North Wales Coast Line: Crewe - Holyhead And Llandudno

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  1. lucasfor49

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    Experience express, commuter and even freight operations while going through the historical railways of Wales, all while dealing with an onslaught of passengers in Train Sim World 3: North Wales Coast line: Crewe - Holyhead and Llandudno

    Greetings all, today I will be suggesting the North Wales Coast line. This line is a major railway line Between Cheshire and the Isle of Anglesey, A total of 105.5 miles. As well as the main line between Crewe and Holyhead, There is a also a "branch" (its not necessary a branch but looking at a lot of the service patterns for this route it might as well be a branch) up to Llandudno. Also featured in it are some magnificent structures such as the Conwy bridge and Britannia Bridge. The line is NOT electrified meaning Avanti Services used class 221's (Super Voyagers) instead of there 390's on the line. Anyway that should suit the introduction onto the... Hmmmm rolling stock or station list first............ I think, for the sake of my sanity, I will do a quick yet effective station list.

    Station List:
    MAIN LINE:
    Crewe
    Chester
    Shotton
    Flint
    Prestatyn
    Rhyl
    Abergele and Pensarn
    Colwyn Bay
    Llandudno Junction
    Conwy
    Penmaenwamr
    Llanfairfechan
    Bangor
    Llanfairpwll
    Bodorgan
    Ty Croes
    Rhosneigr
    Valley
    Holyhead

    Llandudno "Branch"
    This line braches off after Llandudno Junction and calls at:
    Deganwy
    Llandudno


    Rolling stock:
    Freight/OtherPassengerOperations:
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    The class 67 is a diesel electric locomotive with a top speed of 125mph


    Commuter Passenger:
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    The class 150 in TFW livery


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    The class 153 in TFW livery.

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    The class 158 in TFW livery

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    The class 175 in TFW livery


    Express passenger:
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    The class 221 in Avanti West Coast livery


    Scenarios:
    Scenario 1: Summer Meltdowns
    Train: Class 221
    Difficulty: - 3
    Take this 221 from Holyhead Up to Crewe where you will change with another driver to finish the route down to Euston, Due to signal failures expect delays around the Anglo-Welsh border, However as this train only stops at a few stations you should be able to make up for it.

    Scenario 2: Llandudno Boomerang
    Train: Class 175
    Difficulty: - 1
    Drive this 175 between Llandudno And Llandudno Junction calling all stations then take the train back up to Llandudno yet again calling at all stations: However, a storm is taking place to be cautious of the weather out there.

    Scenario 3: From Ocean to The Skies
    Train: Class 150
    Difficulty: - 2
    Drive this 150 between Holyhead and Chester Before changing over to a different driver to finish the journey to Birmingham International. It is a clear Autumn day in the late morning so there shouldn't be many delays.

    Scenario 4: Special Voyager
    Train: Class 221
    Difficulty: - 2
    Drive this class 221 between Crewe and Holyhead non stop after changing over with the previous driver, however it has been snowing all of the morning and into the afternoon so there is likely to be at least minor delays.

    Scenario 5: On a stormy night
    Train: Class 175
    Difficulty: - 4
    Take this 175 from Holyhead to Chester before letting another driver finish the trip to Cardiff, However, its a stormy midnight so thunder will engulf the air tonight meaning there are likely to be mass cancelations and delays.

    Other notes:
    As you may have guessed this route would use the Rush Hour Passengers to truly add immersion to this route as it would be in real life.

    Map:
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    (Request stops are going to function as regular stops because I don't even want to THINK about the bugs and miscalculations having them as request stops would cause.)

    Anyways thank you for reading, Have a good day, see ya all later. (2 suggestions in a week, Yeah I'm isolating I have nothing else to do honestly)
     
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  2. lucasfor49

    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    Also thoughts on the new format? I'm currently testing out a few different formats so was my EVL suggestion layout or this better? If you can give feedback to the format as well that would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    TrainGeek08 Well-Known Member

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    This layout is better, I lay mine out in a similar fashion so have to say this way is the better, detailed way of suggesting routes/trains ;)
     
  4. lucasfor49

    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    Right thank you, Very useful feedback will add that to my notes for whatever my next suggestion is. : D
     
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    No worries, it looks better this way, much more professional and explains everything fully so more people will be interested in your suggestions :)
     
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    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    Righty, well anyway thanks for the feedback, Ill talk to you whenever next.
     
