The cab car cannot control the dynamic brakes on the ALP, which is prototypical. I've been told the only reason the control lever has a braking range is for parts commonality with the locomotives
All right- is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? Crossing the big bridge on the way south to Secaucus, the alarm goes off (no upcoming speed reduction, signal is Proceed, no issues) and can NOT be shut off. Then, about a minute later, you get a completely unexplained penalty brake (no, it isn't an alerter violation- I'm pounding the acknowledge button). What the hell is going on? I picked this route up because it was only eight bucks on sale, but now I understand why everybody says "stay away."
I have all safety systems off and the alerters still scream at me every few minutes and as you guess, the acknowledge button does NOTHING. Dovetail still refuses to acknowledge this or bother fixing it. Truly a shame. This route has so much potential to be just as good if not better than LIRR Commuter.
It's a damn shame how LIRR Commuter Took what should have been New York to Trenton's spotlight (And in fact every other American Routes to date). Tbh the only 3 Good American routes are, Boston Sprinter, Harlem Line, and LIRR Commuter (Which puts both the Latters to Shame, but Harlem and Boston Sprinter is very good). It's crazy how a TSW 2020 route went from one of the worst to the greatest American Route in the entirety of the franchise. New York to Trenton has so much potential wasted....cause the devs decided to outright replace it with LIRR Commuter.
I really wish DTG would look into the issue of the trains sounding their alarms on AI-driven trains. It can be quite nerve wrecking at the NY Penn station.
Just did NJT service 3800. Is there an issue with the 24-hour timetable -- core or route-specific -- where the service pattern fails to "roll over"? Train 3800 originates at Trenton at 00:58 hours, and by the time I got to Sunnyside Yard around 3:30am, I noticed that no new formations had entered the map after some point during my run. Amtrak Train 67 should have been in Penn Station when I arrived, and it wasn't. Other middle-of-the-night NJT services didn't spawn. And when I finished the Sunnyside run, left the cab, and tried to take over another train in the yard to do a new service, the game didn't recognize that my previous service was over, and wouldn't prompt me with the splash screen for a new service.
While the trackspeed is not changing, i think there is an acses speed reduction to 60 mph there. If you look at the ADU, you'll see acses drop the speed very very VERY silently until it reaches 60. For some reason, when that reduction hits your current speed, you get into a penalty brake as there is no more time to react. No idea if this is prototypical, also no idea why there isn't at least a sound signal when acses starts going down. It is very annoying. My own solution is not going over 60 when leaving secaucus. but i still get surprised in other places as well.
Also, you will notice that there are several curves that require speed reductions. The speeds shown on the HuD are not accurate, you need to follow the ACSES speed reduction on the console. I seem to remember that most of these are actually 10 mph lower than what is shown. Also, as noted in the post just above, you need to stay ahead of the braking curve that ACSES is giving you.
I enjoy the busy lines for this and Boston- Providence, your signal aspects and speeds are wrong for NORAC; which is what both routes follow. What you call " Apporach Medium" (solid yellow over flashing green) is actually "Apporach Limited". This can also be used for the Sand Patch Grad and HSC, as both CSX and NS use NORAC signals. As some one who works with these signals I'd be happy to assist in getting them right for the simulation aspect.
Yes, looking at the NORAC signal guide, approach limited is a yellow aspect or diagonal over a flashing clear. Approach medium is caution (yellow aspect or diagonal) over steady clear.
The ADU display is listing this. Your speed is correct for the aspect, jut not the name. I've also encountered a Approach Medium aspect, but the speed stays at limited speed, doesn't drop to 35 for speed. Also I just noticed that you get a AP penalty when you are going past the signals, which shouldn't be the case.
This is true to life. When you pass an Approach Limited signal, the cab signals (in Amtrak locos) changes to Approach Medium with a signal speed of 45. There is no Approach Limited wording on the 9-aspect ADU.
Since the update, I can’t turn the knob to turn on the alerter in the NJT Cabcar. To make matters worse, I’m still hearing plenty of alerter alarms going off on passing AI trains. Strangely, if you switch to exterior camera view, the alarm sounds can’t be heard! I’m on XBS.
I think that has always been the case, you only hear it in the cab view. I just heard an AI alerter myself on NYT, seemed to be coming from a double-decker cab car. DW Edit : Just heard another from an ALP-46 on the same service. Edit 2 : And just heard it from both ends of a train led by an ACS-64 with an Amfleet cab car.
