Liveries Rail 200. Preparations And Ideas For September.

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That livery is complete (in my opinion). I'd say a livery of that caliber isn't getting denied access to the scenario when it is done!

Good job Lee . You should be very proud of yourself!

TG08 .

 

Wow what a super surprise, mate I wasn’t expecting you to do that. Got me all nervous now and my nerves are shot already as a watch the clock tick down.
But TG08 I can’t believe you’ll add it. As I was saying to JPlayz I have no intention or explanations of you using my work if any.
I’m doing what I love, and as I said in the past that if a user wants to use them then hopefully I can upload it with no hassles for you and the community to enjoy.

Fun, that’s what it’s all about by providing that quality end product we said is important to this project. For the Project (Event) and the community.

I have no expectations as that way I won’t get disappointed, thus effecting my mental state. I can’t hide that fact publicly.
So to have news like this has come at a perfect moment due the call situation

Anyway I’m still unsure if this is perfect, or ultra perfect. May need a few small adjustments first, which if your going to use are more than welcome to pass more of a honest opinion. I myself prefer honesty, we know if we doing something wrong or right.
Criticism is more important to me than praise, and without honesty no one can know facts to make a change.
Be in work related topics or a outside one.

The Facts and the Facts of life

Thank you so much for this today, I needed some good news for once.
Cheers TG08.
Lee.

 

Work of that caliber shouldn't go unnoticed Lee. I think everyone needs to see what you have been up to and having that livery within the scenario will make you feel more recognised in the community. I mean it .

You deserve the recognition, you really do. As much as I'll take full credit for the scenario itself, the credit for the liveries included are of the creators who made them. Why wouldn't I include at least one livery of yours? You are a member of the team, and deserve as much of the spotlight as both me and JPlayz do.

Exactly, it'll be the same (on my end) in regards to criticism when the scenario is completed. If I find something wrong, I'll communicate it in some way (either publicly or privately), so that everyone is updated on anything important .

I'm glad I've helped you put some good into today .

TG08 .

 

I struggle here with complements, and don’t want to waffle.

All I see what I and we all are doing is what we love doing anyway. I won’t lie as transparency is also important to me.
A person not some identity hidden away. It’s interferes with a creative mind, so to express work and myself is key for my work and the man behind it. I can’t make work if I get depressed.

So like all Humans a sense of achievement for all a persons hard work doesn’t do harm. But I don’t like the spot light which mean I don’t share my work, no praise, so depression sets in. I work from here and here only, its down to people like you and the community that keep me going so I can do what I love so hopefully it allows me to give something back be fun or a little entertainment.

That’s what’s is important to me, as long as you are all happy then thats what make me happy. If that means others taking the lime light then so be it. I don’t like attention that much so I’d rather let those that do enjoy it and what fun comes along the way.

Again make me happy either way.

My work is my work and I’m happy sat in my little room making them for as long as you or the community can stand me being here

If my you or anyone feel they should be seen more than again that’s fine by me, it’s an honour that rail enthusiasts accept them.
People don’t always like change, something I’m trying to respect in the work I do or the nods to the past by bringing some subtle modern aspects in the mix.

Many things run through my mind as all these factors are important if its for an event such as Railway 200, as again it’s rail enthusiast who will make that real event great. I wish I could go,,but I don’t go out, so again you know now why your help is more valuable than you was firstly aware.

I wish I could mix and get involved but I’m me, so prefers the solitude.
You don’t in life so you can do the project and Rai 200 more justice than me if I don’t even have a FB account.
I’m stuck here, and I’m happy with that, I have all that I need here.

You and the community.
For that I have to thank you all.
Cheers TG08, you and JPlayz have fun

Lee.

 

Okay a little announcement.

Know to save taking all your time up I shall make this short an sweet.
This is to explain a little more on the subject of a call some of you may or not be aware of.

Again can’t say a lot but I feel it’s my place to at least explain for the you that follow this thread and it’s members.
Also I’m doing this public as some may have felt I made it up to get members on board or add something of interest.
Please that is most certainly not the case, it’s not in my nature to do something like nor will I ever do.