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    Again no worries :)
     
  8. TSW Nathan

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    Lol, Matt is going to have trouble pronouncing those stations! Looks like a great route all the same! Would love to see a Class 158!!
     
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    It looks fine. To me, as long as I can read it and you've detailed it and specified trains and stations then is great! Don't worry. :)
     
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    Imagine Matt trying to say Llanfair PG lol
     
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    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    Could be worse, It could be the town name : D aka Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
     
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    Yep, no not Matt pronouncing it, the German pronunciation master, JD pronouncing it lol
     
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    XD
     
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    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    This threads feel less like debating the route and more debating who would pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch. Funny but not exactly what I expected from this haha.
     
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    Yeah, there's this thing called being carried away meaning you shift to other topics rather than the main one at hand ;),

    North Wales Coast route questions from here on out, OK... :)
     
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    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking back and I realise the biggest negative to this route is that IRL I don't think there are any services that go Holyhead to Crewe so there is no proper full on route, the closest is the shuttle thing with Llandudno
     
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    Except for Avanti's Voyager services :)

    TfW only go to Chester then onwards to Manchester or down through Wrexham from Holyhead but no worries, TfW also do a Crewe to Chester shuttle with 2 153s coupled together so not all is lost ;)
     
  18. lucasfor49

    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, plus even then the varied route destinations and rolling stock would just make the whole experience more realistic.
     
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    True, true, otherwise it would be boring with 158s and 175s, glad you added the 150 and 153 for TfW services, :)

    If set in the future, the 805s will take over from the Voyagers as Avanti's main units and TfW's old diesels will have also been replaced by the new 197s, so will be a different experience from today ;)
     
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    Semi Modern experience, Also if I am not mistaken the 221 has a slight tilt effect right? Meaning the 221 would be a unique rolling stock for the game.
     
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    Yeah the Avanti 221s can tilt like the 612 from Tharandter Rampe can do so yeah it would be a unique feature for TSW :)
     
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    Oh yeah forget that route exists.
     
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    A route that must come to TSW at some stage. I played the MSTS/OR North Wales Coast 2 extensively and I have the TSC version on my shopping list for one of the forthcoming Steam sales.

    As regards era, I'm a bit torn.

    To me NWC = Class 25/40/47 and various heritage DMU's growling along the route - so BR Classic late 70's/early 80's.

    However if you were going for a slightly more modern route I would say mid to late 90's, i.e, the early Sprinter era, 150's, 156's and 158's. Not keen on the 175 if the TSC version is anything to go by - hardly any traction noise and accelerates way too fast.
     
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    No worries, it's often forgotten as a second Dresden route, Riesa-Dresden gets more love I feel :)
     
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    Same, I don't mind what era it is set in, as long as the route gets made, this has been requested multiple times and needs to be in TSW in the future, needs to ;)
     
  26. lucasfor49

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    Ehh.. For me personally modern would be the best era. The tilting voyagers and unique tfw trains would just give it more variety then sprinter era or another northern esc diesel/steam era route.
     
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  27. matt#4801

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    I would go for late 70s/early 80s with as the 25s are something I'd really like to see and I think the game would benefit from some more 1st gen DMUs.
     
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    Remember the 150s, 153s and 158s, they are Sprinters you know, imagine adding a 156 as DLC, oh yeah, could be a great alternative to the modern era, so I have to agree with Vern here ;)
     
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    lucasfor49 Well-Known Member

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    Ehh that is true.... I just personally feel the route without the 221 especially would be yet another old fashioned northern route like NTP. The main reason I chose modern is the 221 to make the route feel way more unique,
     
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    Fair argument, the 221 adds that modern feel to the route doesn't it :)
     
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    Yeah exactly.
     
