PC Rivet Uk Route Speculation

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  1. Ilba8765

    Ilba8765 Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully it would be
    modern train specifically from Scotland class 380 / Class 385
    would be pleasant.






    I believe it's time for Wales to join in. Ever somewhere in the years ahead.

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  2. RailFan97

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    I might be reading too much into this but during his most recent livestream Richard (aka Dad Rail) said he knows what the new Rivet game is. Could this be because he’s been involved in the development? He’s a freight driver in the south-east of England.
     
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  3. theorganist

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    Yes I heard the same and wondered about that too.

    They do go for smaller routes, something like the Marshlink line maybe a possibility.
     
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  4. mattwild55

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    Does the Marshlink line see a lot of freight?
     
  5. theorganist

    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    Pass, I just thought of it out of the top of my head (like many of my thoughts) as I know it could be the sort of route Rivit might be interested in and it has it's own train in the class 171 (although I would prefer a class 205/207). I think I have heard Dadrail mention the route in the past so maybe he has driven along it.

    Personally I still have a feeling it will be a Scottish modern route with an EMU but the comments by Dadrail do make me wonder!
     
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  6. RailFan97

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    A fair bit. It’s got a branch line to Dungeness Power Station which is only used by freight. It’s also a handy link between the Sussex coast and Kent.

    I doubt it will be Marshlink as I think Rivet know it won’t go down well (another route in the south-east), but personally I’d love to see it in TSW. I think they’d have to do something with East Coastway so you could drive direct from Hastings/Ore to Brighton as switching routes wouldn’t be fun.
     
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  7. mattwild55

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    Additional point - if it was Marshlink with a Class 171, all they'd have to do is change the couplers and the paint job and you've got your WMR Class 170 for Brum Cross-City ;)
     
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  8. heliomass

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    Could it be the Marston Vale line I wonder? It uses Vivarail trains, like the Isle of Wight line.

    (If it is a Scottish line, my hope is for the Borders Line from Edinburgh to Tweedbank)
     
  9. Javelin

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    It won't be anything diesel, the route code states that it will be an ac electric route.
     
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  10. theorganist

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    Oh yes I had forgot about that, I think it is an AC electric route so that rules out anything in the South East apart from HS2 which has been done of course.

    I wonder what inside information Dadrail has then :)
     
  11. OldVern

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    Could be BedPan but that seems a bit ambitious for Rivet. More like St Pancras to At Albans...
    Or maybe part of the LT&S network. However any AC route ex London needs to be at least 40 or 50 miles out to give a decent run and, as I say, I just don't think Rivet are capable of delivering that or anything really complex like (say) the North London Line.
     
  12. theorganist

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    I hadn't thought of the LT&S, I was more thinking ex Southern region but I suppose Dadrail if he is involved at all will know some of those routes.

    I do agree though, when there was talk about the next route being WCML, that it maybe would go to Milton Keynes, I was hoping it wouldn't be that. In my opinion that is too short, you really want somewhere to drive to at the other end which is a major location, like Birmingham, so I would rather wait for them to make longer routes as happened in TSC.

    I think it will be a fairly short but nicely detailed route probably with one train. Then DTG will layer in a class 40 and some mark 2's without a brake vehicle once people start moaning on here about there only being one train!
     
  13. OldVern

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    Hasn't it been classified as an AC route, though. Something like Colchester to Clacton and Walton with a dusty bin (321) or 360 not beyond the realms of possibility.
     
  14. theorganist

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    Yes it has but the mention of Dadrail had mine and I think maybe others minds racing as he seems to be mainly a driver on the old Southern region. He knows what the Rivit route is, of course that doesn't mean he is involved, I was just speculating.

    But yes those routes you mention are very possible, something still tells me it will be a Scottish route though.
     
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    Sure Dadrail is a DTG beta tester, if he didnt know what a incoming route was Id be very concerned.
     
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  16. stujoy

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    Dadrail may know what the route is but that gives no indication of what it is. He’s an ambassador and beta tester and knows about stuff before we do. Him knowing what it is does not make it a route he drives in real life, in the same way as Rivet being in Scotland doesn’t make it definitely a Scottish route. There aren’t many routes it could be from the route code and I think they have all been mentioned by someone already in one of the many speculation threads.

