Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

The general lighting looks good in TOD4, but I find the eye adaptation makes everything look way too bright and washed out when looking forward from the cab. I also find the ground and glass textures way too reflective, which makes them shine too much when you are driving towards the sun. The flashes when entering the the tunnels are just disgusting...

Also the F40PH's and ACS-64's cab has some issues with the new lighting, which is pretty annoying.

 

I have only tried the Acela so far with the route in its TSW3 guide. The class 323 suffers from that somewhat on BCC I must admit.

I suppose it is something you get used to.

I do think some of the lighting contrast when entering/leaving tunnels needs some work.

 

Your right i keep going back to BML which as a fantastic timetable even though it as black lines for roads and tree branches in the drivers cab

 

BML is the best example how a timetable can look like and thats why i love this busy route it gives me a atmosphere that a simulation needs and it has super sound i mean the joint track sounds which i really like.
if NJT would have such an atmosphere it would be without doubt under the top 5 routes.

 

Boston sprinter was part of the yearly bundle (rush hour). Anything outside of the summer releases are the regular dlc prices

 

It's hard to give an exact number just because the amount of trains are a large amount but strictly on the ny-trenton section for NJT the PM rush from 3:30PM to about 7PM is roughly every 15-20 minutes with some trains with 7 minute headways

 

Known issue in NYT but I have no clue why. Something with the emissives on the ADU I suspect. Boston is completely unaffected.

 

No surprises here. The people have spoken.

 

Even when you read the positive reviews most of the mention the timetable as being negative

 

I noticed that too. Seems that most DTG stuff on Steam has mixed reviews as an overall score until you read the comments and see that a lot more could have easily been a thumb's down. Numbers of reviews as well seem to be getting lower over time (granted this one is brand new).

 

I’m glad I didn’t buy the DLC. After reading all the comments, it has made it much more easier to digest and coming to terms of not buying it. I mean I wanted this route so bad. Gave lots of feedbacks before release on hoping it would had been the best US route.I started hearing and seeings lots of red flags I knew we were going to get suckered punch, and we did. Honestly it has made me appreciate Harlem line much more. That route has some issues with some services, and the NY skyline, but at least is a busy route. 25-30 trains pass through 125st an hour during rush hour.

 

This is why I think steam reviews should just be a rating out of 5 stars. Two options of just simply “Yes” or “No” is not enough and sometimes it may just be a “Maybe”

 

Perhaps there needs to be a tsw3 version of the open letter to DTG.

 

this reminds me to leave my review, which will of course not be the best. this route feels empty [most] times and is plagued with way too many issues than i can shake a stick at.

They tell us constructive and even negative feedback is important so make sure you leave it in a place where they acquire new players/sales (steam, playstation store, xbox store, etc)

On here it feels like we are shouting at the wall, but i’m sure most of our concerns will be taken seriously if they prevent new players/sale from coming in.

 

Your sitting on the benches idea is fantastic

 

i’m gonna keep mentioning it in my videos cause i think about this a lot. it would add a new perspective either just railfanning or waiting for another service to pick up while in free roam

 

I wanted to share some positives from other US content. So I did. Two different railfan at 125st in Harlem line. The first was on XBOX X between 17:30 and 18:30 and saw 28 trains past and 1 freight along the east river track.On my PC on steam I did a morning 07:30 to 08:30 and I saw 30 trains and 1 freight along the east river. I saw most AI trains PIS were on and working. Imagine if they added the M8 and Diesel trains to this route, would be twice as busy……..

 

I haven't watched your videos yet, but AFAIK, sitting on a bench was implemented in the "training center" route. I thought from there on the following routes might implement it, too, but it will be probably like with reflective signs, or elevators - one route will have it, but none or just few of the following will; it will be forgotten that this ever existed and it won't be ever retrofitted on older routes, either.

I've been missing sitting on benches quite from the beginning I started playing in TSW. I remember at the time people were asking about working toilets in some of the live streams, I asked about sitting on benches. I think I miss it the most when I want to switch to another camera while on the feet, but I also quite miss it in underground stations on Bakerloo line, as there is not much to do (after you found all the collectables), while waiting for the next train, just being pushed by other passengers on the platform.

