUemwj7VDG * So here is the list so far of services to avoid, 98,642,3930,3210,3222,3234,6222,3825,3936, 3228,3828. Most have AI trains stuck around *Recorded 30 seconds of the route ambience in audacity: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AmUam9bd9z-NgZcsG40LkbyhuD1lWw?e=YpeV0w The clicking sound overlaid over the traffic noises (This was recorded at Trenton) is omnipresent the entire length of the route. If I miss anything please add to the list
The clicking sound or water sprayer sound has been confirmed by Matt to being fixed. That's on his list
*Large buildings throughout the route, especially around Newark and Sunnyside not lighting up at night. Other buildings lighting up too late after sunset. Generally poor night lighting.
Hi! I have a little issue with the atc/acses speed restrictions on this line. I've found some unexpected speed restrictions that come with no audible alerts (and no signals/speed posts that I can remember).. the maximum allowed speed just drops 1mph every second or so, with no warning, until it settles to a new speed limit. One example of this happens while crossing the bridge right after Secaucus, towards Trenton where it drops from 90 (I think) to 60 over the bridge. I think this is the case of a line speed reduction, and not an acses imposed restriction, but the fact that comes with no warning, and with no visible signs along the line, often gets me by surprise. I am not familiar with the atc/acses system, nor with this line in real life, but I managed to get comfortable with the examples shown in the tutorial and this case is not there. Is it a normal behaviour, and I just have to learn exactly where the line speed changes are? Or is it something that needs to be fixed? I find it quite difficult because there are no speed posts that I can remember along the route..
On us railways, you'll rarely see speed limit signs so you have to remember all of them. In terms of the slowly decreasing speed, that's too slow you down in advance when there's an upcoming speed reduction. You have to like stay below the braking curve I believe. This is on the alp46 right?
Yes, it happens in the alp46. I don't recall this happening with the acs64, but I might be wrong. Thanks anyway! I'm more familiar with German routes and the German signaling and security systems.. I need to practice a bit more!
This is all essentially correct behavior and implementation of ACSES. The maximum authorized speed (MAS) shown on the display will decrease ahead of a line speed restriction. The game will not penalize you (in AP points, I mean) if you are above the speed curve during the decrease, but if you don't stay under the curve, you risk having the ACSES system hit you with a penalty brake. Rule of thumb: when you see the decrease start (it's a green bar on the ADU of the ALP-46 and Multi-level Cab Car, and a digital readout on the Amtrak equipment), if you weren't already braking for the upcoming speed limit, put the brakes into "suppression" until you're under the new speed limit and you'll be fine.
I’m really confused and torn about this route. I really wanted to be my favorite, but it’s turning out to be my least. I’m very familiar with the NEC and I have been on this route several times, especially since I am from the area. When changes to the route were announced, I was over the moon excited, seeing as it was a disaster when it was first released. Some of the changes that are supposed to be in route are not. No Freight Traffic (only in scenario,mode) There are absolutely no passengers at any station Pantographs were up, but are now down… again The Passengers lights on the NJTRANSIT trains, are off during the day, when the should be on at all times (like Amtrak) I know it seems tedious and anal, so to speak, but it’s the attention to the smallest detail is why the authenticity in this game is so great and you take pride in that. I hope these changes can be made to this route and you guys put the time, effort and detail that you do with other routes. Particularly routes that are not American. This route has so much potential, think of it as the American version of the BML.
DTG where is NYT patch or patches? You are still selling still broken addon (i.e. passengers) since tsw4 release.
You'll generally get these 'instant' speed restrictions when approaching the station and it needs to switch you off the fast main to the slow main right? I noticed 5 or 10 seconds before it hits you with this it will have a small audible beep/alarm?
You actually believe they’ll do that? Pretty sure they only brought it to TSW4 only so people will buy the game.
Not really. But they did mention it again in the newest roadmap. My point was that DTG need to stop making promises they won’t keep. It’s truly amazing how poorly NYT has been handled. It makes no sense and benefits no one, not customers, not DTG. The best way to manage expectations is to underpromise and overdeliver. Sure, it might be expedient to release an unfinished product, but that comes at the cost of damage to the brand and loss of future sales due to lack of customer trust.
Well said. If only Dovetail knew what this does to there reputation.. they are already loosing me as a U.S customer because of the false hopes they spread to the community.
Although it is a popular artery route, it is actually a bad route. I want them to fix it quickly so I can play it properly. It's a shame because this is a route that can be enjoyed at high speed. It is currently not working properly and is not in the play environment. What happened to the Americans? ?
Don’t know if you know about this, but Dovetail has this “tactic” where they say they are going to fix an older route and promise future updates, just for them to make newer, “better” routes to take our attention away from said older route. Just for them to stray away from these updates leaving the older stuff to rot away in a terrible state.
