Liveries Pinzadave's Livery Creation Thread

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  1. spikeyorks

    spikeyorks Well-Known Member

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    Hi Dave,

    Pretty sure that this isn't what you were expecting to see but, at the moment, I can only run your Pullmans with the Western???
    None of my default CL47 consists will give me the option of using the coaches. (I'm guessing that this might be down to the Great Western origination of the coaches?).
    Note that this is in TSW4 with my scenario being based on PBO. I'll do some more experimenting later on and see if I can come up with anything.

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    True, not what I was expecting, but who cares when it looks that good! Bristol Pullman, anyone? I was considering doing the NTP MK2 FKs in Pullman colours as it gives more options. Rake MK2A x8 is an fully-NTP rake of coaches with 2 FKs, while MK2B x8 has 3 FKs.
    I'll have a look at them, see if that helps you.

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    One NTP MK2 FK in reversed Grey & Blue livery Pullman coach now available. I'd forgotten that I'd actually done this version first, then the GWB one, but had released the GWB but not this one. I only needed to add numbers and it was done!
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    47077 'North Star' now uploaded for 1970s & 1980s GW fun. A few more namers will follow, both 47/0s and 47/4s
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    A few bits uploaded recently:
    253020 in BR Blue with Power Cars 43040 and 43041
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    47082 'ATLAS' in BR Blue
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    47090 'VULCAN' in BR Blue
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    47624 CYCLOPS in BR Blue
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    My final batch of 37/7s in the 378xx range.
    37890 in triple Grey Freight livery with Mainline branding
    37896 in triple Grey Freight livery with Transrail branding
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    And finally,
    37898 in Railfreight Grey and 37899 in Railfreight Coal
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    And finally... 2 members of the 37/9 sub-class. I've modelled the Ruston engined locos as the roof profile is roughly the same as the standard Class 37 roof. The 4 Mirrlees engined Class 37/9s have a much more angular design of roof.
    37905 in Freight Grey with Metals markings and named 'Vulcan Enterprise'.
    37906 in Railfreight Grey, as outshopped.
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    That concludes my reliverying journey into Class 37 for the time being. I've tried to provide small fleets of locos in various livery variations, ideal for scenarios where you may need more than one loco in a particular livery. It has been good fun working on these, although at times frustrating too, especially when it comes to producing depot emblems. Thornaby Kingfishers and Cardiff Goats are one thing, but Eastfield's Scottie Dog is quite another!
    So, what's next? I've been revisiting Great Western Main Line, and as you will have seen, I've begun to produce a few liveries for that in BR Blue days - HSTs and 47s of the Western Region stable. There are a few more to go, and the 47s will include the 1980s namers too. I'm working on 47508 'SS Great Britain' and 47511 'Thames'. There will be a few 47/0s in basic BR Blue, but WR allocated, and one in a special livery that I photographed at Old Oak Common back in the day. A 'Bandit' of sorts! A few more WR Class 08s, from Old Oak Common and Reading TMD and some WR Class 37/0s in Blue. I would like to play with the Class 31s, but sadly thats a no-go, so no 31135 with its Hymek-style yellow ends and no OC 31/4s with their white stripes!
    After that? I've recently bought the Edinburgh to Glasgow route, so expect a few Class 47/7's in both Blue and ScotRail, with matching coaches - albeit MK2a's! ScotRail DBG anyone? Other appropriate Class 47s and Class 37s hopefully will appear as will depot appropriate 08s and even the odd Class 20!
    After that? I already have a tranche of reliveries done that just needs a few scenarios finishing off. They represent a very interesting time in BR history...
     
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    SeacowTurbots anyone? :)
    (Just starting to 'play' with Formation Designer. Do you recognise these?)

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    Ooh yes.I need to go play with Formation Designer too!
     
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    You may not be so impressed with this piece of news though.
    HSTs seem to have been buggered up by the latest upgrade.
    Here is the current state of your prototype HST. Probably not the look you were going for?
    (DTG must be aware so I'm sure a fix will be coming along shortly).

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    :o A travesty!
     