 

So for those that purchased the route we know the timetable is probably the worse out any other route that’s being represented in TSW, and we know the scenery was just cut and paste and not sure what polishing was done. My question is are least is the signaling good? Bad? Ok? Comparable to the new Boston? Old Boston? Harlem line type signaling? Would like to get some feedback if possible?

 

signaling is for sure messed up. with ATC on i’ve been dropped down to 45 and held there for 3+ miles with no other services in front of me many times and i’ve been seeing others on the TSW facebook community page with the same issues. i’ve been playing with it off after this makes it impossible to get gold on services

 

Dovetailgames, please fix New York Penn station and the trains clipping into the platforms. Might aswell fix everything wrong with New York to Trenton, I feel like we, the comunity, have thrown enough money at you. You need to stop beign so lazy and deceiving. Please improve that garbage you've just sold me for 51.99CAD thank you.

 

Some services are nearly impossible to complete as even with all safety systems disabled (noticing this the most in the amfleet cab car) i'll still get penalty break applications that I can't acknowledge and recover from until I halt to a complete stop. This keeps happening over and over.

Even ACSES goes haywire sometimes giving me random aspects that make no sense like -2 mph then cutting back to where it's supposed to be again.

I don't understand how this DLC wasn't delayed because selling a product this broken and incomplete is infuriating.

With every release, you continue to break the trust of customers that were once loyal to you. So so sad.

 

$52?!? Yeeesh! Hope you're still within a window to get a refund.

 

The real thing in action

 

Does this look like the Penn Station you see In game and see how busy it is. They knew Penn Station needed a overhaul but instead they blew there opportunity. We still clipping platforms since 2020. We are in TSW 3 zero changes whatsoever. Here is my thing why is it $40 if we are paying for the same reused part NYC & Parts of NEC? If we gonna pay $40 do the job right

 

That's what baffled me too. When I saw all the marketing material I was thinking they were going to serve the US customers base on their complaints of lack of passengers routes compared to the other 2 TSW countries. Having the crown jewel of the US train fleet aboard this should have been their redemption launch. Looking at the Boston upgrade that was the intention but a lot of people already have Boston and new players will probably go for Trenton first. All eyes are on Trenton and then you get trains clipping into pilars and platforms, non working pantographs, no traffic, a covid lockdown version of New York.

What a mess! Finally my interest for American railways had risen enormously and now it's all dimmed again. Time to go play some finished games. See you all when the long awaited Japanese route get's launched I suppose

 

You mean "the garbage you decided to purchase without being forced into"? It isn't as if there hasn't been enough information on this thread alone for you to make an informed choice! You bought it, you weren't sold it.

 

True. We were bombarded with red flags the whole two weeks before release. They told us from the beginning that the timetable will be lackluster, half of the route reused and that US content gets rushed in general.

At that point I only had hope in the preview stream somehow still making me fall in love with the route, but the moment I saw the trains clipping the platforms and support pillarts at NY Penn in the first 5 minutes of gameplay, I knew this is a no-buy. Then came the old TSW2020 scenery, trains with pantographs down, etc...

All this route would've needed is one or two more months of polishing and bugfixing. But no, it HAD to release in february with the super duper US bundle...

 

Just my thought about the timetable. Yeah it ain't realistic NEC traffic.
But there's clearly still some wrinkles still being ironed out of the ATC/ACSES system. For that reason I'm glad the traffic volume is the way it is.
I feel like more trains would equal gridlock or extremely rough runs. Plus there's definitely more way traffic than LIRR.

I'll give credit where credit is due. Their ATC/ACSES implementation has come a LONG way. I feel like it's very close to becoming PZB reliable and I'm excited to see that happen.
I can't image it was an easy thing to simulate.

 

They were quite open about all the problems with this route ahead of release, and that they had decided to release it in this state rather than take the necessary time to sort out everything it's missing.

Anyone who decided to buy it knowing that, well, you know what you say about fools and their money...

