PC New German Route Discussion And Rumour Thread

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  1. breblimator

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    Variety is an universal goods \o/ This times we are blessed by wealth :)
     
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  2. Jonne1184

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    Yes that is a good thing and this very route finally brings us some desperately needed variation in German rolling stock. Your suggested FLIRT and 440 would not have done that, as for those like me, who are tired of the German standard cab, which unfortunately basically everything from the 111 to the most modern trains use, this would have ment the same stuff as we already got in nearly every other German TSW content until today.
     
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    Does that also affect the freight version of DB Baureihe 110.3 Deutsche Bahn Baureihe 150 139 und 140 or not? Those Einheitselektrolokomotive versions are designed for freight unlike the 110.3 which was used for Intercity and Regional services
     
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    The BR110 does not have a force limit lever like the BR155, just a tap changer wheel. Like mentioned earlier it's less advanced (which is not surprising even if you ignore the design differences of West/East German locomotives of that era, since the earliest series predate the BR155 by 20 years). It does have a separate electric brake lever though (which the BR155 doesn't have) :)
     
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    I really wish they would nail the sounds for this one and the locos and wagons don't get the "silent treatment".
     
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  6. rennekton#1349

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    Good news. Tsg worked on the sound who helped with many other locos such as the g6, 101, 612, 425, etc
     
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    Mainly worked on the setup and simulation aspects for this train. Sound is just an aspect that needs to be done by someone :D
     
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    IMO FLIRTs are quite unique and interesting because of their adaptability to any rail system, even the USA has FLIRT DMU's and soon Hydrogen FLIRTs. I belive this is also the first Multiple Unit to achive this.
     
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    Yeah. I want squeaky loud brakes, loud thumps when going over switchrails and so on :D
     
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    On the 110 and its kin-

    Back in the 1920s, DRG embarked on the Einheitslokomotive design (later retro-named the Einheitsdampfloks)- one standardized steam loco design, with slight variations which could be used in a number of roles, but had the advantage of parts and maintenance commonality.

    When D(B)B got back on its feet in the 1950s, they applied the same philosophy to electrics, and thus the Einheitselektrolokomotive were born. The original idea was to have just two, a passenger and a freight version, but that plan didn't provide enough flexibility so they would up building four: the E 10 (express), E 40 (freight), E 41 (local passenger) and E 50 (heavy freight). The 10, 40 and 41 were 4-axle (Bo-Bo) and 50 was 6-axle (Co-Co); additionally the passenger locos had quill drives rather than axle-hung motors. The big difference between the 10 and the 41 was that the former had dynamic brakes and the latter (designed for the then-standard line speed of 120 km/h) didn't; and the E 10 was designed to a 140 km/h standard in anticipation of the main lines being rebuilt for that speed.

    For a very long time - certainly when I was a boy in Germany - just about every DB train that wasn't diesel (or steam, there was still some around) was pulled by one of the ubiquitous Einheits "bricks." The big difference was color: the lordly 110s got Schnellzug blue, where all the rest had to make do with dull green.

    The third production batch of E 10s were equipped with new Henschel high-speed bogies for running at 160 km/h, pulling the luxury express Rheingold and TEE trains; these were given serial numbers in the E 10-12xx series and with the 1968 re-numbering were classed as BR 112. The E 10.12s also had a new "bulged" or "creased" front, which was adopted for standard E 10 production as well (starting with E 10-288); this became the 110.3 class and all those still in service at the time Bremen-Oldenburg is set were of that type.
     
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    Well said and also this 110.3 did run the Berlin Duty train from Frankfurt am Main Hbf to Helmstedt via Kassel where the DR BR132 the DLC locomotive for Ruhr Sieg Nord runs the Duty train from Hemstedt Marienborn to West Berlin.
    Video of the Berlin Duty Train US military.

    Bremen Oldenburg needs to unlock a 1980s Main Spessart Bahn scene at Laufach where the 110.3 103 111 overtakes a DB BR194 Krokodil if applicable to do so
     
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    Yes. Yuo can do this on most locos (including the aforementioned BR143/112.1), but it's a bit easier on the BR 110.

    Of note here is that these are not the same BR112's as currently available in TSW; those BR112(.1)s are based on the former Eastern German design that also led to the BR143.

    For those who'd like to know:

    The German numbering scheme is quite a mess sometimes.

