New Route: Rosenheim - Salzburg Discussion Thread

Lazy DTG.
I have obsessive.I cant accept inaccurate floor on high platform.That's why I never play dostos.

 

A nice but for now missed opportunity would be the Wittenberger Steuerwagen. It was used on that route with the 111 and n-Wagen or Dostos. It would be great for a loco DLC though. Come on, DTG. The Vectron was a proof of concept that loco DLCs are extremely welcome and hopefully for them financially regarding. TSW would benefit a lot from more loco DLCs

 

Hamburg-Lübeck is the only route where the low floor Dostos are inaccurate. Everywhere else they are accurate to in real life.

 

For me its a useless discussion but more for the fanatics a point.... Im a German content fan but this kind of points is for me a bridge to far.... For me a missing first class is more a negative thing

 

You should stop expecting DTG going "the extra Mile", even if its the correct choice in this particular situation, it'll end up in frustration regardless. So expect nothing and you might be positive surprised at the end.

However, i find it really interesting to see that DTG more and more just recycles content instead of actually developing new. Anyway, im more fascinated by players who actually defend DTG in their practices. Seems that those DLC still aren't expensive enough (sarcasm)

 

To play devil's advocate for a moment, first class is also purely a visual difference and doesn't influence driving physics or anything...

 

To be fair everything in TSW is visual…the routes we play on are purely visual. I don’t really get the mentality of DTG getting a pass because they have to model a new coach - that’s kinda the point of a train simulator isn’t it?

HBK was done so dirty, they barely changed the 143 & slapped 112 on it. The rolling stock on that route does so much damage to its reputation, really lets down what is an otherwise high quality DLC.

The pattern of omitting correct coaching stock is becoming a growing issue. There’s what, the dostos, Flying Scotsman rakes, IC cab car, 801 buffet car & now it’s the OBB amz.

 

Fair enough but how many trains run with it in reality? Way more than the difference between the 2 dostos i guess

 

Well, looking at the train from the outside, the position and size of the doors is a much larger difference than a thin yellow stripe and a number.

 

The first class is way more than only a stripe and a number right?!

 

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That is an extremely slippery slope though. By that definition, all the game would need is a floating cab since everything else is purely visual and doesn’t impact the driving experience. If we’re pushing it, a floating camera with the HUD would even fulfil our needs then.

 

Alex says this is 'likely' their next route.

 

another semi good news is that the ÖBB class 1116 and it's coaches from the later upcoming Semmeringbahn will layer into Rosenheim-Salzburg. while it isn't exactly a Railjet, I believe it does mimic it in a good way for the route. can't wait.

 

Imagine what we could get if we just made floating cabs and waved off the rest to invest the dev time into physics and proper systems instead. We could use it to train new drivers and call it a zug simulator, or for short, zusi!


But yeah, if there is distinct lack of something in german content, it's passenger wagons. We got dostos with RT, IC wagons with 101 and n-wagen with BRO. Rest is just reskins. And what is worse, basically none of those layer almost anywhere, so you end up just with dostos everywhere, with other services simply missing from the timetable. Which was excusable for some time, but it's really visible nowadays, most routes lack any sort of variability in passenger stock.

 

Just watching the yesterday's Q&A, there was a clarification of layers for this route (along with a confirmation that this will probably be the first addon to be released next):

• DB BR 101
• DB BR 103 with heritage IC train
• DB BR 628
• DB BR 363 (red)
• DB BR 193 + Eanos
• ÖBB BR 4024
• DB BR 185
• ÖBB BR 1116 after Semmeringbahn release

The setting will be year 2013.

 

BR 363 in Red is the biggest surprise. With the amount of blue 363s released you would almost think they accidentally deleted the red version! Good to see it has been recovered.

 

Not the 193 but only the Eanos wagons.... De 193 Vectron was in 2013 not there

 

Hum there was vectron in 2013 but it was really more a project locomotive

 

Well, finally i might have to buy it then

 

Correct it was a white 193 model but not ready for large scale of operations.... So there was no 193 on that line

 

My only question is how they will layer AI in Rosenheim? Towards Holzkirchen and Kufstein there are 425 in service.... So 628 and all other trains are not correct....

 

They are?
All layers (besides the 103) can be seen regularly on the Route irl. 628s are still used on the Brachline services on the Route even today. I suppose Rosenheim will get a lot of freight, RE, IC and EC services as AI i guess, as the direct route to Innsbruck branches off there, so the 1116 layer may include the Bologna/Rimini Eurocitys from munic

 

In the Roadmap stream they said the route was set in 2013, so before the private operators started running the show. Also, the Vectron is included in the layers. The confusion stems from Matt first saying the 'Vectron plus EANOS didn't run in 2013, but we included them anyway" to later clarify that only the Vectron did not run in 2013, the EANOS wagons did. But they did include the Vectron in the timetable for this route anyway.

