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Route Proposal: South Western Main Line

Discussion in 'Route Suggestions & Proposals' started by 52_Western, Feb 8, 2018.

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  1. 52_Western

    52_Western Active Member

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    [​IMG]
    (image source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_442 442402 "County of Hampshire" seen at Wool, wearing the South West Trains Mainline livery, facing Weymouth, note that the frontal door is standing slightly open)

    What is it?
    The South Western Main Line is the mainline that runs from London Waterloo to Weymouth via most notably Dorchester, Poole, Bournemouth, Southampton, Basingstoke and Woking. There are mostly passenger trains running on this route, although I, personally have seen a few Freightliner Class 66s hauling freight at Dorchester. It runs through Dorset, Hampshire, Surrey and Greater London.

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    (image source: from a YT video called Poole to Weymouth South Western Main Line Class 444 Desiro, a Class 444 can be seen waiting at Weymouth, one of the two terminals of the route.)

    Rolling stock
    The rolling stock on this route is the following:
    1. Class 444 (WAS South West Trains, now is South Western Railway)
    2. Class 450 (WAS South West Trains Blue, now is South Western Railway)
    3. Class 442 (WAS Network SouthEast, then Stagecoach South West Trains, South West Trains Mainline & South West Trains C6, now isn't running on the line anymore)
    4. Class 455 (WAS Network SouthEast, then South West Trains Red, now is South Western Railway, only in/near London)
    5. Class 456 (WAS Network SouthEast, then South West Trains Red, now is South Western Railway, only in/near London)
    6. Class 220 (Cross Country, Virgin Trains)
    7. Class 221 (Cross Country, Virgin Trains)
    8. Class 159 (WAS South West Trains, now is South Western Railway)
    9. Class 66 (Freightliner, EWS)
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    (image source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_450#/media/File:450112_London_Waterloo.jpg, 450112 can be seen inside the London Waterloo railway station)

    Could I please have more information on the route?

    Certainly. The route is 100% third-rail electrified as of now. The Surrey section, where about half of it has become Greater London, was electrified as far west as Pirbright Junction (for Alton) using the 750 V DC third rail system, by LSWR or its successor, the SR before WWII.

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    (image source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_66#/media/File:66598,_Chesterfield_(4288474539).jpg, 66598 can be seen hauling freight near Chesterfield [not featured on SWML, image just for the loco])

    Why this?
    I feel that this route is very scenic and iconic, and it should definitely be made for Train Simulator.
    I, for one, would be overjoyed if this proposal would be turned into reality. Also, I've ridden the Desiros three times, first two times from Weymouth to London and back, and the third time to Woking and changed trains for Portsmouth, to the IOW and back. On the way back, I think I remember boarding an old train (which I now know was a slam-door, presumably a 411, maybe) back to Woking, and the Desiro back to Weymouth was delayed. Both of those were in the late 2000s. Although I've just ridden trains on it two times, I have to say the experience was astonishing. :D

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    (image source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Waterloo_station#/media/File:Waterloo-Station-2013.JPG, an aerial view of London Waterloo from a plane approaching Heathrow Airport from the east. The London Eye ferris wheel can be seen to the left of the station)

    Some more info about its existence for TS
    People could make scenarios set in the 2000s, with the Class 442 utilising the SWT reskins available at Train Sim Design's Website, providing that DTG doesn't release skins for the Class 442 on the marketplace, although these require you to have the Class 442 and the Armstrong Powerhouse Class 442 Sound Pack (Pro).

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    (image source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Waterloo_station#/media/File:Waterloo_Station_clock.jpg)

    Fact
    If the SWML is going to be recreated into TS, so will the Waterloo Station clock, as seen in the picture above. Hopefully it will actually be displaying the in-game time.

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    (image source: https://www.bournemouth.com/trains/bournemouth-to-london/ two Class 442s can be seen inside Bournemouth station, wearing the SWT C6 livery, hence the orange door)

    Here's a video showing the preview for the London Waterloo to Weymouth driver's eye view movie. Parts of the route can be seen in it.