    - in East Germany, electric locos had class designations starting with a "2". For instance BR 243 and BR 251 are electrical locomotives.
    - the west had a different scheme: there, class designations for electrical locos always start with a "1", for instance BR 110, BR120 etc.,
    - in the west, the second digit of the class designation indicates the use:
    x0x for 200km/h intercity services (BR103)
    x1x for regional passenger services and sub-200km/h intercity services (BR110, BR111)
    x2x for mixed use including 200km/h intercity services (BR120)
    x3x for freight (no examples come to mind)
    x4x for mixed use (BR141)
    x5x for heavy freight (BR150, BR151)
    x8x for multiple voltage locos (BR180, BR181)
    x9x older freight locos (BR191) and currently reused for multiple voltage locos (BR193 Vectrons)​

    When the east and west reunited, the newly formed company (DBAG), decided to stick with the western numbering scheme. So all the former east German locos needed to be renumbered. Sometimes this meant that the "2" for a former eastern electric loco became a "1". For example, the BR243 became the BR143, as the number was available and it was indeed an electrical loco intended for mixed use (x4x).

    But sometimes just subsituting the "2" with a "1" clashed with an existing west German loco. For instance, the BR251 couldn't become the BR151, as there already was a BR151. So the BR251 became the BR255.

    And here's where the true mess begins.

    The BR143 quickly became the mascot of the newly reintegrated railway system, both in the public's eye and in politics. A loco designed by the east Germans that was perfect for use in the west. It meant jobs for the struggling east, as still more could be built, and helped acceptance of the new fellow countrymen by the former western population. Under political pressure, DBAG was basically forced to order more of the BR143 then they really needed (some instead of the BR120 that they initially wanted to buy more of).

    But the BR143 was inadequate for a lot of services in the west. While it was powerful and accelerated like a champ, it was way too slow at a vMax of 120 km/h. So tests were carried out to modify the loco. A few units were customized with new axels allowing for 140km/h. This (small) series was dubbed the BR114. But... there already was an entirely different loco designated "BR114", namely a subseries of modified BR110s that could run at 160km/h. So the numbering was quite confusing. Those modified BR110s-that-were-dubbed-BR114s reverted to their original BR110 designation in 1993 and served the rest of their lives classified as 110-485 to 110-504.

    But 140km/h still wasn't enough. But then someone remembered that DR had a loco capable of 160km/h: the DR BR212 (dubbed BR112.0 after reunification). It would be way cheaper to take that into mass production instead of mass produce pre-modified BR143s. That lead to the BR112.1 we know today, and is available in TSW.

    The BR112.1 differs from the BR112.0 in looks (see below) and in specs like better axels and LZB support.

    The BR112.0, BR114 and BR143 all look pretty much identical from the outside (some have a slightly more aerodynamic roof). Most notably, on these types the white and red lights are behind seperate circle shaped glass doors. The BR112.1 on the other hand, has the white and red lights integrated behind the same circular glass door.

    Fun fact: last year a the BR112-024 was repainted in the old DR livery by its owner WFL.
     
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    Instead of going through all of that, they should've just named their locos. after Thomas & Friends characters...
    Would've served the purpose much easily XD

    ( Thanks for the info. though )
     
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    And in the meantime, the surviving BR 112s (W) were renumbered 113, to make room for the incoming 112s (O).

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    Just to confuse things further, the DB system for numbering diesels is completely different....
     
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    the route looks good but I wish they would had added RS4 to nordenham
     
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    Litte real life comparison of the interor (bad Screenshot unfortunaly, as matt just couldnt stand still inside the coaches ^^

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    Does this also apply to Diesel Locomotives and multiple units DB AG Deutsche Bundesbahn numbering. because in the former German Democratic Republic which is written as Deutschen Demokratischen Republik Deutsche Reichsbahn 1xx are diesel locomotives and multiple units 2xx electrics
    3 does exists an example of a Locomotive there is DB Baureihe 132 E32 Bayern link is from German Wikipedia.
     
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    I'm thinking based on the chat on stream the 648 train is in development
     
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    OMG... The diagonal stripes are the wrong way around... /s
     
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    or it could be a different loco. Won't know until achievements get leaked or TSG's route comes out which people are speculating has the 648
     
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    I saw the stream yesterday in good time before the German national soccer team was kicked out of the World Cup tournament. Somehow I missed JD at Matt's side, but Benjam from the fishing department did a good job too. Only the volume was turned down a bit on him. What can I say, n-wagons, finally n-wagons in TSW - a dream came true! Seeing so many active layers in the menu, if you have the appropriate DLCs installed, was also amazing. A highlight was of course the bascule bridge and the barges passing through. It's great that you can even paint on them in the Livery Designer too. Couldn't find any cats this time, but presenting the "Bremer Stadtmusikanten" or the Bremer town musicians (a famous fairy tale) as a collector's figure was also a great idea. DTG and donkeys, isn't there something... ;)
     
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    No, with diesels, the second digit tells you very little.

