New Route: Rosenheim - Salzburg Discussion Thread

But why would they put that in such prominent way into the teaser? They didn't have to. But they did. And as it was explained before, it's not the first time DTG also goes the extra mile. It doesn't happen often, but sometimes it does. They tried the park railway in Dresden. They planned the airport branch in DRA. They did the suspension railway in Wuppertal. They put in the wanderer train in Meißen as well as on the one uk steam route. They put a lot of effort into scenery buildung for BRO. So it's not thaaaat unlikely that they might go the extra mile for Salzburg-Rosenheim.

I think Lukas even said that they developed the loco back then for Dresden-Riesa. We might see this one for in Salzburg-Rosenheim? All of course a bit of wishful thinking.

 

I'm sure, we won't have new Dostos. Why should we? I think the ones we have are accurate for this, iirc. And what Update do they need? I think the PIS should work, but other than that are the Dostos not -technically- fine?

 

Proper TOD4 support. The only ones that have been adapted are the VVO ones. Probably some Bahnland Bayern stickers too.

 

Tod4 is not something you just do simply. If they only update the dostos without the route being tod, you get weird lighting effects so to do it properly, the entire route needs to be updated which can take at most a month. It could take less time but it's still a lot of time

 

I'd just wish for proper sound for the Dostos. They don't sound like a Dosto should, well, they don't sound good at all in TSW. I really like the Dostos in real life, but driving the cab car in-game is just... boring and doesn't feel right.
And of course it should show the correct Fahrstufe of the 111. Only the one that came with RSN had it, but of course the DRA and HBK ones should show them too when a 112/143 is behind.

 

Yeah but Salzburg-Rosenheim is a brand new route. It's going to be TOD4.

 

Which means only that dosto would have tod4 support along with dra. The others from legacy routes couldn't get tod support without upgrading the route or you have weird lighting problems

 

They would have to do yet another Dosto then, at least cosmetically, because the DRA version is boldly marked "VVO"

 

Yes, that is what I've been saying from the start.

 

I personally don't really get why the route ends in Rosenheim but not in Munich as for example the HS railjet express trains doesn't make a stop in between at all.

 

Well the route is "kind" of enclosed, and with 90km also has a decent leght for a tsw route. First they have to proof its coming up to the expected quality standards. (But since im not a DTG customer anymore for various reasons discussed, a hard pass for me.)

 

Yeah this is for me a dealbreaker if there is no new or better implement sounds! The Dosto on DRA is very very low quality

 

No thats impossible last year... Meridian is since years now active on this route.... So thats the reason why DTG choose 2010! Later DB is not the operator anymore

 

Vienna - Salzburg mainline is pretty much the busiest corridor in Austria, I believe it has like 30% of the whole Austrian rail traffic going on... which is also the reason they are upgrading the line gradually to high speed and at certain sections also to 4 tracks... it also has its S-Bahn, some of which lines go into neighbouring countries, even Lichtenstein as for rail traffic it thus has pretty much everything from the most regional to longdistance

so I am hoping also for RailJet, even if only as DLC

 

yep... Taurus is pretty much Austrian national loco, so it serves everything from light and heavy freight to longdistance highspeed... and Vectron is also getting a fair share of space - lately there has been a new version of Vectron introduced for OBB NightJet and CD Comfort/RailJet, approved for 230 km/h (most passenger versions of Vectron have vmax 200 km/h) and also gotten its brand new Vectron shaped/equipped control cab

all of which would be incredibly cool

 

since it is Austria, I would love to see also Desiro MLs aka CityJets, I'm a huge fanboy on those

 

and I am more into modern rolling stock... but as long as it is electric, I dont mind even older stuff

 

maybe even 1216, that one has more multisystem capabilities

 

Munchen - Nurnberg cough cough if they did that one, I would go nuts

 

Man please answer in one post it's almost spamming there

 

Agree on the Taurus- if DTG is going to continue to do Austria, they simply must do the ubiquitous, do everything OBB locomotive- especially since it's a simple mod of the existing 182.

 

not quite directly related to this route, but since you mentioned dostos, BR445 would be nice, basically looks like a dosto version of 442, but kinda more sleek and nice

 

I was replying to multiple different posts, dunno why the forums put it that way... anyway, sorry, but I was checking those posts couple at a time and replied to them as I went through, didnt really have time to have one longer post going on O sorry for the inconvenience O

 

That route probably will get the achievement "Boring Route"

 

To be honest, all routes can be described as boring because everyone likes different things. For me, I think us freight is boring, but others love it

 

yea but we have like no vehicles for that route. only the 111 is fitting there even the 185 should be to new for that route

 

Well, the first 185 was delivered in 2000, so it's not really too old. Even the 185.2 were delivered between 2005 and 2010 and are allowed to run in Austria since 2009. The route seems to be placed in 2010, so the 185 are quite fitting for the time.
Of course it would be nice to see some other freight locos instead of 185s all over, but it's not like they're not suited at all.