    Last note
    That's it from me. To sum it all up, I'd really like the SWML to be re-created into Train Simulator, and I'd be travelling to and from London Waterloo all the time, and I'd be greatly enjoying myself while doing so. ■

    Your opinion?
    What about you? Do you want to see the South Western Main Line recreated into Train Simulator?
    Leave your thoughts in the comments! Also, don't forget to check out the poll at the top of this article!

    Disclaimer: I do not own any of the media shown here, nor do I claim to. All media belongs to their rightful owners. I just put them in here for illustration purposes.
     
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  2. John Murphy

    John Murphy Well-Known Member

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    I think the South Western Main Line is a much needed addition to either Train Simulator or Train Sim World (although if you're looking for distance, TS would be better). I've had the Portsmouth Direct Line for TS for years now and I always wanted to drive a train into London Waterloo instead of stopping at Woking. Or maybe drive a fast service down to Southampton or Weymouth. It just seems like they cut it too short when they made the Portsmouth Direct Line and should have given us at least a section of the SWML into Waterloo. I just hope they do us all a favor and do it in South West Trains era. I think the new Southwestern Railway livery is absolutely horrible.

    I'm all for making the SWML for Train Simulator. It's a line that's been overlooked for too long.
     
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  3. 52_Western

    52_Western Active Member

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    That is 100% my opinion. I also like the old SWT livery much better than the new grey SWR one.
    We can only hope that DTG decide to do it. By the way, thanks for your comment (and vote!), I appreciate it! :D
     
  4. John Murphy

    John Murphy Well-Known Member

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    I also hope they do this more in TS rather than TSW, because TS is the only chance we have of getting the full route. If they do it in TSW, it might get as far as Woking, but not much further, and the traffic would be little to none in service mode. Now I've never been to Waterloo (actually I'm from America and I've never been out of the country in my life), but isn't it supposed to be the busiest out of the London Terminals? That probably wouldn't happen in TSW and you probably wouldn't be able to get the variety of rolling stock. In TSW, they'd probably just include the Class 444 or Class 450 and nothing else. In TS, we have the Class 444, Class 450, Class 442, Class 455, Class 456, and if you want a bit of a throwback, the Class 421, Class 423, and Class 455 in both BR Blue and Network Southeast livery (I LOVE the BR sectorized era, especially NSE). You might have to go in and add every AI service manually in TS, but it creates a lot more variety which in turn adds a lot more realism.
     
  5. 52_Western

    52_Western Active Member

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    Exactly. If it would be in TSW, you'd have to wait for them to put every single train in, and then wait for them to release an update containing a map/scenario editor, so people can make their own scenarios. But if the trains look so realistic in TSW, even if we would have all the trains like the 444, 450, 442, 455, 456, etc; would it lag very much, if you'd, say, drive past Clapham Junction? The camera would have to render so many trains, the one you're driving, and about 10 more that also go past Clapham Junction. I really think TS is the way to go. You've got nearly all the trains that ever ran on the route (from the last, say 35 (or so) years), and the means to create scenarios. Also, if DTG would do it, they could re-use the Clapham Junction from the London to Brighton line.
    BTW: Do you know if the Class 415 also ran on the Portsmouth Direct Line?
    Thanks!
     
  6. John Murphy

    John Murphy Well-Known Member

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    Ooh, yeah that would be horrible if they did it accurately, but they probably wouldn't. In TSW, the only trains running on the entire line would just be trains bound for 1 destination on the system. Yeah they might throw in a fast train or two, but nothing to reflect the sheer scale of how incredibly busy Clapham Junction is in real life. It would only be SWT too, probably no Southern or London Overground trains. For example, say they did the Portsmouth Direct Line for TSW and were generous enough to make it run from Waterloo all the way to Portsmouth Harbor (instead of terminating it at Woking or Guildford like they'd probably do). You wouldn't get any other trains on the SWML, at Clapham Jct, or at Waterloo other than trains going to Portsmouth Harbor. This would be fine if you were somewhere on the PDL, but when you get to Woking and enter the SWML, you expect to see a ton of mainline traffic of all kinds of different varieties. You would also only have 1 or 2 stopping services and probably 1 fast service in each direction per hour in service mode, meaning it probably wouldn't even be accurate to the real schedule for the PDL.