I can’t prove or show evidence as that would a leak of personal information or a company identity. (Confidential).

What I have been doing behind the scenes is reaching out to as many people I can within many companies, and sectors.
Most must think I am mad which I’d agree is probably the case, but I did get some interest on which a conversation was due to take place some time this week. As arranged.

But sadly its with news I have not received that call, nor any response from my recent emails. (Why I needed five to get my act together).
So there it is, basically been let down. But I will not less this get in the way of what we are doing.

My ambition to involve others to raise money for the charities involved with Railway 200 and others outside companies, my idea has failed at this point. My Dream.

As I say I will not allow this to interfere with what we have and a see no reason with the unfortunate news as it stands today not to carry on.
What I had planned aside from what your aware of has no effect whatsoever on the fine work that is being done behind the scenes by TrainGeek08 and JPlayz. They maybe someone new soon, so watch this space.

It is sad news but worse things could happen, and i had no expectations so don’t feel to hard one by.

I and we have what we have still and I can’t wish for anything more than that.
The Projects is still alive, and I will endeavour to find out more.

Time for us I no doubt a problem for them so, you never know. We could be breaking up the bottles of champagne on Monday.

That’s all I am hoping for.
Until then it’s a night from me folks.
Lee, TSLP.

 

Hey Lee,
Sorry to hear about this. I understand that it must be hard considering how much you have put into this project. But your right. The show must go on, despite this. The project is so far going well as we've seen and I'm sure it will continue to do so.

I'll be posting an update shortly regarding designs, so watch this space. I have put a lot of thought into the design and any feedback I receive will be used to improve the overall livery.

Take care,
JPlayz

 

Okay, do tell... hopefully it is good news! .

This is to everyone: Personally, I wanted to be involved in the project as soon as Lee first mentioned about it. So when Lee asked me to join this project, I accepted the decision. It's a privilege to be a part of this project and look at where it has took me... (I'm sure its the same with JPlayz too).

Which I'm guessing hasn't happened, judging by the fact that you are making this post ...

No it hasn't. Your idea is still a good idea. It'll help boost the image of the event if you can get companies or even charities involved. I wouldn't be too downbeat about it Lee. This is only a small blip in the road, we'll get through this. You said to me yourself when we first discussed this project, that there might be challenges during it, and this is one of those. Don't let this get to you too much. Keep doing what you are doing, and that's making liveries .

It is really devastating to hear, don't get me wrong. But as I've said above, we'll get through this. Who knows? The call might occur next week for all we know... I wouldn't worry about it. Instead focus on doing what you enjoy, and that's making liveries and making the community proud of your work .

That's it! Just think positively. I know it might be hard at times, but a phone call that didn't happen isn't going to ruin your reputation Lee. Just remember that .

If you want to discuss anything with me (and JPlayz) privately, so it is between the three of us, then that's no issues at all (on my side anyway) Lee . We'll get through this, as a team.

TG08 .

 

Greetings everyone, JPlayz here. I'm sure by now you all now about my involvement in the Rail 200 project, but if not, I will introduce myself. I'm JPlayz, I currently make artistic content in the Off Topic section of the forums and am currently working on uploading my first few Creators Club liveries. I first came across this thread a few weeks back and I was impressed by the content produced by Lee (of TSLP). Lee gave me an offer I couldn't turn down, and here we are.

So with that being said, let's get into it shall we. I am currently creating some designs for my side of the rail 200 project and I've made a few plans to make an EMR Concept class 810 livery. I have a few plans for where I want to take this, but I thought in the spirit of Rail 200, I would let the community decide what is depicted on the livery (whether that is nameplates, fictional adverts for Rail 200, you name it). If you would like to have your say, comment below. All feedback will be considered before a final design is constructed.

On a final note, I would like to once again thank everyone for their support, as well as the Team (TG08 and Lee) who have helped me through this process and I am glad to be apart of this project.

That's all for now. Take care everyone

JPlayz

 

Hey it’s okay, it is what is it is. I still have faith for some reason tho, and because I feel that way I’m kinda okay to be fair.
Any other time I’d fall apart and that would be that, but if you speak to TG08 he may give you more of an explanation of my past.
Especially how I get emotionally, but again TG08 may explain why have all that under control.