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    Sorry to quote you again Vern mate but would I also be right in saying that you would have the 45s doing the transpennine runs if done in the 80s or did they have a loco change somewhere. I am not from the NW or Wales but remember some of the transpennine services at York going to Holyhead and the place beginning with L which I can't be doing with spelling and it has been bugging me all these years but up to now I haven't asked anyone about it.
     
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    What do you mean? NTP is an absolute gem and I feel like BR blue needs more representation in game as NTP is the only proper BR blue route. Just cause something is 'old fashioned' doesn't mean it's bad.
     
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    Never ever did I once say it was bad. I just personally feel like rolling stock shouldn't get copied from other routes etc etc
     
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    That's alright that last comment was more general!;)

    It wouldn't be though as you would have a new 1st gen DMU and/or a class 25. The 40, 47 etc would be layers if you had NTP to beef out the timetable and make it look much busier. This is why I think there should be more BR blue routes because people have complained about how empty BCC line is but if it was done in BR blue times there would be a lot more variety on the route as the 47s, 45s etc are already available to layer in.
     
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    Yep fairly certain Peaks worked along there.

    In fact I've got the Activity list from NWC2 (MSTS), lists the following:
    45048 1D02 Crewe to Holyhead (hey remember when overnight trains ran across the network!).
    45108 1M58 Scarborough to Bangor.
    46001 1D48 Crewe to Holyhead.
    45140 1M63 Scarborough to Bangor.
    45108 (hey they must have cloned it) 4D58 Trafford Park to Holyhead.
    45113 1D64 Euston to Llandudno Jn.

    45140 4H59 Holyhead to Trafford Park.
    45108 1A66 Llandudno to Euston.
    45052 1E08 Holyhead to Scarborough.
    45113 1A41 Llandudno to Euston.
    45052 0Z05 Courtholds to Chester TMD.
    46001 4K59 Holyhead to Crewe.
    45140 1K89 Holyhead to Crewe.

    Nice. Might have to fire it up in Open Rails.
     
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    Thanks for that mate.
    Those were the days! It's crazy to think about how much has changed both for the better and the worse since I first dipped my toes in the choppy railway waters.
     
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    Well composed suggestion :)
    North Wales Coast Line would be great to have in TSW3. With it being on TS classic, one can hope that places it as a strong contender to appear as a future route in TSW. And I would really like the 158 in game too.
     
  39. lucasfor49

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    Realistically it's not even that low of a chance. It seems clear to some extent dtg are trying to "port" more tsc routes to tsw. Assuming they do go for the tfw instead of avirra livery then there shouldn't be to much of licensing issues.
     
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    Bring it on and for DLC why not make Class 805 & 197. The 197 can serve as the base model for Cross City Line 196 DMU. Class 805 can serve as the base model for GWML London Paddington to Swindon via Reading Class 800 & 802 ECML South Class 800 & 801.
     
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    Or they could do BR Classic era and they wouldn't actually need to make much new stock, as already discussed - reskin the SoS Mark Ones into Blue/Grey, maybe add the elusive buffet/restaurant and sleeping cars but the primary locos already exist - 40, 45 and 47. If they wanted to bundle something new a Class 25 or maybe a different DMU type but otherwise good to go.
     
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    I'm confused... the 805 wouldn't even be the 805 at that point. It might aswell be the hiatchi pack using what you stated.
     
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    That brings me back to a previous point, reskined and copied rolling stock with minor changes. People don't like a lot of German routes and the rail loco pack for a reason.
     
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    Agree to some extent, the Regio red and Dosto's gets a bit tedious. However as we have seen with BCC, if DTG did a version of NWC in the modern day we would be very lucky to get more than one train type to run on the route.
     
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    What he means is the model for the 805 can be used to make other IET classes, doesn't mean an 805 will appear on the GWML ;)
     
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    That's opinions for you, people won't always agree with you ;)
     
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    Correct and it also applies to 197 by making it into a BCC 196 DMU
     
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    True :)
     
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    Makes sense re reading it, kind of replied just 10 minutes after waking up from a midday nap haha.
     
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    No problem ;)
     

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