Discussion in 'Route Suggestions & Proposals' started by NJT Railfan, Sep 10, 2018.
For now, at least, I think it'd be too long for Dovetail to recreate, at least for consoles.....
Length has no limit to consoles.
I think it's just dev time that would be the issue (along with getting clearance from 4 national railways as well as Eurotunnel & Eurostar)
Also would need TVM, ETCS as well as UK, French, Belgian & Dutch Classic signalling. It's probably a bit over ambitious
Awesome sounds like a fantastic route
Yes ! The fly-wheeler darling of light rail - indeed...!
Actually - there is a potential here for partnership projects between Parry People Movers and DTG.... Imagine if DTG were hired to model a bunch of Beeching-axed lines that are now candidates for re-instatement... and they could slap the 139 right in there, along with a Pacer, a tram-train.... and all sorts of other stuff. And then they could make a Dragon's Den show, to choose the succesful scheme..... YES...! Do this...! LOL... ;-)
I haven't got a specific complete route in mind but for me it would have to be a terminus to a terminus. Preferably both passenger and freight. I hate it when I arrive at a station and see tracks heading off into the distance and then to be told "Get off now, that's as far as you're going".
Especially if it's backdated a little to include the "tramway" at Weymouth that runs down the roads to the quay.
That's actually a better idea than I would have thought. It might be a good way to convince the government for some lines, with the new Beeching Reversal fund.
Actually, for a couple of months at least, the branch is still there and 'open'. There might be one or two Network Rail trains that go down there as well.
CP Iowa Chicago and eastern Rockford
Tehachapi sub which includes Tehachapi and Cajon Pass!
I would love to see the Amtrak Downeaster. I live near the northern terminus in Brunswick Maine. The route is along Pan Am Railways trackage and MBTA near north station. The route goes from Brunswick Maine to Boston North Station. (Would love to see this in TSW) I also would like to see the Rockland Branch. Witch goes from Rockland Maine to Brunswick Maine. Owned by the Maine DOT the Rockland Branch is operated by Maine Central and Quebec. (And Amtrak will do a pilot program during one weekend this summer)
Why couldn’t it be the full Amtrak Downeastern line from Brunswick to Boston?
It could be the full route it’s only about 240miles for the Downeaster. And it’s about 60miles for the Rockland Branch. I hope these do this routes!
well I know Amtrak Downeastern goes through New Hampshire the New Hampshire towns are Dover,Durham University of New Hampshire and Exeter.
Amtrak Downeastern stops at those stations in New Hampshire it stops in Dover,Durham N.h. On the campus of the University of New Hampshire and Exeter N.h.
To get some rapid transit services through London
Norfolk Southern Fort Wayne Line: 60 tpd, one of the biggest hump yards in the US, and my local line.
NS Pittsburgh Line: Good amount of traffic, Horseshoe curve, goes through the hills of the Appalachians.
For me it would be the Tokaido Shinkansen From Tokyo to Shin-Osaka, then the same line continues as Sanyo Shinkansen from Shin-Osaka to Hakata. The full length is 1069kms. With all 3 services... Kodama, Hikari and Nozomi
TexRail, its one long line.
Crewe to Swansea.
While we're being ridiculous, the Ghan: 2,979km between Darwin and Adelaide.
South Western Railway. London Waterloo to Reading via Richmond.
Sheffield/Huddersfield/Leeds set in mid 2019 with a pacer and 2 sprinters (158 and 153/156)
The entire Thameslink network would be good.
ike to See in TSW York To Leeds via Harrogate with the 144, 153, 170 150, 155, 158, 800/1/801/1 Azuma
Leeds to London Kings Cross and York to Kings Cross with the 800/1 801/1 Azuma and Class 91 I like to see more longer hual routes
I also like to see in the Game the Eurostar from London st pancras international to gare du nord with the E320 only Stoping at lille
I also like to see the gare de lyon to Barcelona sants on the High Speed Line with tgv duplex
and Lyon to Barcelona Sants with Renfe AVE
and the German High speed line From Köln Hbf to Hamburg Hbf High speed with the ICE 1 ICE 2 Ice 3 Ice 4 stopping at Düsseldorf Hbf, Duisburg Hbf, Essen Hbf and gare de l'est to frankfurt High Speed with Ice 4
oslo to bergen train VY
From Oslo Central Station to Bergen Station
Oslo S 2 0 493
Asker 104 24 469
Drammen 2 41 452
Hokksund 8 58 435
Vikersund 67 84 409
Hønefoss 96 112 381
Flå 155 174 319
Nesbyen 168 208 285
Gol 207 225 268
Ål 436 250 243
Geilo 794 275 218
Ustaoset 990 286 207
Haugastøl 988 297 196
Finse 1222 324 169
Hallingskeid 1110 345 148
Myrdal 867 358 135
Upsete 850 364 129
Mjølfjell 627 376 117
Voss 57 407 86
Dale 43 447 46
Arna 8 483 10
Bergen 2 493 0
Probably the Bergen line, together with the extension to Flåm. Such a beatiful scenic route through nice green valleys and rough mountain terrain!