 

Didn’t he say it was just EANOS wagons coming, not the Vectron.

 

Yeah he meant: If you own the Vectron, you'll see the Eanos waggons. But not the Vectron itself.

 

BR 101, 4024 and 103, wow now that makes me even more excited, yay

 

Is this route a busy corridor for IC services?

That’s really the only thing I’m looking for with German content these days, I feel like the BR 101 still hasn’t had much chance to shine. It usually gets a short route with a decent chunk of services, or a longer one with only a couple of runs.

 

Mainly also because of the missing cab car...


About the timetable, that's 2023/24:


Not sure how it was 10 years ago.

 

Well I guess this won’t be the route for IC running. Hopefully we get the EC/RJ/NJ included as with KWG.

As for the cab car, yes that is a problem & I’ll never understand why they thought it wasn’t worth doing.

 

Yeah for Rosenheim is only the 628 a diffrent layer! In reality the 425 are the other local trains and sometimes you can see a 4024 to Kufstein but i have no clue how often... All other trains are the ones that you can drive.

To Holzkirchen 425/426
To Kufstein 4024/4023, 425/426
To Münich 425/426, 111+Dosto, n-wagen+111
To Salzburg 425/426/n-wagen+111(to RB Traunstein/Freilassing) 111+Dosto(RE Salzburg)

Fernverkehr RJ IC+101 CNL+101/120

 

no 1116?

 

Should be there. Didnt they say in the q&a that itll layer in for freight and with semmering stock on some EC Services?

 

RJ For sure night services are a different story.... The most trains runs onder DB flag but there was a period that the DB has an agrement with the OBB to change locos.... So the DB has OBB 1016/1116 you see them in the IC services around Stuttgart and Munich and the OBB get some DB stuff.. Same like the OBB and MAV! You seen sometimes 470 (1016 equal locos) for local trains around Wörgl.
IC services are 99% 101 or 120. Loco change in Salzburg or driving inside austria. The 120 was not accept in Austria sofar i knwo

 

don't really know about freight (probably didn't listen properly ) but as far as I understood the 1116 with it's coaches from the Semmeringbahn will layer as passenger services onto Rosenheim-Salzburg and probably also with some playable services (hopefully)

 

1116 worked Austrian ics on the line

 

Yeah for RJ they are in used!

 

No not railjet normal Austrian ics

 

What? No! The 1116 is the RJ loco special create for this trains... Its an better version of the 1016 special for the RJ and lines to CH Hugary 1116 has 3 pantographs and the 1016 2! 1 is for Switzerland with the small profile

 

They also work austrian ics

 

Nope. Some 1116s got a retrofit and Railjet paint, but they weren't specially ordered for the Railjet. You're thinking of the 1216.

 

Yeah this locos could run EC and IC in Germany and Austria but there are mostly for RJ in use.

 

Okay but that make no sense they are in use for the RJ for International services that was i mean... 1116 was a later order for locos right? And they have the CH panto

 

I wonder what they mean by that. Properly it would be the original red/beige coaches inherited from the TEE- would they go that far? Or in this case does "heritage" just meant the purple-stripe Produktfarben coaches?

 

wait you say the 1116 has 3 pantos??

 

Yeah 1116 is in parts... some has 3 pantos others don't! 21 does have CH in use

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ÖBB_1016/1116#:~:text=Die Lokomotiven der Reihe 1116,Einsatz in der Schweiz erlaubt.

 

Be realistic mate

 

Also no. 1016 and 1116 were ordered at exactly the same time. The 1016 is 15 kV 16,7 Hz only while the 1116 can also handle 25 kV 50 Hz.

Some 1116s have a third pantograph for Switzerland, some have a third pantograph for Croatia, most just have two.

It's a Linke Rheinstrecke layer, not new coaches.

 

Yeah i already written that...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ÖBB_1...der Reihe 1116,Einsatz in der Schweiz erlaubt.

 

There has to be another option for 1116 Nightjet Brussels/Aachen to Vienna 468/469 Kalman Imre Stuttgart Hbf Budapest Keleti KkStb. They are all routed through here. in the case of the latter one Kalman Imre you need to combine the Zurich section with the Stuttgart Hbf section using the 363. In actual practice an Austrian 1163. Where does the 185 come from

 

As much as I’d love that, I think we all know that it’s gonna be the Produktfarben IC coaches.