As has often been the case, we drew the short straw with NYT. Naming and shaming brought us a revised timetable, albeit minus all the freight layers that Joe had placed, but there's still aways to go before this route is at an acceptable level of polish. When it will be properly patched is anybody's guess. As for porting any improvements to TSW3, nuff said already ^^.
Remember what was said by DTG: The improvements won't be ported into TSW3 until the performance in TSW4 is acceptable. Therefore if they don't get TSW4 right they don't have to do TSW3 either. QED.
That’s right: don’t bother fixing it, no need to port it. That’s the DTG way. Lol If this were SimRail, this stuff prob would have been fixed within days. Problem solved, happy customers. But no…
I bought Trenton in the PS5 sale (60% off). Performance was alright (not great) until I entered NY Penn Station, where the game became a total slideshow. The route is garbage though. You have absolutely zero clue you are anywhere near New York City. I’ve travelled to New York via Newark/New Jersey and the Manhattan Skyline dominates the view. You cannot miss it. Yet in this route, you can - because it’s completely absent. You could be anywhere in the world whilst playing it. Disgraceful.
Agree. NYC skyline is awful. Someone that lived there for twenty years , I can tell you is really bad trying not notice it. LIRR,Harlem, and NYT all have suffer from it. If you go to sunnyside yard and look towards Northern Manhattan you can actually see mountains. Yes mountains. Unfortunately I don’t see this ever being fixed. We can only hope the fix all the other issues that can make NYT more enjoyable, especially now that it has a good timetable.
Not to mention that a lot of the buildings are unlit at night. What is this, TSW NYT: Hurrricane Sandy Blackout Edition? The stretch between NYP and Newark looks like the middle of nowhere, almost pitch black at night. Crazy. Lazy.
The skyline is terrible on this route. Although I don’t live in New York, it’s very noticeble that it’s absent. I used google earth and looking on the highway next to Secaucus Junction you can blatantly see the NY Skyline. Really makes me mad that Dovetail decided to re-use scenery and go the lazy route.
Malfunctioning/incorrect signal progressions, AI trains with their alerter's going off, and bad fps. The problem with signal progressions is that the in cab signal drops the signal before you even see the signal in question. It's especially bad when going through the east river tunnels, as I will be approaching at 60 and get down to 15 about a good quarter mile out from the portal into penn station.
Completely agree about the skyline, they could have just used something like what they did with San Francisco’s skyline. this section in particular would work great with that rather than nothing which is what’s currently in the background.
The San Francisco skyline in Penn Corridor was a such a cool concept and it actually looked very good. Too bad Dovetail hasn’t done anything like that since Penn Corridor, atleast from what I know..
Here's another issue I found with service 3849-sunnyside to Penn station 13:33. As soon as you spawn in you derail. The reason is the train you spawn in is stuck with another service 6328 which arrives at the spot at sunny side yard around 11:45am. So if you spawn in at 11:40am you see the train come in a stop with enough space between them. If you spawn in at 11:45am the trains are still separated. If you spawn on at 11:50am or after you see the trains stuck. If you spawn in at 13:30, the trains are stuck, you see the AI start service 3849. It doesn't derail but it takes the stuck train (6339- 14:40 sunny side to Penn service) with it. I put in a ticket in The are when the trains are stuck together https://www.xbox.com/play/media/CrWcY6AzB4 https://www.xbox.com/play/media/3etgWpd5Qq Below is the trains separated which happens if you spawn in at 11:45am or before to watch service 6328 come in to park which happens around 11:43am https://www.xbox.com/play/media/S4dNBLNVKV https://www.xbox.com/play/media/femM3xKcJb https://www.xbox.com/play/media/7HKuD6ewgx https://www.xbox.com/play/media/99cNT9FDLp Also below is the clip of the AI train pulling out of sunnyside with the stuck train. You can see the 18 car formation https://www.xbox.com/play/media/aFDTnH5qFn
It amazes me the NYC skyline is not visible in this route, especially from New Jersey. The LIRR had a skyline but not this, I don't get how that is possible or whose idea was it to not include it? There really needs to be a dedicated US team to come out and do research on the US trackage and scenery. As Preston Blackpool set the bar for what TSW is capable of, lets see if the next US route can achieve the same or even better levels of realism and detail.
The wealth of information available on Google, Apple and Bing can go a long way, and the hundreds of videos about the NEC on Youtube. DTG not being located in the US is not a valid excuse for poor quality, incomplete scenery. Not at all, not in 2023. Particularly in the US: the depth of information available is excellent. And it’s NYC: one of the most photographed places on the planet.
I see that a few fixes have recently been done on other routes. You guys fix this one and it'll be super!
They even fixed some of the recent German route and it jus came out, yet few hours later after launch,it already has a patch...like it's been said NO EXCUSES!!!
2,5gb update for TSW4 NYT on xbox just now Timetable still CTD starting from Penn. video memory error... every time... I'm speechless