Either that or I am only now maturing after 44 years lol. I nearly have a beard for once in my life.
My Mum calls me Benjamin Button.

So yes I am all good and as we agree it will not affect what we have going forward.
I just wanted you all to know the situation in a open manner as I had previously mentioned the call a few days okay.

We now know and so because we now I and we can make clearer decisions about what’s next.

We can act on the intel we with all and run with that.
And support each other as you both have done today in light of this news.

I’ll keep my eyes posted for your updates, but please excuse if I don’t respond tonight. I’ve not slept much last night worrying about today.
Absolutely knackered.

I can focus more on what’s being said too as it way past my med time.
Thanks again tho, we can do this together easy.

Speak to you and TG08 and hopefully the community tomorrow.
Night folks.
Lee, TSLP.

 

Just a quick one folks.

43 803 has been uploaded, thank you DTG, and Railway 200. And to TrainGeek08, and JPlayz1511 for their help and advice over the last few days. And also a big thanks to tomtrainboy#1289 on getting very close to answering a little question that turned into a little fun
So for getting close he was able to give “Pen y Darren” a TOPs number for his involvement with that night’s question.

This is for guys and for you the community.


Thank you and to all that has been involved in getting this done.
And the support shown for this project.

Enjoy folks, she’s yours now. Look after her
Lee, TSLP.

 

Glad I could.. sort of help? To be honestly I don’t know well and truely
Tom

 

Mornings, yes I’m still up and again not slept yet. Spent the night making sure she was ultra perfect

Okay well as always good stuff and I thank you for the kind words of support.
I’m glad your enjoying being part of the team and I, TG08 really look forward to what you come up with for Railway 200.
Noticed the date today, with being so busy I haven’t been paying attention to dates or times. It’s why I look so young.
Oh and Pine Dust. It’s why a Pine Cone is right outside the Vatican. Any other useless piece of information from me there.

Anyway at this rate that time we said we had is sure flying by. So I’m getting my skates on just in case.
Well took me around a week just to do 43 803. So I’ll try help out with your request as community member.

If I may and I’m only bringing this up as again due me being the thread creator I feel its my duty to clear any confusion I feel could lead to any harm coming to a TM. Something I now have to take seriously as I have agreed officially to Railway 200 T&Cs on use of TM and it’s use for promoting.
The information I shall now bring up is for your own ref and others that get involved on this thread. Outside of that I have no duty of care. But here on this thread I feel I do.

So if using a Trademark you would normally require a license from the Trademark owners. Usually at a high cost.
Now with Railway 200 being a National event that Trademark has been granted free us from its owners.

These owners have set conditions of the Trademark for anyone that has signed to their T&Cs. I have.
This is to cover my back for the work I am now doing and to/ or meet the requirements set out by DTG for use of such things.
A users own responsibility if they don’t want a livery taken down. Past experiences.

The important part. By me using Railway 200 logos a logo that is a Trademark then with any trademark I can not do anything to alter its design nor add or bring anything else that could or would harm that Trademark. Ie bringing it in to disrepute by involving a brand they the Trademark owners may not wish.

So to try help you and others on this thread when it comes to use of this Trademark I do feel it’s my duty. Not only as the Thread creator but as member of the team and the community.

Here is a link if you need more information about what I have said.
It’s the official website of Rail 200 on its terms of use when working with a Trademark.
https://railway200.co.uk/get-involved/

Sorry it was a long one. I’m just trying to respect the Trademark and the event.
Help you and others if they too are unsure about Trademarks to the best of my knowledge.

You don’t want hard work blocked do you. So best to always cover you back.
I’ve learned this the hard way my friend.
How, I gave up 2023 Xmas and new year working on Team DTG project and then a LNER train a little after that.
Team DTG was a failure I won’t lie, and a 3 week livery got banned basically even for my own use.

So please make sure your safe, you don’t want to waste that all important time. Time I lost and can’t buy back.

Spend that time wisely.
Find the key to understanding the game of life so you can win at the game of life

It’s a Key part of life, and to a successful one.