    What it is likely to be is a short to mid-length route with one train, possibly two trains if one is a rework of an existing model, or just with extra layers for existing trains. There is a chance that Rivet may take on more than they have in the past but we’ll have to see in the new year when they start talking about it. So far they have said exactly nothing about it.

    Scotland is most likely because that’s where most of the AC electric routes of a Rivet friendly length are. Somewhere that can reuse the Class 314 as a layer but not necessarily a route that it ran on at the time it is being set, as we know timescales can be flexible to allow existing TSW stock to be reused. All complaints on a postcard please if that happens.
     
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    I wasn't aware he was to be honest, that would explain things then.
     
  18. TSW Nathan

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    First of all. There is no wayyy rivet can or will attempt to make that. Second of all, you can't have WCML without a pendolino! I mean, come on?! :)
     
  19. TSW Nathan

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    I think Rivet are working on ethier Edinburgh to Glasgow via ethier Falkirk or Carstairs, or they are working on Edinburgh Waverly to North Berwick. (Which would be very small and a real shame TBH).
     
  20. theorganist

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    You could set pre-2003 ;)
     
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  21. Mr JMB

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    There is a stream on Thursday and an announcement due between now and then, is it for this route do we think? Are there any routes which have achievements in steam but have not been formally announced yet? Or perhaps it is a different sort of announcement...
     
  22. OldVern

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    Or in 1981... Roarerrr... Working the Down Master Cobbler, big flash and a bang passing Tring, drift to a halt at Cheddington. Cue watching everything going by on the Down Slow until the assisting loco from Willesden passes by. Arrive in Northampton 70' late, scurry home to reheated congealed dinner. Those were the days.
     
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  23. AirbourneAlex

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    I would put a small bet on it being WCML Trent Valley, somewhat long for Rivet but only a handful of stations to model (and technically Lichfield is already part of Cross City). Similar to the TSC version with the Class 350 and a Class 66, with a Class 390 that could follow later on.
     
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    one of the problems I see with the stream is that it might be another "empty" stream. Like unless the route is pretty much done and ready for release, I don't think there would be much to say during the livestream if it were a route announcement. We might ask questions and such, but if the route is still in early works, it would be another stream where they aren't able to give us answers. And a livestream of a route isn't likely either since the achievements haven't been released, talked about anywhere yet. Or it might just be another Q&A stream.
     
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  25. OldVern

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    It will be the Witham to Braintree branch! With a retasked 314 masquerading as a 315.
     
  26. theorganist

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    It was a nice route but it just seems to be a route which goes from nowhere to nowhere, neither Rugby or Stafford are terminating stations and it feels odd picking up a service and finishing a service in the middle, maybe that is my OCD though!
     
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  27. mattwild55

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    I'd have it just to layer some 350s into New Street and onto the Chase line services in BCC, never mind a whole new route to play about with!
     
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    That would be great!
     
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    I mean I certainly would get it but it just seems a route with nowhere at each end, no offence to Rugby and Stafford which are both lovely towns. As I said probably my OCD but I find it feels more immersive if at one end there is a terminus or end point to a service. Years ago there were the Trent Valley stopping services, often worked by first generation Tyseley DMU sets but they ended a long time ago.
     
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  30. AirbourneAlex

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    I think that would have to be the compromise, with routes like the WCML, ECML and MML it's quite difficult to pick a section within a reasonable length where the majority of services are end-to-end drives.
     
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    He could just be involved as a tester/ QC checker though?
    Doesn't necessarily mean he's involved in making it
     
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  32. theorganist

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    I think we resolved this a few posts up!
     
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  33. theorganist

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    I know that is why I would rather wait longer to a time where (if it every happens) that DTG are able to release routes like Euston to Birmingham, we had to wait ten years on TSC.

    Crewe to Liverpool or maybe Stafford to Liverpool wouldn't be beyond possibilities I would have though though.
     
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    Crewe to Liverpool is already in the game. It’s Crewe to Manchester I would like.
     

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