    In the west, the diesels used to be classed according to their power. The higher their tractive power, the higher the number in the class designation. This meant that a V60 and a V160 existed simultaneously, the first being a light freight and shunting locomotive and the latter being a powerful four axel "big diesel". If they were simply to add a "2" to the former and change the "1" to a "2" for the latter, you'd end up with two very different locomotives classed as BR260. So that's not what they did.

    Instead, they decided that a "2" would be added to two-digit class designations (so the V60 became a BR260), and add a "2" and drop the last digit in the case of three-digit class designations (so a V160 became a BR216). This way, everything fits inside the rule that a class designation should always be a three digit code. In the case where variants of a class existed, they were renumbered in different classes. So, for example, the (famous) V200 became the BR220 and the V200.1 became the BR221.

    Class designations starting with a 3 denote a diesel powered shunter or light freight locomotive, like the BR323 locomotor (KöF) and BR363. Note that the second digit doesn't mean anything here either.

    Fun fact: the BR260 and BR360 are the same locomotive. They were repurposed from freight to light freight/shunting in 1987, and DB changed the first digit to reflect this. The BR363, as depicted in TSW, is a BR360, but refitted with a more powerful Caterpillar motor and remote control, which earned it it's own class number to differentiate it from units that have smaller engines.

    The installation of radio remote controls initially earned them the BR364 (light duty design) or BR365 (heavy duty design) designation, but in 1997, the Maybach engines were replaced by Caterpillar engines, again cause for a renumbering. These refurbished locomotives are classed as the BR362 (light duty design) or BR363 (heavy duty design, as depicted in TSW).

    In the east, diesel class designations all started with a "1". So the East German diesels were renumbered from 1xx to 2xx after reunification. That's why the DR BR132 became the BR231 (and BR232 and BR233 and BR234... but that's another story).

    There was some confusion over the East German V200, which is a very different beast to the West German V200. Yet both got classed as BR220 after reunification. You can't have everything I guess.

    That the second digit has no meaning, is only the case for diesel locomotives. In steam locos classification, the second digit does mean something.

    Steam locos classes always start with "0". The second dgit denotes the type of use for this loco:

    00x - high speed services (BR001, BR003)
    01x - same as above (BR012, BR018)

    02x - passenger services (BR023, BR024)
    03x - same as above (BR039)

    04x - heavy freight (BR041, BR044)
    05x - same as above (BR052, BR059)

    06x - locomotives with integrated tenders (BR064, BR065)
    07x - same as above (BR073, BR078)

    08x - freight (integrated tender locos, BR081, BR086)

    09x - special locos, separated in sub classes**:
    097 - Island operation* services (integrated tender locos) regardless of make or model
    098 - rack/cog steam locomotives regardless of make or model
    099 - All narrow gauge steam locomotives regardless of make or model​


    *island operation as in a railway not connected to the rest of the network in any way, not necessarily on an actual island, although that can be the case of course.

    ** the 09x range also includes the BR093 and BR095. Although very powerful tender locos, there was hardly anything special about them. Atleast not so special to warrant a 09x classification. I'm not sure why they weren't classed in the more suitable 06x or 07x range, other than perhaps their output power.

    For the full picture, here's the complete numbering diagram:

    0xx Steam loco
    1xx Electric loco
    2xx Diesel loco
    3xx Diesel light freight/shunting loco
    4xx Electric (multiple) unit or power car
    5xx Battery powered (multiple) unit or power car
    6xx Diesel (multiple) unit or power car
    7xx (classic) Railbus power car and self propelled track maintenance vehicles (diesel or electric), as well as redesignated locomotives for track maintenance trains like the BR755 (a redesignated BR143 otherwise unmodified)
    8xx Control cab cars for pairing with electrical locos or power cars
    9xx control cab cars for pairing with diesel locos and diesel power cars.