Catch you later JPlayz and thanks to anyone that reads this long comment.

Lee, TSLP.

 

Hey Lee,

Thanks for this. I agreed to the terms of the agreement on the website so that's sorted now. I've got the toolkit which I'll use for reference which will help a lot. I may not do the Derby idea just to be on the safe side.

No problem. I know your trying to help me, so don't worry about it

Hehe, I'll keep that in mind when I need it

I've downloaded your livery you made for the HST. It looks great. I think the white ribbon along the side looks great and really adds to that contrast I was talking about. Keep up the good work. Now I just have to follow suit. If everything goes well, I'll start my releases for my own content on Monday.

JPlayz

 

Hello Your didn’t directly help with the livery as such, but you did help support us and help us have a little fun with the questions.

Nothing major, a little thanks can go a long way.
✌

 

Good afternoon everyone, just a little message from me today.

The changelog has been updated to reflect the current state of the scenario. The scenario post is on Page 2 for reference .

EDIT: Scenario duration and difficulty have also been added in too .

Have a great rest of your weekend,
TG08 .

 

Hello, sorry for my little disappearing act. Needed a little time to gather my thoughts.

Last week must have wobbled me slightly so, I’d do apologise.

Right of the go I’d like to say a thank you for not taking the comment the wrong way, yet if you signed up then it’s not an issue now.
Clearly you see I worry a great deal due to the experiences of the past. I possibly went about it all wrong, I’m not fully sure. But if we can do this one by the book then I’ll I will have no worries nor will I be worried for you or TG08.

Like I say tho if that’s been signed then you are now covered and probably more aware of the T&Cs.
And for the clarification on what we ask from users or see from them if using a Railway 200 logo.
For if I’ve signed it and you, possibly even TG08 then we have to withhold that agreement be as individuals or members of a thread involved with promotion on here. As I say what other do outside of that I can’t be responsible for, yet here I can at least do it by the book.

Process on you side. As mentioned in a message where I said I wouldn’t except you to do something I can’t. Well it still stands, It is difficult one I couldn’t do it, its why I’ve looked for assistance and in order of get others involved if they wanted. You have many other time constraints too, so like I said to TG08 it’s hard because of what’s involved and finding the time to work on something.
With something like what I’ve asked you do need focus, but to focus you need time.

Here is where I remembered my Discord account. If time is important then by speeding that side of brain storming up will help us out to focus more for when you eventually get time to continue work.
Yet I do believe speaking from experience that when my back is against the wall I will push harder. So speaking from my engineering days, the days of that let don’t the problem work you, you work the problem.
That could mean sitting for days looking at something over and over, then one day a thoughts appears. By thinking it all out in the head first, how would this go then if I did this how would that effect that, and could they be done with the decals we have. That’s the limits, not our us as creators. That’s a problem and so it must be worked out before conceiving a livery.

If that can’t be done due to decal limitations then you worked the problem out, that being what ever we do then a 1000 is the limit (FACT) and so we must work within those limits or that problem will start working a user by the end if a user didn’t work the problems out before hand.
The problem lies with decal limits, so if it can’t be done properly within those limits then move on to another idea, it’s still working the problem and your making progress. We can only do what we can but like the saying “When the get tough then the tough get going”.

When our backs are against the wall, then it’s when we can be at our best.
If we expect that in life there are facts. Limitations such as it’s a FACT I can’t do my times table. My limitations and excepting them as facts then I don’t waste my time on things I’ll never get past. That way I can find the areas out where I don’t have my limitations.
There will be no limitations if you stumble on something your natural good at, I believe in what Plato said you see.
All men are born with a Job to do, and that’s true.

But I say like all men today have limitations in their lives, like work for example or school even. Man needs time to find him, this is why I gave up work and all materials. Even money. I looked at what caused problems in life, why was it hard.
It was hard because I wasn’t doing what I was naturally meant to in the grand order of this world. Thus working and being a slave wasn’t me.
And now I have the time to be me then I have the time to over come problems. Hence have the time to do the work I do. Time to focus.
You guys don’t have that luxury and like all facts. Time is a fact, it plays a major factor in your life’s.
There not your limitations as an individual but time is a contributing factor on why when it comes to liveries you can’t focus because time is a problem. A fact that we can’t get around unless we see what it take to be our best.

