Public Beta Build 75.6a

Looking forward to this Build
And only 30 Warnings left? Nice job.

 

Just started with the beta for the first time and so far this looks fantastic. I do a lot of route building and re-painting so lots and lots of re-starts and every since the last major upgrade I have been getting a lot of OOM and crashes to desktop when doing the major save even though I do the f2 save. So far zero of them even though I tried to torture the game. This is a major major leap forward.
Congrats on this effort so far. Huge improvement.

 

Game getting better and better.

 

TrainSim-Steve

I see you've updated HiLine, Springfield and Stevens Pass. These DLC updates do not apply to the Public Beta - was that intentional?

 

Those got updated? I wasent offered those updates, because I have the public beta. They should still apply though.
I have all three of those routes.
I have not noticed a single crash since using the beta.
It seems nice and smooth.

The problem with the workshop subscriptions stuck on "downloading" is still there though.

 

Probably they do work in the Beta due to a core change? Haven't tested yet.

Workshop: Subscribe via Steam - not ingame

 

I always subscribe via steam itself. never in sim. (this must be a steam issue)

 

And Steam takes ages to download a WS item? Never had that.

 

Thats what I am trying to investigate.
Its downloaded them, but having problems updating them.

 

Not a Steam issue, that's TSC.

 

It will probably get fixed pretty soon anyway. I hope.

 

Just checked, if you are on the beta, you will not receive the updated Hiline, Stevens and Springfield.

If you opt out of the beta, the DLC will update. Now copy their asset folders to a safe place (GNTX\StevensPass, VNHRR\Hiline + Springfield).

Opt into the beta again, now the three DLC will be downgraded again due to different depot manifest IDs for public and public_beta. Overwrite their assets with new backup files. You will need to do that again after the next beta update.

 

TrainSim-Steve There are a few extra files in the route updates. See here:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/9-7-gb-update-validating.74840/#post-732719

 

Very Nice.
Thanks Steve.

 

The beta seems at least as stable as the current prod version. I still have to 'preload' the route (Cambs/ECML) before running very large scenarios (250+ consists plus statics) or I get an OOM.

I think I am seeing a few new error messages:

2023/10/05 16:28:29.725 - [Track Manager] - Trace D:\RGBuild\CoreRelease\Code\DLLs\NetworkManager\cTrackNetwork.cpp : 3437 = Can't load junction at -23507.072266, 44331.425781 (No node)
-this one throws a lot of lines on entry but doesn't appear to be fatal. It probably means that I've done something dodgy during the route merges from years ago - anyone know how to interpret the location coords?

2023/10/05 19:34:54.784 - [RunTimeError] - Verify failed:
2023/10/05 19:34:54.784 - [RunTimeError] -
2023/10/05 19:34:54.784 - [RunTimeError] - D:\RGBuild\CoreRelease\Code\DLLs\ParticleManager\cEmitter.cpp : 597
2023/10/05 19:34:54.784 - [RunTimeError] -
2023/10/05 19:34:54.784 - [RunTimeError] - Expression: pDevice->CreateVertexBuffer ( m_iMaxParticles * 6 * sizeof ( XD3DLVERTEXN ), (0x00000008L) | (0x00000200L), 0, D3DPOOL_DEFAULT, &m_pvbParticles, 0 ) == ((HRESULT)0L)
- this one appears in the log shortly before an OOM - it would be great to know which loco/scenic item is causing it.​

Haven't noticed the sky changes in particular but then I've been focused on bug hunting.

Overall, looking ok. Thanks

PS - several initialisation errors thrown (these are a sample - one 3rd party, one pro) - perhaps caused by the recent lua upgrades:

2023/10/05 16:42:24.009 - [Script Manager] - Trace D:\RGBuild\CoreRelease\Code\DLLs\ScriptManager\cScriptState.cpp : 229 = error in "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\railworks\Assets\Yelland\Addon\RailNetwork\Signals\UK Semaphore\Sem_DvgeRte_hdhdhd.lua" running function : ...lNetwork\Signals\UK Semaphore\Sem_DvgeRte_hdhdhd.lua:369: attempt to concatenate local `newBlockState' (a nil value)

2023/10/05 17:03:41.149 - [Script Manager] - Trace D:\RGBuild\CoreRelease\Code\DLLs\ScriptManager\cScriptState.cpp : 229 = error in "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\railworks\Assets\RSC\9FPack01\RailVehicles\Steam\9F\9F Black DC\Engine\EngineScript.out" running function : (none):0: attempt to compare number with nil
2023/10/05 17:03:41.149 - [Content] - Trace D:\RGBuild\CoreRelease\Code\DLLs\ScriptManager\cScriptComponent.cpp : 225 = ID: RailVehicles\Steam\9F\9F Black SC\Engine\9F Black SC_engine_blueprint.xml long: 0.136968, lat: 52.192667 Error calling Initialise function

I'll have a look at fixing the ones in Jon Yelland's stuff as it is uncompiled but can't do much about the compiled loco stuff.

 

I have seen these similar errors related to lua.

Sadly the script errors I get are compiled (.out) lua, and their original author does not seem to be contactable.

I am also still Interested in those Merge tools you had on UKTS.

 

The download link is on this thread: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/how-to-merge-routes-in-tsc.74286/#post-731374

 

I can verify that the two VNHRR routes + Stevens Pass now load properly in 75.6a without Wellington's patches. Thank you, Steve and the rest of the crew. I'm so impressed with the current commitment to service for this old trainsim, the likes of which I have 400 GB worth of files which just keep getting better!

 

Just some quick stats - all running well, just doing a highspeed run on Zhengxi.

