New Uk Routes By Dtg From Latest Roadmap Speculation Thread

Quite clearly a mistake stop giving urself false hope

 

most other trains on the chiltern mainline are older diesels, some trains like the 165s are from the network southeast era (1990s) and still run along the mainline frequently. so these trains are still ultra modern compared to what you can see running alongside. same can be said with TPE Class 68 running alongside the older northern trains that run on the lines in the north and transpenine region

 

I feel like Rivet are either making a Scottish route or an SWR route from my begging (sorry Jasper_Rivet ) however the Scottish route in question is probably the West Highland Line - Fort William To Oban.

 

I doubt SWR

Rivet already got denied SWR licesing for IOW 2022.

 

Personally I agree that we are unlikely to see a long route being released in the short term, so I would love to see Edinburgh to Perth What better way to capitalise on The Flying Scotsman's centenary than to have her crossing the iconic Forth Bridge? Throw in the line from Edinburgh to Stirling and we could have some interesting scenarios utilising both Edinburgh to Glasgow line and the Edinburgh to Perth/ Stirling line with freight traffic going down to the container depot and the refinery complex at Grangemouth from the Falkirk Grahamston section.

 

would love to see a small network of lines with multiple branches and services patterns rather than just single lines as routes. we haven't really had many despite opportunities

 

Probably not relevant to this thread but since we're (sort of) on the subject of class 68's, it's just been announced by TPE that from December, there class 68 hauled Mk5's are to be withdrawn from service.

 

where will they go? isn't it only on certain lines?

 

Purely selfish since it's my local line but the Edinburgh - Helensburgh Central route that runs via Glasgow Queen Street Low-Level would be quite cool to see, but for the masses I think the current Edinburgh - Glasgow route has probably sealed the chances of that.

In fairness I think a limited section of the line as far as Airdrie might already be in Train Sim Classic from what I've heard.

 

I think the Chiltern line would be interesting. Since we have it in TSC, it might be more likely to be JT's next project.

 

Apparently the Mk5's have developed structural issues that are uneconomical to repair, so unless someone else can find an economical way to fix them, they'll likely be scraped.

 

I apologise in advance but when I read this, this advert just popped into my head. Sadly there wasn't a clip of the phrase I wanted so just listen carefully from 12 to the 14 second mark (after the shot of the dog shaking off mud next to the bath).

 

Lol I get it.

It really is a shame though, the Mk5's (not counting the sleeper one's) have only been in service for 4 years, it just feels like such a waste.

 

They never ran this route, it was sprinters and turbostars before electrification and the 380/ 385s took over.

 

It needs extensions. I would dreeeaaam of having the entire ecml. I think It should get extended up to Edinburgh and Newcastle at the very least and maybe further north as that is the most scenic part of the line.

 

what will they replace them with?

 

If they could reacquire the GW licence then the Class 801 is ready and waiting to be reskinned and interior refitted for another go at something Paddington westward. With longer UK routes now a reality, the oft requested rebuild of GWE through to Oxford, though for that you would need a 5 car Class 800 bimode as well. Swindon to Cardiff could be a possibility as I believe that section is now fully electrified?

 

If DTG can get their hands on a bi-mode, then it's also worth thinking about TransPennine Express who operate 802 Nova 1s as that licence has recently gone back to the DfT.

(Additionally, a Hull Trains 802 would be a great add-on to ECML PBO-DON - Wiki suggests 7 trains per day each direction all stopping at Grantham, Retford and Donny.)

 

Class 185's will replace them on Scarborough services and the class 802 fleet will be better utilised to take over whatever is left.

 

Sorry I meant 170 yesterday I got like no sleep so I was half asleep and basically just thought 'eh 314 sounds about right".

So yeah sorry.

 

I'd say at most extent it to Lincoln or Leeds/York. I do think a "Leeds lines" route which is Doncaster-Leeds-York would work better separately with the 321 included aswell atleast. An extension up to lilcon central or York would be amazing though.

 

As the route is seemingly in a ultra modern day setting, a class 331 would be more appropriate.

 

That is completely true.

To be honest I just want an excuse for the 321 haha.

 

I understand, the 321's would be a great addition to Tsw although I think it was the class 322 variant the Northern used, please correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

That is true but like the 800-803 they are all extremely simmilar to varying to degrees so they have very similar driving experiences. I usually just say class 321 when referring to both just because that's how it was for the AP pack however yeah, it is the 322 but they are both extremely similar driving experiences.

 

Interestingly it appears that the 801 is substituting in for the Hull Trains 802 already in the timetable - see those services to/from Beverley and Hull.

Not sure how I feel about this to be honest - if we ever get a HT 802 it'll presumably be more difficult to have them substitute into the correct services. The only way I could think of doing it would be to set the LNER 801 % chance to something ludicrously low like 0.01% and the HT 802 to 99.99%. That way anyone who owned the 802 would see it on the correct services whereas the 801 would still substitute for those who didn't.

I'm thinking well ahead here though - as HT is First Group I'm not sure how the licensing situation would be anyway.

 

Interesting good find......

 

Yeah I wouldn’t hold out for any First licenses. Is abit weird knowing that you’d be on an Azuma headed for Hull, but I think this works for the sake of the timetable. You end up with sizeable gaps in there otherwise.

 

I'm assuming you mean Mallaig. The Oban line is a separate branch of the West Highland line starting at Crianlarich. Not to mention it would take like three or four hours to get from Fort William to Oban...