Pushing when the going get tough, overcoming any limitations, be time or skill is when we do our best.
It’s still working a problem out no matter what way you look at it. We process.

And we will only know how far we have come when it’s all over and get the time to look back.
We will see that together we can over come any limitations.

It’s a Fact.

I’ll DM in you a minute mate.
Cheers JPlayz.

Lee.

 

Good Mornings.

Okay I nearly finished 37 501 “Teesside Steelmaster” last night using the colours I thought was correct at the time of doing these. Now at the time of recreating this livery there wasn’t many photos available. The photos available may have also faded or other problems that arise from looking at old photos as a reference.

But recently with 37 501 helping move things around for The Greatest Gathering, hence why I’m posting here, then I now have more reference material.
So as I say I’m now working on a third version using the newer 37 ROG DLC.

Now my worry is look this colour it’s to candy looking not pale like in the recent photos of 37 501.
So my question is, does the ROG version have slightly different colour to the original paint scheme or have I got the colour all wrong from the very beginning when starting on my very first livery?. Because I was working of old photos.

Not sure really as I may just go with what is now seen on current 37 501. A more paler slate shade, not what I have at the moment.
So yes please let me know as I am curious about if ROG has used a different shade in real life to the one original seen in the 80s with its running mate 37 502 “British Steel Teesside”.

Thanks in advance and enjoy your day folks.
TSLP✌

 

Hey Lee,
I just so happened to see this image in one of my magazines I have. Hopefully this helps:

JPlayz

 

Thanks mate, see in that photo you shared it looks similar to mine. But have a look at this shade. It just seems softer not as rich in colour contrast.
I’ll have a mess around see what’s what, but something is off.
Oh and while your here should I attempt at doing a ceremony plate for the front?, again a little unsure because they can look a little silly.

Thank you for trying to help out my friend.
Lee.✌

 

Hey Lee,
The Nameplate would look great. Definitely something to consider Maybe if you try to make the blue slightly paler to make it look closer to it. It looks great so far now.

JPlayz

 

Cheers mate,, I’ll get on to right away and thanks for the feedback on the colour. I agree in making paler, your bob on. Hopefully it will be done soon, pretty chuffed to now I managed to tick the Rog 37 of my Loco DLC list. I adore this Class.

✌

 

Quick colour update. And yes it’s the same colour. An indication of how the lighting effects the colour.
Took about an hour testing to feel happy about the shade.

It’s crazy the difference between the two even tho as I say it’s the same livery.

✌

 

By the way, I'm going to try and recreate the nameplate just so that I have an idea on what it can look like and if you need something to help you visualise it. I thought I had to try it as I can't ask you to do something and not test it out I'll post some pictures shortly

 

The livery still looks good, even if you are having difficulties getting the colours right .

We've discussed colours and in-game lighting before. It cannot be helped sometimes. My advice is when you are happy with a colour that you think matches the real-life livery shade wise, then stick to it .

TG08 .

 

No worries my friend. I’m just working on the Thornaby Kingfisher Logo before I attempt the plate. So that would be well good of you if you make one so I can see, plus you’ll have one yourself then.

Actually this will help for reference,
You see what I mean about looking silly. I don’t like it personally. I can try make it appear 3D but on a curved surface it’s just not gonna work I don’t think. Don’t mean we can’t try tho.

I will keep a look out for when ya done then.
And thanks for your help with this, I owe you one✌
TSLP.

 

Cheers, will do or I’d be testing all night. Just said to JPlayz I’m gonna work on the logo. So I’m quite happy with the shade now. It’s good I am as then I can either jump on to Locomotion No 1 or A 395, (The watch this space post) or the LNER livery.
That’s to name a few, I can’t stop me mate, it’s all I do.