Beta DX12 currently has only 75% of performance of Beta 64, where I get constant capped 75 FPS on most routes. DX12 FPS around 50-60.

Shawmut 700 GB here on a designated RailWorks M.2 NVMe SSD

 

I'm building my route in windowed mode only, and so far there haven't been any problems in the beta version

 

I have noticed no crashes at all.
And thanks for fixing the Montana, Stevens Pass and VNNR.

 

The only sort of strange thing I have found so far is if you go into world edit and save even using the f2 key first sometimes it has some ground textures missing. If you try a restart from there it gives you the 0xC000005 OOM message and closes.

 

Great to hear. Looks like the DTG team worked well on my top three wishlist....

1) Stable game, no error and crashes
2) Get rid offall imperfections. AI colissions, cars floating, settings menu bugs.
3) More immersion, feeling of being there.

I will probably get grilled again by my friends in the forum community's because of the above list. But hey, atleast number one has realy improved

Well done Dovetail !!!!!

 

Although it is a buglet I do not see it as a problem. But it could be for others or might be an indication something more important is wrong . . . .

When using the windows key to get out of TSC (while still being in the menus) I get this error when going back . . .

 

Use Borderless (Windowed Fullscreen). DX9 Fullscreen has issues with Alt Tabbing, not only on TSC.

 

Thanks Spikes.

Yep, people who consider this a problem could do that.

Be aware I never had this error message before untill today. Just thought it might be worth mentioning.

Are there other BETA effects / pros / cons when using full screen vs borderfless ?

 

Pros of DX9 Borderless: more stable and system friendly
Cons: Brightness setting is locked and using your desktop settings (not a con for me). Contrast, Ambient Light and Sunlight Intensity are still adjustable.

 

Hey Spikes. Why do you mention DX9 ? Isn't Fullscreen as well as Borderless using DX9 ?

 

Because it's handled differently. Basically Borderless is just a window like any other, and Windows controls the output. Fullscreen lets DirectX handle everything. (Simplified explanation)

Years ago, the ("Exclusive") Fullscreen mode had performance advantages due to bypassing the OS, which is not the case anymore. If the game offers it, I prefer Borderless any time.

Just try it yourself.

 

Let me rephrase. So whatever option I choose (Fullscreen or Border Less) the game will run using DX9, not any other DX, correct ?

 

Yes.

Also in Fullscreen, some screenshot tools might not work.

 

My own reason to go for full screen is V-Sync, which is generally not supported in windowed mode.
Plus there are a few additional options like desktop alpha, gamma and such.
I don't know whether I simply managed to buy the sturdiest GPU but since using V-Sync my habit of destroying hardware in 2 years has changed, my current config is 8.5 years and while it does have heat after effects (I shall never turn it off now, or it's blue screens until it warms), I'm quite literally worried that TSC can cook my laptop in a few weeks.
Plus, of course, I can't decide whether my laptop is any less loud than a full army of helicopters. However, I get free room heating and an oven to boil eggs.

 

I found I don't need VSync if I simply set -FPSLimit=xx to the value of my monitor Hz, in my case 75.

 

i tested this beta and im really happy
till now no crashes or bugs even with tons of 3rd party content
fps seems more stable only tested dx 64bit with 3413 x 1920 resolution on i9-11900 k /Asus RTX 3080 Tuf Gaming
even when the fps goes down for a moment due to much rolling stock at tracks to 24 - 35 fps for example at wien westbahnhof it feels smooth.
have to test more these days
cheers
thanks DTG

 

Is it also being worked to have bone's work for animation in the update's as it goe's?

 

My laptop has max 60 I think. But in the game (shift-Z) I often see high 70's

Would it benificial to me to set the FPSLimit to lets say 59 0r 60 ?

 

Absolutely, set it to 60. You're only wasting power calculating frames you won't see.

 

I tested this beta to find out if the railtraction 1800 stopped crashing, but it still crashes very strangely.

Switching between the 1, 2 and 8 cams while releasing the brakes when you have applied an emergency brake will cause you to crash
So it is advisable not to brake and release while you are in modes 2 or 8 and then go back to 1.
In other words, in the BETA the 1800 is really a first person game without a free cam temporarily.
I don't know if it is because of my soundmod, but my soundmod used to work before the core updates and now it crashes the game.

Crashwithtrain by jackynetic posted Oct 8, 2023 at 2:21 PM

 

Does it work on v74.8?... wait... Sound Manager? Hmmm. Does turning off EFX make a difference?

I don't have the 1800 so can't help.

 

Well, no that didn't make a difference sadly.
And no it doesn't work on the stable version either.
However, it seems to crash with the Christrains DD-AR wagons, I can't confirm but so far with cargo cars, it's not crashing.

 

Where do you set the max fps?
Thanks

 

Right click on Train Simulator in your Steam Library, select Properties...

 

I've run a few large QDs on the beta (300+consists) and it seems to handle things fine.
Still seeing lots of these in the log:

2023/10/08 13:16:16.689 - [Core] - Trace D:\RGBuild\CoreRelease\Code\Libs\Foundation\Library\Delta\cDeltaSerializer.cpp : 1488 = Delta Serializer MakeID pointer address exceeded 32GB

Sounds like it's teelling me something - just not sure what...

 

Launching DX12 Exp poor performance and for some reason AMD Adrenalin and Afterburner are detecting it as DX9 (I wanted to try the AMD Fluid Frame Tech)

 

I never realized that the beta can also be fired up with DX12. I tried it a while ago eith the public release, but the standard 64but ran much better. Will try to run the beta with DX12 later today

 

It's not yet native DX12.

 

Today in beta 75.6 I got out of memory when I went into the 2D map