Quick description of the route. Drive along this beautiful northwest Wales (Cymru) coastal 76-mile route during the mid 80s (around 1984) hauling long freight and passenger trains in train sim world 4 on the North Wales (Cymru) coast line: Holyhead and Llandudno to Chester. Intro. Hello, I would like to suggest the North Wales (Cymru) coastline (Holyhead and Llandudno to Chester) for Train Sim World 3 because it is a very scenic route that is in my opinion barely talked about by people. Plus, it has in my opinion the best layering potential out of any route I the British Isles. Which I would later discuss in this post, but I think this will be a great route for Train Sim World 3. Rolling stock (excluding stock that would be layered in). Motive power Br (British rail) class 47 type 4 mix traffic engine (in double arrow, intercity and Railfreight liveries) (with head code boxes without head codes just marker lights). Yes, I know we already have the class 47 so why add it to this route. Well, we don't have it in any of the liveries suggested that it would have and yes, I know it's livery designer compatible but having this with these liveries would allow the route too not be all Br blue everything, so it can show early sectorisation which NTP (Northern Trans Pennine didn't do). Also, class 47s were extremely common the route as they were used for a ton of duties and so the route can be like a intro to the class for new buyers/enthusiasts I think it should be featured heavily on the route but not as the main loco that would draw people in that's the next loco. Br (British rail) class 25 'rats' type 2 mix traffic engine (in Br blue) (with both variations of the front of its cab) Before I said the class 47 wasn't going to be the mainstay of the route instead it is the class 25. The class 25 is a very requested locomotive by the community that wasn't added to NTP by dovetail. The class were used across the Br network alongside the class 47s and were the second most common loco found on this route during the 80s hauling a ton of trains. Also, these locomotives would fix a problem that I would later be rectifying later in this post. Br class 108 dmu (blue and grey) ok this one wasn't on the original post when i added it to the thread but due to people suggesting it for dlc I've chosen to instead add this to the main motive power of the route as due to research the class did operate on the line. Also to the people who suggested me adding it and giving me info of the dmu I thank you sincerely. Coaches Br mk 2d (in intercity and br blue grey) ok here me out before you start saying why not mk 3s. Well, the thing is one they were never used on this route and two they look the exact same. The reason why I haven't put down mk2as are because they are too common on Br blue routes made by dovetail and are used incorrectly. As most of the time they are used they are on a route at the wrong time or were never actually seen there. Also, these coaches will be TSO and FK form/configuration there will also be brake versions which I assume would be BCK or BSK etc (due to sources I've been using not telling me). Br mk 1 (in br blue and grey and intercity [in bg version though]) too make this very brief these coaches were pulled by class 25s on their local duties.
Wagons. Br VGA wagon Br intermodel freightliner wagon. Br mk 1 GUV Br Cement wagons Br OCA wagon Br VAA wagon
An example of a scenario for the route. Thunderbird 5 or 2 is go (difficulty high). Go help be a thunderbird and rescue a class 47 that has failed on a intercity train at Llandudno taking the train to Chester where another train would take it. Before shunting it at the local TMD. Training to put frankly training will be on and off route determining on how people want to be taught how to drive the locos. Map of the route Notable stations on the route llandudno junction llandudno holyhead chester conwy Bangor
Timetable For this route the timetable would be based of the lines 1984 timetable which I don't have but there will be a link on the last post for it). Which would have 47s on express freight and passenger while 25s will do the local version of those duties. Timetable of Northern wales (cymru) where timetable for the line during the mid 80s can't be recreated on here due to the worry of copyright. British Railways Timetables (2d53.co.uk) Layering (in) For layering this will be quick but 40s and 45s will layer onto the route for express duties. 101 for commuter and 31 for freight. With other locos like 8fs, jubilees, 52s etc being used for Railtours or excursions. Class 33 if in Br blue would be added for excursion and express trains. For class 37s and 31s added as main rollingstock there would be a separate timetable for the 90s which would include the locos. Also, mk2as would be from NTP for trans Pennine trains from the route pulled by 40s or 45s. Plus Br brake van, coal wagons etc from SOS and MGR from TVl for coal trains with ballast hoppers from WCL for engineering trains. Layering (out) To make this extremally brief rolling stock will be used on Br blue era routes with 25s only going to DLOTGW and NTP. While 47s go to any Br blue route bar DLOTGW. Also, coaches will be layered on to any route plus both locos will be on WSR. DLC Late 80s expansion pack for the route with intercity 125 with Ruston paxman enguine relivered 47, 31 150 etc with the possibility for 47 dvt pulled trains if wcml is added with dvts particularly mk3 dvts. Finals words I hope you enjoyed this suggestion which took me nearly 2 hours and I hope DTG might make this a route in the future. sources i used Railways of North Wales 1975-1983: holyhead:menu (2d53.co.uk) (has timetable if you want to know more) North Wales Coast freight and passenger operations 1980s - UK Prototype Questions - RMweb Llanbourne North Wales in the 80s. - Layout topics - RMweb Llanbourne Junction OO gauge model railway layout (keymodelworld.com)
Great suggestion, would to see this route in this period. You would need a DMU, the class 101 would sub in although the majority of Chester class 101 sets were power trailer sets not power twin sets. A class 108 would be very suitable DLC. The class 31 would also work well on this route as would the class 45.