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    I believe that it was fixing the GWE HST wiper bug that has now caused every GWE based HST community livery to appear with GWR power cars only. :o
     
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    I have a few HST rakes to upload, I'll probably add them anyway, and wait for DTG to catch up.
    Meanwhile, a few new bits have gone up onto the Hub:
    Another 47/0, this time 47078 'Sir Daniel Gooch' or 'Sir Daniel Goo*h' as the Hub insists I call it. I never realised that 'Gooch' was so offensive!
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    A random thought about triple-headed 37s got me thinking - the Port Talbot to Llanwern Iron Ore trains were triple-headed. Now I know they would not have ventured into London, but...
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    Weird, I thought I'd uploaded 37308 ages ago, but I cannot find it in my content online. The batch 37300 - 37308 were fitted with strengthened drawbars and were allocated specially to this working from the mid-1970s. And for the locos, you need wagons:
    JNA (PTA; JTA) Outer Wagons in plain Grey for British Steel:
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    JNA (PTA; JUA) Inner wagons in Grey / Orange livery for British Steel:
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    So this is what I'm after...
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    I don't see why you couldn't have a triple headed formation trundling around Tees Valley? It would look quite good running through the industrial landscape there. (Tees Yard to Lackenby).

    How many wagons were there in a formation?

    Oh your images popped up when I was typing.
     
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    That is a thought. Might be preferable as there are more long sidings on Tees Valley. The train is 404m long, over a quarter mile! Lackenby to Corby perhaps?
     
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    Continuing with the GWML theme, but a little bit newer - well, 1990s anyway!
    59103 'Village of Mells' and matching ARC-liveried JNAs
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    Well, that was a wasted few hours work - I had high hopes to finally get a Hunslet-Barclay Weedkilling train together in Formation Editor in TSW4, so I've reliveried the coaches and a TEA (standing in for 3 TTAs that don't exist in TSW) and uploaded them from TSW3. Downloaded them to TSW4 and tried to generate a formation. What a mess! Not only does the TEA not even appear in the Formation Editor at all, but even in-game spawning the formation, the TEA will not couple to the MK1 coaches! So the idea is a no-go, unless you can cope with just the coaches and no tankers. Oh, and the LPC MK1s in TSW3 appear as PFT MK1s in the TSW4 Formation Editor! Still they do look pretty!
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    The TEA does appear in Formation Designer (away from TSW4 at the moment but I think FD gives me 3 choices of TEA and it is the 3rd one that works for me).

    There is a screenshot of my VTG tankers on the ECML plus some more of my Greenergy tanks at Boro in the threads in this forum.
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    I think I may need to build the rake in Formation Designer first, take note of what the assets are and repaint appropriately.
     
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    In TSW4 Livery Editor I have a PBO 100t TEA tanker and a HFP 100t TEA tanker, but in Formation Designer I have a 100t TEA which is neither of those others! So I have TEAs I can relivery but not use in FD, or a TEA in FD I cannot relivery!
    Where's the emoji for an exploding head???
     
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    Here is my Formation Designer screen once I type "TEA" into the search facility.
    All of my liveries are on the NTP (LMC) model which, for me, came from the HFP. Is yours not the same?
    If it helps then it is possible to transfer a livery from the PBO model to the NTP one using Livery Manager and a HxD editor. All you have to do is make sure that all the layers in the livery are ungrouped before you do the transfer. It is fairly easy. (Well I did it :) ).

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    What do you think of this Dave?
    Hopefully your hours of work haven't been wasted.
    This formation works in TSW4. We just need to get the liveries there now.

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    Oh lordy :love: I remember these appearing, along with the National Power 59's, this is one of the best liveries and still looks fantastic now. Thanks for doing these Dave.

    How do you search for your liveries, is it as simple as PinzaDave?

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    Hi David, When I type in 'TEA' in the search bar, I dont get the 'LMC' version. Thats probably what I need. What is 'LMC' anyway?

    Hi Ant, unfortunately PinzaDave was taking a sabbatical when ARC and Yeoman were about, at least in the south of the country. My railway interests were limited to the north-east. At least I saw the Nat.Power locos for real! If I dont have my own pics of a livery, then Google is your friend. :)
     
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    "LMC" = Leeds to Manchester (I guess) = NTP.
    "LPC" = Liverpool to Crewe = SOS.
    "PNZ" = Penzance = (ECL). And so on :)
    (Not sure why they have created new abbreviations though. Perhaps it is to keep the stock separate from any editorial things connected with the routes?).
     
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    Thanks for those codes, David. The problem seems to be that its a MK1 TSO that needs to couple to the TEA, and the only one I can get to do so is the WSR one, which is not available in Livery Designer! I may have to use a MK2 TSO, which I can repaint. This is what I have so far. Still working on the replacement BG
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    Getting there...
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    That's starting to look really good.:)

    Re the MK1 TSO I could try transferring a livery from the NTP coach to the WSR version, through editing, and see if that works. I don't see why it won't. If I can do that then, in theory, we should be able to do the same with your livery?