If you want a taste of it, this channel is running livestreams of the routes, really great to watch.
My choices are:
Sherman Hill UP route (aka the Laramie Sub)
BNSF Marias Pass
An NS route
A CSX route in Florida (With Florida Tri Rail)
Bright line/ Virgin Trains USA with FEC freight trains
Seattle SOUNDER commuter rail Seattle-Tacoma
Amtrak Pacific Surfliner LA-San Diego (with MetroLink OC line as MetroLink loco add on)
COASTER Commuter Rail San Diego-Oceanside
Minnesota Northstar Target Field-Big Lake
UTA Frontrunner Ogden-Provo
TSW’s First Mexican route (maybe a subway route?)
AMT commuter rail
Trinity Railway Express Dallas-Fort Worth
Virginia Railway Express
UP/BNSF Cajon Pass in San Bernardino
I guess that’s pretty much it, I’m a fan of North American routes
I’d have the southeastern route from Charing X to Dartford and Dartford to Charing X or something like yhat
Lisbon to Vladivostok.
For me I prefer it to San Diego so DTG can model 3 commuter railroads in 1 route! COASTER and MetroLink OC/IEOC lines could be modeled, but up to Goleta/San Luis Obispo is just as good, they could model the Ventura County Line as well
I’ll be afraid that’s a bit too long for TSW, maybe it could be narrowed down to about 70 miles (I would personally like it to be around 100, but too bad we’ll have to pay a lot more for it)? The most interesting parts of the route could be made in TSW
If u have a 1tb console it won’t be a problem, just make sure that’s the only route of that distance you purchase!
Over a short distance your approximation method might be right. So if OSD takes 6.3Gb over 24 miles, then 20 miles might be 5.4Gb...., if OSD is a typicaly dense route, with predictably unique assets per mile.
But when you extend this to 2100 miles, the space required is unlikely to be (2100/24) x 6.3 Gb = 551 Gb
2000 miles of that route won't just be relatively empty - it will also contain repeated assets thousands of times over, that only need to be stored once on the SSD/HDD. I'd estimate that such a route would take up a lot of space... but something more like 75Gb. Maybe 100Gb. Could be as low as 50Gb. But absolutely not getting on for 600Gb. The bulk of the data will be unique assets, not the position of those assets - even over 2100 miles, or maybe 20,000 map tiles....?
And in any case, OSD is a bad example, as it contained a huge amount of content that could not be used, and was designed, apparently, to not be seen.... ;-O
Cost is another thing. Who of us is willing to pay $ 100 for a route?.
And the the length would then be maybe 100 miles depends whether it is in the countryside or in the city.
Just now dovetail take 1 dollar/miles (or more) for a route.
If the dovetail take 100-200 dollar for a "long" route. then the risk is great that it is shared free.
So Ts2020 for long routes and TSW for short routes a long time ahead I think.
They must come up with a better technology to make cheap routes before we see longer routes
I wrote this earlier in this topec.
Cost and time is another thing. Oakville Subdivision is 24 miles. Cost 30 dollar
Chicago-Los Angeles is 2100 miles and should then cost 2000 dollar or more to buy
And should take several years to produce.
So much space in hard drive and a a fortune to buy.
We must hope Microsoft doing trainsim in future so it easier to do routes than now
Awesome I definitely support this mega great idea
Do it on console I’ll buy it
It would be a case of about time makes me piss amount of times sprinters/pacers requested those always ignored and always foreign routes prioritised when you look at tsw as whole more foreign than British routes for sure
Well it is Train Sim World - Personally I'd like more foreign stuff. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
On that note - Zentralbahn - Narrow Gauge, Rack Railway, Swiss, Scenic - What's not to like
All TSW content is and will be available on console. There was only one route made that didn’t make it to console because it was the first route made, CSX Heavy Haul and couldn’t be successfully ported across. Now all TSW content is made for both PC and consoles.
I hope we get longer routes in the game I don't know about you but they should do the same thing for consoles too
Yes - I agree with this main point. It's one thing to make a game in a relatively niche area of interest (although everyone loves trains, really...), and then another to make it exclusive to relatively wealthy people (and charge $30 for a single DLC).... but it takes it to another level to focus all of your effort on just one country/region/route, and then charge $100, $1000, $10,000 or $100,000. And if it is also broken and buggy upon release, then anyone that has paid $100,000 would be even more upset about the quality - because they are probably using it to train real drivers.
In short, I think that keeping routes fairly short (and below 50 miles) isn't such a bad idea, if it means you get a bit of variety with routes/countries and interesting curation of locomotive types and methods of operation.
It is, of course, much easier to make longer routes in TS1 because you can't get out of the train and walk up to every detail and have a look. St Paul's Cathedral is visible on South London Network... but if you do free camera it over to the building, then you will discover it is just a 2D drawing on a "card cut-out" - it might actually be one of Wren's original elevations - it looks familiar to drawings that I have seen in the past.....And this is absolutely fine, because from London Bridge, it looks just fine.
Carlisle to Preston Down the Cumbrian coast class 37 hauled of course would be special just like a couple of years ago before they finished unfortunately
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