 

At rush hour there should be quite a few trains lined up going into New York Penn with a full Amtrak, NJ Transit, and LIRR timetable. There should be gridlock at the busiest times.

 

TripleJ814 I hear you. But gridlock controlled by a real human dispatcher is different than gridlock caused by a confused AI dispatcher.

I want the heavy traffic don't get me wrong. But I want a smooth run and spot on PTC systems more.
And I want to be able to trust the red light.

I am having a lot of fun with the Trenton route.

 

Yeah fair point. I still think a few LIRR trains at Penn won’t hurt though. They work fine in the scenarios.

 

You can't fix every single bug. There will always be bugs in games and software.

 

I purchased it and refunded it after "not planned to fix". Not supporting lazyness.

 

Hey! That's my video!

Here's another of my videos, at Harrison during the PM rush in August 2019. This doesn't even show the Morristown/Montclair trains to/from New York, but with the Corridor, Coast Line, and Raritan lines (plus Amtrak) it's never more than about five minutes between trains.

 

If you buy something, you go have a look for yourself and try it out, and not let somebody's opinion/critism deciding your choice. Most people only make complain post on the forums anyway. (same as me)

 

Eh. I was well informed enough from what DTG showed and said to know I wasn't interested in buying it. They convinced me by stating categorically that the route would have issues that were deal breakers for me. No trial period needed.

 

Simulated reality really are your kidding,Alot of the problems with the NJ trenton route are not new but they show DTG cares little for the final product and only that they release something on the release date given.

This wasn't a great triple offering.
This should be three strikes and your out.

Whoever in charge of setting release dates should be given a hornby train set and told to go away and let the adults get about there work before there out of work.

 

Well, " caveat emptor " of course. There's certainly enough information in just this one thread to enable someone to make an informed decision.

But that doesn't absolve the developer from publishing a less than stellar product that has disappointed a lot of people, nonetheless.

And I can understand why someone new to the game might have been persuaded by the PR campaign leading up to the launch. Not everyone reads the forums.

 

OK then and for the Raritan Valley Line trains they also use a Comet II-V coach like 5244 and MLV 7523 this should be correct in the game unless they got the numbers in correct. Perhaps they should add the Raritan Valley Line in the future that way RVL ALP-45DP can then become the Bay Head to NY Penn services playable to Rahway both ways

 

Indeed, I am pretty sure MOST people who purchase games do so without looking into them in detail and doing a bunch of research beforehand. It's probably a significantly lower proportion with something like a train simulator simply due to how much of a niche market it is, but it's still going to be a lot.

 

Don't forget DTG also tends to put the base game on sale alot,which can lure in uninformed people who may have little to no clue what technical mess there about to encounter.
While thoses who want a dlc sale may or may not barely ever see one.(for example steam almost always gets sales,while xbox players have to beg for them).

 

And that’s the part that I don’t get . I thought it was a little arrogant when they were pretty open about the lackluster content and just being transparent running out of time for the time table. And still people when out and purchase. So I think this will be even worse for the future. They know that people wil complain and write negatively about the content but at the end they wil still buy the product. So I’m concerned about the future and state of upcoming DLCs

 

Well, so long as DTG has a virtual monopoly and until there is a full editor, we, as players, will have very little influence on content.

Best we can hope for is to keep posting on this and other critical threads and hope their collective conscience is pricked.

 

DTG has already moved on to the next DLC which I believe to be Niddertalbahn. By next week. This will be on shelved into history. Sad end to what could had been one of the greats

 

Yup you’re correct on that. Not sure what DTG is working on then….

 

I know we have to be realistic but also I’m trying to be optimistic that Joethefish will do his magic and get the NEC timetable to the proper form. Just like the bakerloo, Hamburg,Dresden,BML,Bremen, both Dresden,Augsburg,Koln,Wurzburg,Harlem,Rhein-Ruhr……

 

Read the roadmap. Dtg have the German route (Mainz to Koblenz) and the uk steam route

 

It's only been less than a week since release, we gotta give them time. A new timetable or clipping issues aren't quick jobs, we'd hear more about those on a roadmap stream if anything.