    Fun facts:
    - All ICE's are classed in the 4xx range, except for the ICE-TD which is classed als BR605. This makes sense, as the ICE-TD is the only diesel powered ICE train.
    - ICE trains also have a unit number, that doesn't come with a class prefix. This is the four digit number that's printed on the side of the power car in a big bold fond, below the passenger windows between the nose of the train and the first door, next to the big ICE logo.
    - BR403, BR406 and BR407 are all referred to as "ICE 3". The BR403 is for use within Germany and Austria only, while the BR406 can also run to Belgium,. Switzerland, The Netherlands (ICE3m) and France (ICE3mf). The BR407 is a redesigned BR406 with different power conversion system and a new nose to comply with newer, stricter crash test regulations.
    - What constitutes a "railbus" is apparently up for discussion. The famous classic railbus (VT95) is classed as a BR795, but it's modern day spiritual successor is classed as BR650.
    - Control cab trailer cars (8xx or 9xx) are usually code matched against the class designation of their power car. For instance, the BR901 is the control trailer car to the BR601 and the BR995 is the control trailer cab to the BR795.
    - No German logic comes without an example to disprove it, so the control cab trailer car to the BR402 is not the BR802, but rather the BR808.
    - Speaking of the BR402: that power car is a drop-in replacement for the ICE 1 power car (BR401) if needed. However, the reverse is not true as the ICE 1 power car (BR401) lacks a full automatic coupling to connect two ICE 2 units together.
    - While we're on the subjct of ICE class designations:
    - There are two train classes with the "BR403" designation. The 1973 Lufthansa Express and the newer ICE3 from 1997 that is depicted in TSW.
    - The BR404 was planned but never built; it was to be a two voltage (15kVAC and 25kVAC) version if the ICE3 for future foutes to the Czech Republic and Poland, but these plans never materialised.
    - A BR405 was planned, but never built: it was to be a three-voltage (1500VDC, 15kVAC and 25kVAC) version of the ICE3 for use on routes to France and The Netherlands. DBAG instead opted in favour of a larger scale order for the four-voltage BR406 together with the Dutch railways (NS).
    - Dutch Railways (NS) owns BR406 units too. They are identical to the German ones, but of course sport the NS logo instead of the DB one. The NS units are maintained by DB and often drive in pairs with DBAG BR406s between Amsterdam and Cologne-Frankfurt-Basel SBB. They used to be the only units in NS' fleet to not use the NS 4-digit class system (instead classed as "BR406" like the German ones), but NS has since added BR186 and BR193 locos to their fleet, all classed in the German numbering system too.
    - The BR409 is the administrational designation for the Thalys PBKA units partly financed by DB (but owned by the Belgian SNCB) and not printed on the units.
    - The BR410 is a prototype/test ICE​

    Bonus fun fact:
    - Any class designation where both the second and third digit are 8's, denote a museum loco or unit. So the 088 is a museum steam loco, the 188 is an electrical museum loco etc. This is regardless of the original class of the loco concerned and this number is usually not printed on the machine for aesthetics and historical accuracy.
     
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    Thanks for the Explanation and for DTG they can make Bremen Oldenburg Old timer pack for the 1990s made up of DR BR119 DB BR219 DB BR220 made in Ukraine M62 DR BR120 DR BR104-106 V60 DR BR211/242 West Germany DB BR120 211/212 then to balance the DR BR211/242 DB BR141 & 132.
     
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    pls the REWE one (green) first; would be awesome!!
     
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    I have to limit my consumption. These time travels are getting tiresome :D
     
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    That's cuz it takes into account the red 155. Locos that are the same get the distance shared if that makes sense.
     
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    Yes, this is the reason, for sure :)
     
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    Red Colour version has its own achievement called Power Surge 1550 km. Also the Pressnitztalbahn Baureihe 155 can count for power up reach level 10 on the Red Colour 155 Bahnstrecke Hagen Finnentrop Siegen Ruhr Sieg Nord. You are also seeing this on the American Freight routes basically Sand Patch grade owners can simply unlock the 500 Miles requirement AC4400CW Union Pacific Cane Creek. Same route with the combined expansion pack you can actually unlock the 100 miles requirement clinchfield RR SD40.
     
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    Do you actually mean the power surge achievement 1550 km for the Red Colour version from Bahnstrecke Hagen Finnentrop Siegen Ruhr Sieg Nord? The easiest way I've done it for myself was simply forcing it to spawn on my most played route Bahnstrecke Leipzig Riesa Dresden Verkehrsverbund Oberelbe Nahverkehr Dresden
     
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    A small thing but I am curious, is this fixed for the Press? A graphical glitch, when leaning through the window (angle-dependent):

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    I wouldn’t mind seeing them since they operate in my home town :cool:.

    I think probably the only full DB spec train operating in North America.

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    The Ottawa O train and for TSC fans DB BR 648 is from the Kiel-Lubeck route.
     
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    Amazing DB red in Canada. Just checked: OC Transpo comes from Canada. Exactly the same train runs through my hometown every day too. Just not in DB red, but in Abellio black/grey. Thanks for sharing, I also found some pics of it on my laptop! ;)

    BR648 in BBG.jpg
     
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    If the BR232 Ludmilla from the top picture would roll through your hometown ... THAT would be an event.
     