You know you can use multi quote, like I did here? Especially since you did the same thing after someone told you already not to answer in multiple posts...

 

What? Thats not correct.... 101+IC and maybe a surprise with a 111 and n- wagen for the RB services?! 628 for AI and 628 for Salzburg Freilassing and dont forget the 4024 for the same area

 

if u look on the cargo then there should be the DB Br 152. and there will be many services with 101 but thats just because we have no Eurocity and Railjet in the game..

 

I will guess the RJ service are not gonna happen in the game. On the Bludenz Lindau route they are not implemented as well.... So only IC/EC running by DB is even possible. All Services replace by 101 and IC coaches are not realistic. You have to think about the EC services from Klagenfurt/Villach and from Salzburg it self for IC/EC Services wit the 101

 

No, the BR152 was not certified for Austria and would not be seen as much around this route (even though they were allowed to drive until Salzburg). The 185.2 is well suited. Also the 182 could be seen as cargo loco on a regular basis.

 

Correct the 152 is not possible in Austria. Only until Salzburg Hbf!

 

MRCE locos (both in black and the old Siemens Dispolok silver and yellow) would also be appropriate. I'm not 100% sure about the Railpool 185, but that one should be fine too, it's just the Vectron that's too modern, and even that's only out by two years.

 

Freight locos that we can use are: 155, 185 182 Passenger are 111 628 n-wagens Dosto 4024 612 ICE1? 101 182 so there is enough to choose....

 

Are you sure about the 155?

 

Yeah sure... The is DB is accepted until Salzburg. The 152 is even accepted and you see them rare occasions as well... Salzburg Hbf or even Gnigl is the borderstation to change traincrew! Early days Freilassing was officialy the border but now days Salzburg is the border for passanger and for DB freightrains.

Here is a 152 video in Salzburg Hbf

 

Oh, up to and including Salzburg you mean? Sure!

 

Yeah there is a crew change/loco changd at Hbf or the large freight terminal Gnigl direct outside Salzburg. With the passenger trains the EC and RJ are not stopping in Freilassing. IC services does stop at Freilassing.

 

An exemple is the IC to Berchtesgaden... This train will split in Freilassing. The front will terminate at Freilassing and the rear goes to Berchtesgaden after are loco change in direction... After it have brings his passengers in Berchtesgaden it will return to Freilassing and will stay for the night there. It will be a fun service for TSW to prepare the train for his run to Berchtesgaden. Its a very strange way of fitting this train.... It will come from Rosenheim and it will split up in 2 parts the loco had to change ends and will bring the train to the hills in Berchtesgaden. In TSW the whole steps will possible until the train leaves to Berchtesgaden. Very cool to do!

 

Surely they will just enable substitution for it with a 0 percent chance of the AI doing it? This will at least allow players the opportunity to drive slightly unrealistically if we want, but won't screw up the immersion for the purists.

 

You can just use the free roam mode.

 

Yes, but the missing passenger service functionalities make it 'meh'. But then again, DTG has the tendency to release timetables with broken services (*cough* not being able to decouple *cough* broken dispatching *cough* broken AI services blocking the rest of the simulation - looking at you Maintalbahn) soo yeah. I don't know.

 

Yes you can say that the Maintalbahn is not the best but other routes i have no big issues with it.... Bludenz Feldkirch there where less issues and 99,9% are fixed and for other routes like Kassel Würzburg the same.

 

The way the substitution system works makes it quite complex to set it up like that, sadly.

That sounds fun. I hope we'll get to do some loco changes as per reality.

 

What do you mean? I definitely recall Matt P talking on stream about that being possible: modifying the probability of a substitution occurring. In theory that should then also allow you to set that probability to 0%, meaning the AI will never take that train, but still allowing players to select it from the UI?

 

I guess Gnigl will not included so that you drive to the main station where youre train stops.
See the picture below how its there now days and it explains what a extra work it will bring...

 

You can only set the substitution probability on the loco being replaced, not on what is being substituted in.
So the percentage applies to ALL the locos that could substitute, rather than specific ones.

So you can't just restrict the Vectron from substituting in randomly, it will restrict all possible substitutions from randomly doing it.

 

Can you describe this in the same way as a quickdrive setup in TSC editor?

 

Another thing with Salzburg Gnigl it's a hump yard which means it must have a dedicated loco to it in Austrian railways documentation for the route a Verschrublok ÖBB Baureihe 1163 or 2070