 

Remember there will only be DLC that can realistically be released over one year - until Sept 2024

 

It indeed is.
As someone who lives close to Cardiff, I'd love that as a route. Unfortunately I can't see it happening owing to DTG not being able to reacquire the licence.

We're desperately overdue a Welsh route. Cardiff to Swansea would fit people's wishes for a new modern diesel route, if not with the 800 then with the 175. Fitting as they're in their twilight days. 158s are admittedly uncommon on the line but not unheard of. It would also just be a pretty neat route

One of the Valley lines would also be interesting, either using the existing 150 (with hopefully a LOT of improvements), or the new 142 with the route being set either in BR days or a few years ago.

I'd ideally want them to do the Merthyr line, not just because it's my local station but also because it's got the most history. If they did that along with the Aberdare branch it could be pretty good.

 

Exeter to Plymouth with the Paignton branch would be my top pick for reuse of the IET model. Featuring the Class 802 with an updated Class 150/2 for the local services and layers for the Class 166 and HST. Either that or an LNER Class 800 on a route such as Edinburgh to Dundee or even the TPE Class 802 on something like Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Victoria/Manchester Piccadilly with the Class 331 and layers for the Class 323.

 

I do wonder if that's something JT might have in mind, once they get Ormskirk to Blackpool out the door. Maybe Rhymney (probably the most scenic of the lines) to Penarth and Barry Island. Fairly easy to reuse the 142, negotiate with Rivet for and improve the 150/2 and that would be quite nice.

 

Nahh no way. Best part of the valleys is Abercynon to Merthyr. You truly feel like you're in, well, a valley there. I know a lot of it is my local bias though.

They've gotta do that line because it follows the route of the Merthyr Tramroad. The route the Penydarren locomotive traversed. It was the first EVER locomotive to successfully haul a load. One of the most important pieces of railway history in this country.

 

My bets are on TPE. A route that includes an 802 and a 68

 

It is not always that way. For example, the BR 420 from TSG is expected to use Munich-Augsburg.

 

Here are my predictions for the UK routes made by DTG, I'll provide my top three which DTG could consider (if they have not started development already) for England, Wales and Scotland

England:
1. Chat Moss: Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Victoria via Newton-le-Willows with the Class 802 in TransPennine Express livery and the Class 319 in Northern livery

2. West Coast Main Line Over Shap: Carlisle to Preston with the Class 86 in InterCity livery and also the Class 87 in InterCity livery (and appropriate layers)

3. Wherry Lines: Norwich to Lowestoft/Great Yarmouth via Acle and Reedham with the Class 170 in Greater Anglia livery and the Class 37 in BR Large Logo Blue livery

Wales:
1. South Wales Main Line: Cardiff to Swansea with the Class 800 in Great Western Railway livery and the Class 175 in Transport for Wales livery

2. North Wales Coastal: Crewe to Holyhead with the Class 221 in Avanti West Coast livery and the Class 175 in Transport for Wales livery

3. Welsh Marches Line: Crewe to Cardiff via Shrewsbury with the Class 175 in Transport for Wales livery and the Class 67 + Mk4s + Mk4 DVT in Transport for Wales livery

Scotland:
1. Scottish East Coast Main Line: Aberdeen to Dundee with the Class 43 HST + Mk3s in ScotRail Inter7City livery and the Class 170 in ScotRail livery

2. Highland Main Line: Pitlochry to Inverness with the Class 37 in BR Large Logo Blue and the Class 27 in BR Blue (and appropriate layers)

3. Fife Circle Line: Edinburgh to Glenrothes with Thornton via Kirkcaldy and Dunfermline with the Class 158 in ScotRail livery and the Class 170 in ScotRail livery


These are my ideas on which routes DTG could bring to the table with TSW4 and their two upcoming UK routes, I feel that some of these choices might suit TSW4 with all the new features being included with the game, especially photo mode, imagine a screenshot of a Class 37 going across Somerleyton swing bridge on the Wherry Lines for example

 

Probably the riviera line, berks and Hants, west coast, more east coast stuff probably or erm Scottish content

 

Very good routes, I’d be happy with any of them and it’s nice to see others acknowledging Wales. One day maybe it will happen.

 

Yes, I totally agree and I myself have been on the Welsh Marches back in 2020 on a 175 and it was fantastic, the scenery along that line is on another level and the line crosses the border between England and Wales at various points as well so Wales does need represented regardless of time period, coaching stock, operators etc. Please DTG, make it happen

 

Great find. Any ideas what stream this is from. I’m very intrigued to see what they were chatting about

 

Its from the GamesCom in Germany. Here is the link.

 

Amazing. Thank you

 

That's a layer ... I meant to say new Routes, only what can be released in one year before the game will have to be bought again. Thanks!

 

Sorry TrainGeek08. As much as I'd love these routes i think it's more of a wishlist than a prediction. But one of those is probably a good shout all the same!

 

No worries at all, it does sound like a wishlist however it can be put across as a prediction of what I think could be coming to some

 

I suspect (perhaps hope is the better word) that something WCML would be a logical option.

 

Also worth thinking about 805's too as they are replacing the Voyagers, seen them in Chester on test runs heading off to the NWC

 

It's still probably at least a year before they're in service though.

I can't see a WCML happening so soon after ECML. They'd wanna save it for TSW5, or a big summer release.

 

What ever did happen to TSGs loco addons. They disappeared from the roadmap a while ago. Do you think it was something to do with the UE update when TSW3 was released?