I am providing feedback on four bugs that remain unresolved even after the July 9th patch. Here is a summary of the four bugs: Bi-level Carriage Lights: The passenger lights in the bi-level carriages turn on and off automatically depending on the time of day. In reality, these lights should always be on while the train is in service. ALP-46 AI Operation: When the ALP-46 locomotive is operated by AI, the driver character is missing from the cab, yet the train still moves. Amtrak ACS-64 Wheel Motion Blur: The wheel motion blur for the Amtrak ACS-64 locomotive is still problematic. NJ Transit Commuter Train Doors: When operated by AI, NJ Transit commuter train sets sometimes open both sets of doors at stations. Please refer to the video below for further details. If the embedded video below does not display correctly, please follow the link provided below: HTML: <a href="https://youtu.be/TarfCLMe3uk" target="_blank">
The alerters are still going off. Although to me this problem seems somewhat ameliorated by the patch, it is still noticably persistent on your average service. As I mentioned in the roadmap Q&A but it went unanswered, the cab signals still don't match the lineside signals and are much too restrictive. You really can't drive this line with safety systems enabled, even over a year after release and I feel that it's a real shame.
Just updated with last week's patch and...all my progress on this route since the expanded timetable was released is gone. Says I've only completed 80 services, and they're all from the "reduced" timetable. Last week I believe I was well over 200+ services completed.
Thank you for posting this because I thought something like this had happened. It seemed like I lost a lot of progress on the full fat NYT timetable as well. However, because of the problems with safety systems I don't play that route that much to begin with and couldn't be sure. I was really just playing to see if the recent patch made a major difference (spoiler alert: it did not). You have confirmed what I suspected. This current state of NYT is unacceptable to me and should be unacceptable to DTG as well.
Here some things on PS5. After the update the ACS-64 runs with no marker lights when its on the end of a train and the AI Services with the Multilevel Coaches have the front left door at the Cab Car open while driving. If you drive the ALP-46 you have the same problem. If you open the doors on the right side and then close them, the very last door( the opposite of the cab on the Multilevel Cab Car) stays open and you have to close it manually. All trains have no drivers. I think its worse than before.
I seem to have found another issue since the most recent update. The brake handle in the multi-level cab car no longer works like the one in the ALP-46. Holding down the brake increase/decrease key now moves the brake handle through all of the braking notches, where before it would only move one notch per key press. I personally find the cab car almost impossible to drive hudless now, because I can't tell how far the brake handle has moved
I truly don’t know what they “fixed” with the alerters cause the same exact thing that was happening before the patch is still happening now. AI alerters on Acela, ACS, Cab Car, ALP, & double decker cab cars all STILL going off… If this was a UK or German route they’d have this issue sorted out within weeks, maybe days but for us? Nope. :’)
Anyone have suggestions on how to avoid roll back after a station stop on an uphill grade while driving the NJT ALP46 or cabcar? The locomotive doesn’t take power until the brakes have completely released, and there’s no independent brake on the cabcar so that you can do a normal hillstart. -Alan
So is this route still trash? I am sometimes tempted to get it, because I like the New York area routes and how this would layer into the new L.I.R.R. as well. But honestly I'm so done with low quality routes that I am really hesitating.
I would consider the route to be one of the worst U.S routes in the game still. As someone who use to play this route nonstop, it got old quick because of the broken signals. This route honestly looks nothing like New York if I’m honest. The absence of the New York Skyline and crappy re-used scenery at Newark Penn from TSW 2020 really does the route dirty. The rolling stock is a big problem with me atleast because you’ll see the same ALP-46, ACS-64, and Acela over and over it might drive you crazy.
If you only want to get it for the New York - Trenton rolling stock to appear at Sunnyside yard, don’t get it. I play on Series X and it makes my game lag like crazy around there.
Oh, well that doesn't sound too good. By the way, is it static stock only in Sunnyside, or do you also see Amtrak and NJT trains pulling in and out of NY Penn? Anyway, sad to hear if it's still trash. If it was a good route, I'd like to get it, as the route itself seems nice. I already have the Acela as well so it would be good to have another route to run it on. And both the NJT stock and the Amtrak cab car interest be. Well let's hope they make the NJT Arrow at some point and then hopefully they come back to fix this route somewhat. I would like to get it then.
only statics and Sunny side and about 2 NJT and I Amtrak at Penn station. I actually find NYT very entertaining. it's the busiest route for US and in the game. with all layers has around 1,800 services. You are correct about just the ALP46 and multi levels being represented. To be honest I'll rather have that than an empty route. so, you have to take what you got.