TSW is addictive and should come with a warning lol.
Hope you good to

Cheers TG08, catch ya soon.
TSLP. ✌

 

No problem. Glad to help I'll some for 37501 as well as Thornaby Kingfisher. I'll try and do different versions so that there is some reference material for you

 

That'll be good to get through those liveries. I think 43803 needs a friend lol .

I'm doing grand at the moment, nothing to update anyone on regarding 1Z01, as I haven't worked on it since the weekend.

TG08 .

 

Hey it’s okay buddy I should be ok, but of your doing something then as you may know with the 37/7 then you can’t work from cab end B.
So if you having find your stuck then just give us a shout.

You may want to do the Blue Skirt with Colour Logo if your doing 37 501. Not sure what’s happened to it’s running mate tho 37 502.
Made it for the game but again not sure of its current status. Could do something along these lines but I’ll leave it in your capable hands. You know what your doing when it comes to LE.

✌

 

Oh bless don’t worry 43 803 will have a friend soon. We all need friends
In fact yours may have a twist It’s a secret for now but man it’s looks mint.

Good show my friend I’m glad you doing grand, and that’s fine we can only update when we have something to share.
As always I understand time.

The end product is essential, for fans and for the community.
That can’t be rushed nor should it be.

So it’s all good in the hood.
Right best go, got the Cat pestering for his food.

✌

 

Just a quick update:
I have completed the base for 37501's nameplate. I just need to do some extra details and then I can add colour.

 

Update 2: finished letters. Now to add colour

 

Update 3: The nameplate for 37501 is complete. Now I just have to complete the nameplate for Thornaby Kingfisher

 

Hey, you okay?.
Looks like you’ve been busy on those plates and I like to see a centre line used A must when doing fine work.
Are you drawing them first before making them on LE?. Remember Drawing and LE is technically the same.
Take the knowledge we have picked up over years then apply it to TSW in LE.

For these plate’s your doing. If you did something like this but on LE people may be a little more curious as small majority of users struggle at certain aspects of LE, it would be good for you to work on TSWs LE doing things like this as you will get to grips with make things like this with the LE tools and show users how’s it done

As a example I did a few rough sketches on paper when first starting out, to get the balance of a logo right in my head. But I thought why am I mastering something I can already do (Drawing) when it was the tools on LE that I had to get to grips with.
I can do a sign or logo no problem on paper but LE, that’s a completely separate skill to master. Yet like I say at the beginning there are technical the same as we have to use some methods of what we do for drawing on to LE.

Centre lines and key ref points. Example:
I do all this for every single logo, tops number you name it. They all have to be balanced so it sits right with the model shape and design features. I do this because it’s what I did when drawing, and what I learned from staying behind at engineering school.
By doing it like this to is like reverse engineering. We start to see where the original design a creator took on his ideas cues. By doing what I do with balancing lines etc, then as I say we start to see how the original design process works.

Meaning it will be more accurate because we are taking accurate measurements or balancing the work out first.
The same as drawing and sketching, reference points then it’s the same for TSW, LE. I do all what you see in pink, once I get a feel I will redo such as the window photo.
That gets redone to achieve the same shape but with less decals. It’s only there for me to get reference and see how it sits amongst other decals or logos. All while working of key references of the model.

So yes a little more than I wanted to waffle about
Do what works for you best tho, I have many years experience you could say. Engineering has been a passion and a Job with my love for being creative. Just mix all these hobbies or interests and see what happens.

We can only try.
You’ll see my progress in a moment.
TSLP✌

 

Okay a little update from me on 37 501 “Teesside Steelmaster”. Got most of what you see done over last night. I am happy with the results and as you see have around 200 decals left. Yet I have around 80 decals in reserve.

Yet you see and here is my problem many of you will be aware if following this thread.
I’m not comfortable with placing a plate on the front end. With the light and other features that are in the way of where a plate would need to go. I so wish DTG sold plates I would defo buy one for this event as it would sit right on what I’m doing for the event.
And allow me to do what I want, add the plate.

Sadly DTG don’t offer that option so the only option is make it myself, not a problem it’s the end appearance that I not happy.
I’m just not. So I am thinking of adding something that ain’t on the real 37 501. Nothing to bold, some small and subtle.