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    The parked Ludmilla is 232 088-5 and now belongs to SRS (Salzland Rail Service). They bought part of the station site from the city, since DB sold the entire station years ago, and also use it as a locomotive parking lot and as an office. However, other diesel locomotives from other railway operators are also often seen here or are parked, when their freight trains have been delivered or locomotive parking spaces are required. So never gets boring!

    two examples:
    Ludmilla vs. Vectron.jpg

    ...looks like I'm the number 1 picture supplier in the forum at the moment! ;)
     
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    So I just took a look at BRO, Oldenburg Hbf, and again we have trains departing with "Nicht einsteigen" for the n-wagen cab control car.

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    Yes I waited until the train got "active" from the AI, this is why the doors are open in the screenshot. Why are those errors repeated again and again?
     
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    How then the 766 and 767 3rd-gen Dosto cab cars?

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    Interesting that the ICE 1 and 2 have 4xx-series numbers, despite not being EMUs. I suppose "40x" was set aside from the start for bullet trains of whatever configuration
     
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    fixed \o/
     
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    I have a new favourite locomotive in TSW3 now :)

    Few bits of feedback - this is based on nothing more than a couple of runs in the 110 & 463

    Firstly the positive stuff
    • Dynamic weather in journey mode - a very welcome surprise in my first journey when the weather changed from clear, to light rain and back again to clear.
    • On the whole the route looks very nice and the loco whilst challenging is really fun to drive
    • Raildriver support for the BR110 is good
    Now the negative stuff
    • The Raildriver support for the Bnrdzf 463 step changer is quite frankly appalling, sometimes it will step up one notch and others will step up 5 notches causing the MCB to cut out, why you used the throttle for the step changer is beyond me, the range or estop toggle would have been a much better fit.
    • Speed limit in the BR110 is limited to 140km/h yet in the Bnrdzf463 the line speed limit is 160km/h and from what Ive seen the timings need you to hit 160km/h to keep to the timetable. Can we have consistency please?
    • The red square on the throttle lock on the 463 shows red when the throttle lock is off on the HUD
    • Performance is below BCC & other TSW routes for me, with stutters and freezes far more frequent & noticeable than on other TSW3 routes in multiple places but mostly around Bremen.
    • Stopping points seem very hit and miss with the stopping on the marker resulting in the end of the train over hanging the platform (and over a level crossing) yet plenty of platform ahead.
    The more I drive the more sloppy and rushed it becomes, Ive got a bitter taste of disappointment and buyers remorse.
     
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    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    I think this route could have been more than what we got. I don't like the reasons why this or that wasn't included. I just look back at the rush hour routes,and the TSW3 launch routes and know they can do better. Looking at the bremen area some of the branches should had been included. All we got was from Bremen to Oldenburg. At leat the branch line to Nordenham should had been included in my opinion

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  41. cadeshr6s

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    The 110 has a top speed of 140kmh. So you are Not allowed to go faster
     
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    So ergo when in the Cabcar being propelled by a BR110 you speed limit should also be 140kmh surely? Or is there some quirk in the real life operation rules allowing it to go faster if propelling?
     
  43. deeuu#6908

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    This is such a bizarre post, you start off by saying you have a new favourite loco, you list a few minor bugs (you'll say the performance isn't minor, but it runs extremely well for me), and you finish with a last line that makes it sound like the route is unplayable.
    I swear sometimes you people just buy the DLC to complain about it...........
     
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    Yeah, I also don't get it. Even more so, for me the 140kph speed limit is working on both ends. Step further: If you do know about the speed limit for that particular unit being 140.... Just drive 140? In the 425 or 423 on other routes iirc we also get a speed limit that is the line speed. I just drive max 140kph so what? There really are more important issues
     
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    When the service timings don't marry up to the 140km limit it's an issue, it might not be for you and that's ok. But if everyone had to get agreement from the rest of the community before posting issues which matter to them nothing would get mentioned and we might as well close the forums down
     
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  46. cadeshr6s

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    Yes also Just 140kmh
     
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    Well, I haven't had an issue driving on time with the 140kph limit :P
     
  48. SHELBY230586

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    the signal box in delmenhorst DF doesn't quite fit...
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    I'm more worried about the scenery wasteland in front of it in-game.
     
  50. driverwoods#1787

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    Was this used to be the Delmenhorst Marshalling Yard which is written as Rbf Delmenhorst or not? If Yes then the route could get a Deutsche Bundesbahn treatment with Baureihe 290-294 working alongside the 363 with tracks up to the Interlocking Tower US terminology for a European Signal Box. 110.3/141 N-wagen together with 150 151 run the current pattern with some services bound for the Dutch city of Groningen via Leer
     

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