But that rolling stock is realistic just like real life. If they tried adding more trains, systems would blow on the consoles. But I bet you would also still complain it's the same trains over and over again.
So you managed to defend the rolling stock shamelessly. Now how about you justify the missing skyline, reused assets, broken signaling and safety systems, and the alerter bug that’s been claimed to have been fixed twice.
maybe release automatic brakes and set some independent (loco) brake... at least in German locos direct/independent brake doesnt lock traction, so you could release automatic brakes, set some loco brake, apply throttle and as it applies release the loco brake... not sure if I am giving advice too late, but well
So I discovered in Timetable mode that around 10:15AM, inbound AI train "NJT-6324-PortalOUT" gets stuck at the approach light to NY Penn Track 1 while the platform is occupied by train "6633 NY Penn Station - Dover", scheduled to depart at 10:30AM (arrived as 3220 Long Branch - NY Penn Station around 9:50AM). However, because of the lone track in-and-out (all other tracks west of platform 1 and dead-end sidings), 6633 is effectively boxed in and can't vacate the platform, so 6324 can't go in and blocks all the tracks around it. Over time, other trains start to stack up behind 6324 and it eventually soft-locks Penn Station. If I remove the 6324 AI train through the map (9), traffic is able to start moving again... After playing around with Timetable mode with different starting times, it appears the AI 6324 train is supposed to arrive on Track 1 at around 9:46 (platform schedule has the AI train as 6320 rather than 6324, for whatever reason), then immediately turn around and leave at 9:48, just before 3220 arrives. If I start off Timetable mode at NY Penn at around 9:30AM, everything seems to flow smoothly. For whatever reason, though, when starting at an earlier time (i.e. 8AM), 6324 gets delayed somewhere and ends up arriving on track 1 after 3220/6633 is already there, at which point the traffic jam begins...
I documented all of this and sent it in to DTG months ago. You're right that it matters when you start the simulation, and the source of the problem is the order in which the AI dispatcher lets the trains through Swift Interlocking, where the Dover line connects to the NEC.
Crazy how this route was released almost 2 years ago and still has so many bugs. I think this route should have been built from the ground up instead of a portion of it being ported over from TSW2020, then extended down to Trenton and expanding on areas that were already developed.
Please fix the signaling on this route. ATC/ACSES is awesome on LIRR 2 and on Boston-Worcester. I'd love to see that applied to this route. The cab signaling enforces 45 mph way before it should. Also, I was unable to complete NJT service 3936 due to gridlock in Penn Station. And the bug with audible alerter from AI trains has returned. I put in a support ticket for that as it's clearly a bug, as opposed to the signaling which is just poor implementation.
Yup, the alerter issue has definitely resurfaced. I really think the portion from Newark Liberty International Airpory to NY-Penn station should be been completely rebuilt from scratch, as part of me thinks it is an updated port of the original route from TSW2020, which went from Newark Liberty International Airport to New Rochelle. The updates with the scenery and the extension to Trenton are great but this route really needs to be optimized and the signaling need further reworking. It is better than when it was first released but still needs a bit of work. I think this is what causes the gridlock and train stalls into Penn Station
I think at this point the best scenario of them fixing it would be they extend the route to Philadelphia (because over 100 mile routes arent out of the question with just trains WCML) and rehaul all the scenery between New York and Newark and then continue the route. Honestly doesn’t sound like a bad TSW6 or 7 base game U.S route..
Would still need a septa license to create a realistic traffic scene otherwise you get players saying it's too quiet
Got the route on the sale and I have to say it's better than I expected. The timetable is proper busy! You see trains coming past you all the time and NY Penn is constantly moving, it's such a great sight. The while the scenery quality is a bit meh on the reused section, it's a really nice route. Great sights, love all the watery bits and the bridges, and the way the elevated tracks cut through the cities. Of course there are some issues, like it has been told several times here, like all the clipping at NY Penn (platforms into trains, and signals inside catenary wires), the constantly going off alarters and sometimes trains driving with rear headlights on. But I really like it overall, it's a nice route.