But before I go ahead as this is for Railway 200 and the TGG then I thought would they be anything else that would be interesting and appropriate for the event, also for livery and branding that you may wish to see.
Let me know what you think as I can get this one completed and ticked off

Thanks for reading and enjoy this rather sunny day
Bye for now.
TSLP✌

 

Hey,
I'm good thanks. Apart from stressing over my lines I have to keep rubbing out, perfectionism can be a blessing and a curse depending on the way you look at it. But apart from that, I'm great.

To be honest, I've never really used lines for my LE liveries. Mainly just in my drawings. Even my EMR livery doesn't use the structural lines. But I might now as it helps a lot. I may consider using Nameplates on liveries. On my voyager liveries, I have some, like City of Bangor, 101 Squadron, etc... (with the 101 Squadron nameplate, I haven't detailed the symbol which comes with it only because I found it difficult. I may come back to it though.

Your work kind of helped me with this as I wanted to create complex train drawings, but never knew where I wanted to take it. Concepts in particular. So cheers for that

I'll post some pictures later on my thread to showcase some updates to my TFW livery.

JPlayz

 

If you wanted this livery to have a R200 reference on it, and you didn't feel comfortable doing a headboard-style design on the front, then you could do a R200 logo somewhere (on the loco) as a motif towards the event. Just a thought though .

TG08 .

 

That's actually quite a good idea. It's still the same theme, just contains different aspects.

 

Yeah, it would still have the same effect on the event, regardless of whether it is a logo or a headboard .

 

Good good and look I was the same as you in this instance, yet I had a problem I didn’t know, stressing and being very OCD. I was murder with TV remotes. The past, over the years I have seen what gets in the way of my work. Or the way I think of things.
A lot to go into, but quite simply put if we see where we’re going wrong there’s a good chance we can do something about it.
Being perfect or trying to reach perfection can do the complete opposite.
IE you may be focusing so much on perfecting something that you may not see where the imperfections are.

So if things are hard or your not reaching perfection that would suggest something is wrong. Needs improvement and that is imperfections not perfection. I know I have imperfections such as spelling and grammar.
Something I can not do due to limitations.

Yet what ever the case with your work or what you do then problems or not reaching your goals is a limitation.
But like I say by seeing where we have problems or limitations then we overcome and that’s when we see perfection.
You must work on all areas of work or life that cause problems or creates obstacles that maybe seen as limitations.
It how we seek perfection by looking for the imperfections, the problems we create and the limitations we place on ourselves.

Perfection to me is simply harmony. Everything working as one. We must find that harmony in life so it’s flows through work.

We do that by learning and that’s what you have taken from today, a life lesson? or simply learning more on how to do liveries.
So when it comes to rubbing lines out all day ask why, am I doing something wrong.
Because like I have said many times before when I myself have been crying to reach perfection and don’t.
If it’s hard then we must be doing something wrong. Think what could be making it hard and always think out side the box.
Then it will click, fall in to place, balance thus harmony in your work.

Right well didn’t mean for this to be long. Just trying to help tho personally stuff between us.
But don’t worry about paper for now as sad as that maybe. Have a think about going about work with those lines like I have shown and explained.

There are essentially if you want the users eye to not see the imbalances. The eye always picks things out that are not equal or balanced.
Why we have the word Ugly. The eye knows perfection.

Balance work and then it will all come together perfectly.
Just enjoy and as I say if it’s hard then stop think why it is and work from there.

Catch you soon.
TSLP✌

 

Bang on, its what Im was thinking too, maybe a Rail 200 logo placed tastefully somewhere. I feel it would look better than having a false headboard. Sorry for calling them plates or nose plates. So possibly placed on the head code box with a possibly little messages of it’s involvement, I might even contact ROG. See if I could do something fancy for them as a fictional livery. ROG is TOC that takes pride in what it does too.

Anyway I am so glad you think it’s a good work around. As I say I’m not comfortable with adding a headboard that may ruin the overall look.
Maybe JPlayz will do one Two variations for user to choose from then.
So thanks for putting my minds at ease, I can focus on where to go now.