    In TS, you can make a busy Waterloo, Clapham Jct, and SWML without turning your computer into a repeat of the Chernobyl disaster. Also, you could complete entire services in TS instead of having to end your run only a few miles outside of Greater London. Another minor advantage is that you can enjoy the route in more seasons than just summer or autumn in TS, unlike in TSW where the trees still have leaves in the winter and they just make them white to match the snow.

    Also, I'm not really sure if the Class 415 ran on the PDL. I think they only ran on the South Eastern Main Line and surrounding branches and MAYBE on the Brighton Main Line and what is now the Southern Metro System, but I'm not entirely sure. I've never seen any pictures or videos of 415s running on South Western lines.
     
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  7. 52_Western

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    I couldn't agree more. And it'd probably be more than just a ton of mainline traffic, given that just one car of a multiple unit weighs more than a ton! ;) Also, I feel that for the atmosphere, it doesn't need all those super realistic shaders and textures, I think the graphics of TS are Notch 7 (or Top Notch), for it to look great. I'm also not sure about the 415. Thanks for the reply, though. :D
     
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  8. Robhope

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    I would really like to see this route as well as waterloo to Exeter but has anyone realized that as yet there has NEVER been a route using Waterloo for TS.I just wonder why when there is such a diverse amount of routes and possabillities available.
     
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  9. Cat

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    Although not the complete Waterloo-Weymouth route, SteamSoundsSupreme do a superb freeware steam era Southampton to Weymouth route.

    Have to agree that Waterloo has been long overlooked.
     
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  10. valenta

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    This would be brilliant! It definately would be nice to have a new third rail line
     
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  11. thegevo5k

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    Not only that, we can run some BR-era services on this route. It's certainly open for diversity.
     
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  12. Log_anne

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    You can now do so! The remastered version of the Portsmouth Direct Line, for TS2019, extends the line all the way to Waterloo. Though, I'm sure you'll know this by now!
     
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  13. Mr_Moss

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    This would be a great addition, the line passes through some wonderful scenery at Southampton Docks (especially at night), all through to Poole Harbour, and then some lovely countryside near Dorchester. Would also be great to see the new South Western Railway branding make it into the game officially.
     
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  14. JBtrains

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    Would be good to have the SWML as far of Southampton and across to Portsmouth via Cosham
     
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    what you are all missing with the Weymouth route is the Weymouth quay tramway, a route down to the ferry terminal along a public road with buildings one side and the harbour the other.

    Though sadly not used anymore (it last saw commercial traffic in 1998), it could make for some great additional scenarios of running the Dorset Dawdler (yes that was a service from Waterloo to Weymouth) to the ferry terminal.

    Some POI's on the SWML in Dorset are the single track between Dorchester and Morton, Worgret junction down to Swanage, and the viaduct across Holes bay.

    Lets see what happens it would be great to see in TS and the possibilities are endless with just the Weymouth end!
     
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  16. theobsessedgamer

    theobsessedgamer New Member

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    Maybe Dovetail could do a similar thing to what JT do with the Western Mainlines... They could release it as 2 different routes, They could have the whole route that runs up to places like Southampton, Portsmouth via Cosham + the Alton branch and possibly Sailsbury, ect, And have the second route as an extension for the owners of the updated PDL for less money :)

    The Trains that could come with this route is the 450, 444, 158/159, 221, 66 and possibly a class 707 (Even though it doesn't run on the SWML)

    PS: Am I the only one here that thinks Dovetail and other TS developers don't care at all about the South Western Network?
     
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  17. Dom Whibley

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    You are not the only one who thinks that. I can agree and I'm sure many others do as well.
     
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    There are several regions on the UK not covered completely in TS, and with two versions of the Portsmouth line in existence from DTG alone I wouldn't say they don't care about it, even if they haven't added in another major part of that network.
    Same could be said for the Kent lines (three major London terminals not in the game at all in Cannon Street, Charring Cross and Blackfriars)
    Same could be said for the Valley Lines in South Wales...
     
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  19. S.E.M. 34090

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    The same could be said for the entirety of our railway history prior to 1948...
     
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