    UPDATE - It appears that Formation Designer is a bit smarter than we thought. It changes the options available to you depending on whether the vehicles selected will couple to each other even down to the point where it won't let you delete a wagon if the formation left after the deletion won't then couple up. I think, at the moment, your only choice is to use the WSR coach but, of course, you can't put a custom livery on that. So far I haven't cracked the code for trying to transfer the livery onto a vehicle that Livery Editor cannot see. But there must be a way to do this. I'll ask around.
     
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    Had to compromise, but I'm happy enough with the result. Coach SA99907, which buffers up to the TEA was the problem one as its a MK1 TSO and there was nothing that could be used. However, a MK2 TSO will couple to the TEA, so SA99907 is represented (hopefully temporarily) by a MK2 TSO. Here is the complete train in-game:
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    Well it looks pretty, but it won't move! I think there's a brake incompatibility - possibly vacuum on the MK1s and air on the MK2 and the TTA. :mad:
     
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    Compromise #2. All the coaches are now MK2s, except the BG. This makes them all air-braked and the train moves! Sadly this will have to do until DTG catch up with the compatibility.
    SA99909 and SA99910, now upgraded to MK2 TSOs
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    Well, with the Weedkiller debacle now out of the way (although I still have to upload the MK2 TSOs onto the Hub), I've moved on to other things. The first is a scenario I've been developing for Great Western which uses my recently reliveried BR Blue named 47s. Entitled "BR Blue Days GWR Freight #1", it is only a short scenario, but features 47090 'VULCAN' on a heavy oil train from Southall Yard to Acton Yard. It requires skillful driving and as little stopping as possible!
    It features one other upload - 37297 in BR Blue, a Western Region allocated loco for most of its life.
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    If you are playing this scenario on TSW4, I do envisage that you will get the issue with the HST Power Cars. There is nothing I can do about that, its up to DTG to sort that glitch out.
     
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    Another loco uploaded is 47242 in BR Blue with black window surrounds. I photographed this loco on 12th March 1983 at Old Oak Common, so it certainly has provenance on the GWML. The loco also had black numbers on the cab fronts, again very unusual at the time. Since the pics were taken, I've increased the depth of the yellow below the side windows as the black almost makes it disappear!
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    So I've uploaded the first of my Great Western-based scenarios: BR Blue days GWR Freight #1 What with the issue with HSTs on TSW4, I'll hold back on releasing any more scenarios based on GWR. However, I'll keep releasing locos and rolling stock in period liveries from time to time.
    So here is 47582 'County of Norfolk' in early NSE livery. I tend to associate these 'County' locos as working in East Anglia, but by the late 1980s and early 1990s, they were seen in and out of Paddington, working to Oxford or Reading.
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    Another NSE Class 47. This time 47530 in the later darker-blue livery with amended cabside stripes. This was the only NSE liveried Class 47 I saw in BR service, albeit in Leeds! Two pics, the first is the real 47530 at Leeds in August 1991 and the second is the 'real' 47530 at Leeds in August 1991 !!
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    Come on Dave. I'm originally from Ipswich.
    Where is County of Suffolk? ;)
     
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    That's very brave to admit :D I suppose someone's got to be.
    You would think I love nothing better than to spend my time recreating County Crests!!!
     
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    Here we go then, David, just for you...
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    And there was me worried if I'd done justice to the Suffolk County crest and you want it Blue?
    Actually turning it Blue is not so hard...
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    You've got to wonder how someone from Ipswich can call themselves SpikeYorks. Taking the name of the fair county of Yorkshire in vain is very frowned upon, especially here in East Yorkshire (aka. the forgotten Riding)
    But, your wish, dear Sir, is my command and here is 47584 in all its Stratford glory!
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    And then I fell into a kind of fog and produced this: 47548 'Phantom' with its unique split centre headcodes.I know, I know, you can't find it in your Platform 5 Motive Power Pocket Book, but I swear, I did see it once. Subscribe and read the blurb!

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    Spike was my Airedale terrier (great Yorkshire dog of which I saw none when I moved to Airedale).
    Yorks is a tip to North Yorkshire (where I now live) which is, of course, the best Yorkshire :D
    By the way, Suffolk looks great........thanks for the silver roof :)
     
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    Well, I have to admit - what with having the village of Masham in its territory, the home of Theakstons, North Yorkshire is indeed the best Riding. And of course the stunning scenery! Enjoy the Suffolk Duff! :D
     
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    With the TSW4 HST sorted (apparently), I've uploaded a couple of Blue & Grey sets I had on standby, as well as another OC Class 08. There are 2 Reading 08's to follow soon.
    253017 (43034 & 43035)

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    253036 (43141 & 43142)

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    08651 of OC
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