I want to finish 43 803s mate, she’s gonna look super.
Then for my fly by at JPlayz thread I’m thinking Shorts Sunderland
As you can tell I’m itching to make a start on a few other pieces.

So on a side note I do love what DTG has allowed me to continue and be involved with what I love.
If it wasn’t for this game I would be lost, love the game love liveries and to be fair I love this community forum.
I’d be lost with it and your guys help such as today.

It’s mean everything to me.
Cheers folks and thanks TG08 for this one.
TSLP✌

 

Don't worry about calling them 'plates' Lee. I'm sure people know what you mean .

I cannot wait to see what you have planned in the coming days and weeks .

TG08 .

 

Cheers Got to use the right terminology tho if I don’t want to upset rail fans.

Oh I’ve got more than a few plans coming soon, I have that room to finish.
So heads up if you don’t hear from me much in the coming days.

Right should be announcement time from Mr Mystery
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Good Mornings. Okay a few things to post today on a few places, been a busy night.

So following yesterdays discussion over adding a headboard would work or not I have added a few little touches in stead.
Nothing fancy just simple to try and not over do the original vintage livery. The last two photos are ref to decals when out of the LE.

If this works then I can have this uploaded later, I’ll speak to the route planner first before I go ahead

Enjoy your day folks.
TSLP✌

 

Hello again.

Right. Last but not least 43 825 “Locomotion No1”.
Some test shots and with this livery you will notice no red is used. It’s just how it’s end up when trying to find a good balance between the colours while retaining the same theme as 43 803 “Pen y Darren”.

What’s your thoughts?, I kinda like this as it has a more kinda masculine appearance due to use of whites and blues.
Work in progress.

Not sure about the number two, will it disappear in the light with being set against such a light background. Again didn’t want to but it’s to match the front white ribbon. And also thinking about future variations too. Using more red.

Okay that’s it from me.
TSLP✌

 

It is looking good so far Lee. Keeping it consistent with 43803 is the best way to do it. (Especially if I decide to include this in the scenario alongside 43803...)

It is an interesting concept how you are doing the white logo on a white background... Would it not be easier to do the logo in red, so you can see it more clearly instead of worrying about the logo being cut off outside of LD?

I cannot wait to see the finished product though .

TG08 .

 

I agree with TG08 on this one. I feel that the number 2 will just about be visible,but not entirely. It still looks really good though. I agree with it looking more masculine in the sense that it isn't as flashy as Pen y Darren, but it still has a smart look to it.

 

Hey chaps,,. I’ll answer both in this comment.

Thank you as always for this help, and you guys are right, but on top of what’s all been mentioned then I am trying to avoid to much colour as the Drawing is being done in colour. There for I don’t want it looking to cartoony if a multitude of colours are being used.
I’m probably overthinking it as I normally do and because of that I probably lost about an hour or two swapping the decal colours around.

So I will have a play around tonight again, as you guys get the feel of the liveries themes.

You see as I have always said I’m not properly into trains, not because I do t want to but because I can’t store the information.
Now the keys theme is Railway 200 so the class 43 liveries you have been seeing are taking inspiration from key moments in rail’s history.

A time line but done on individual Power cars so they can be placed in sets based on the real historical time lines.
The Front PC rear car would be different as the passenger cars or coaches will twist the colours mid way in the set.
So eventually I will be asking what famous loco or diesel would the community like to see. What deserves a mention for its contribution to rail transportation. Something that was a game changer in technological innovation.

I feel I’m thinking to many things over complicating things when it’s should be quite simple or obvious.
As I have some bad news which I’ll place up on me TSLP thread.

But yes, it may explain why I am probably overthinking things on this one.
I have taken all on board tho, as you share the same concerns and it makes sense.
As I say you guys get the feel of the theme very well, and I fully appreciate the feedback and support.
I think I’m struggling today ya see.

Cheers tho chaps it’s means a lot.
TSLP✌

 

I'm can understand that. When I draw something, I like making it look as realistic as possible rather than making it look too animated. So don't worry about it.

Oh dear. Maybe just chill for the evening then if you feel a bit stressed. You've already done releases some content so take a break