I fully endorse this route suggestion. Good route in a great era with plenty of potential for layers and substitution.
When I was checking through my sources for this route it did say 101s and 31s were used. However 31s were introduced later after the withdrawal of the 25s so that's why there is a separate timetable for them. Also I forgot to add the 108 dmu to this post so I'll do it now thanks for reminding me. I originally didn't add it as only one of my sources mentioned it but now I'll add it under locos not as dlc. Now I have a question what do you mean by they weren't in power twin sets they were in power trailer sets are you implying push pull or...
Brilliant suggestion mate and I would really adore to see more BR blue routes and locos in game and this would definitely fit the bill and would be worth my £30 everyday of the week.
Power trailer sets were where only one vehicle had engines or motors so a set would be formed DMBS and DTCL Power twin sets were where both vehicles had engines i.e. DMBS and DMCL. Not all of Chester 101 sets were power trailer sets but most were, of course it isn't a particularly important point, although a power trailer set would be more of a challenge to drive.
Just did some research and 108 dmus worked from Chester to Crewe which is not the terminus of this route so I can't add it. However if lets say there is a 1980s wcml to crewe then I can add it as dlc or as a extension to crewe which would allow for potential merging if in a similar period.
Would love any welsh route (expesially this one).. I had suggested this route ages ago but set in present day..
If you don't mind could you post the pictures you have of them doing those services or at least tell me where I can find them online. Which would be gratefully appreciated.
Well they are in some books I have at home. If you look on the Railcar site you may find some there. There were class 108's at Chester, Allerton, Newton Heath and Longsight and would have been common on the north Wales coast I am sure.
Hey guys I was wondering if you guys know when the RHTT used in sehs came into services as if it's around this period of the route it could layer in.
Chester based 108's at a variety of North Wales locations. https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/class-108/sets/20
thanks for the info guys i will try to update the post before midnight as it is currently 9:30pm where i live (exactly).
Excellent idea but the length is 84 miles provided you use Railmiles engine by using Holyhead start point and end point of Chester. Huddersfield Line NTP can give this route 101 47 45 DLC 08 & Class 40 Heavy freight pack. My question is this can a Class 108 DMU actually run with a Class 101 Daisy DMU as a combined set or not?
When I was researching the class 108 dmu I found out that you had instances where you would have a 108 driving motor then a 101 dmu trailer I think, well section without a cab. So they can work as a combined set with or without mu working.Also I've already mentioned in my main posts that ntp stock will layer in.
There were often cases of a three coach DMU having vehicles from three different classes and manufacturers. The Scottish region in particular was well known for having odd hybrid DMU formations during the 1970's and 1980's. For the majority of classes were able to work in multiple with each other. Ones with different control gear, for example the early Metro-Cammel lightweights and the Derby lightweights and the Craven class 112/113 sets were withdrawn early on as BR had more DMU's than they needed due to all the line closures in the 1960's and early 70's.
Oh guys do you know anywhere (online) I can find a timetable for soem of the stations on the route as I want to attempt to add a timetable section so I can see what needs to be changed.
Units of different classes can run in the same 2/3/4 car sets, and sets of different classes can be coupled together.
Just changed the original post of this thread to include a dlc option I've thought of. If you want to suggest your own feel free to do so.
I've just letting everyone know I've added a link to the timetable of the route during the mid 80s under the timetable section of the original post. I couldn't recreate the timetable they had due to it being complicated and the risk of copyright.
\ Thanks and in my opinion the north and south Wales (Cymru) mainline during the 80s would provide a feel like ntp. The best route currently in my opinion (until gwe, wcl and dlotgw are fixed) (also if a wcml, gwml or south devon mainline route is added) due to it having a ton of stock and feeling mostly complete (it would be entirely complete if calder valley line is added in same period) compared to other routes with their destinations or mileage. Though a issue is the recent glitch not allowing you to sit down in mk2a coaches and some timetable problems but that is it.
hey guys if this route is made with a route introduction scenario should the narrator speak with a British ascent of a Welsh (Cymru) ascent?
A British accent could be anything from Kings English to Scottish or Welsh so yes they do sound different. There is not one accent which is British but many different accents British people have. I would assume you meant a welsh accent and a southern English accent (received pronunciation) which is what many people assume everyone in Britain talks like.
An excellent suggestion that would make a good boat train link with a potential route on our wonderful isle of Éire!
Thanks mate, if ireland was added particularly dublin we could have a route transfer like button to get from this route to a dublin route due to the ferry between the uk and ireland.
