Routes Without New Rolling Stock: A No-go?

I am a person who doesn't really bother about if there is new rolling stock on the route. A new route is always good in my opinion, Even doesn't have to be 100% accurate with the buildings. As having a route so detailed will make older PCs and consoles unable to play them as well.

 

Like the joke about the All New British Rail Stayaway Day. We whisk you off to a secret destination then close down the line before you come back.

 

"Won't do anything modern?"
Almost everything in TSW is "modern" as in the last decade.
To get any more "modern" you'd have to time travel.

 

I'm afraid you misread it.

 

Some kind of official livery sets would be cool id $ that

 

Imagine if the S&D had remained open. Would now have been worked by a mixture of GWR 158’s and Turbos, with the odd SWT 159 coming over to Bath. Maybe a token Cross Country Voyager going that way to Bournemouth, too.

Sorry for OT Wibble.

 

Sorry yes, the odd double negative got me.

 

the 146.2 in FTF is one that finally has proper LZB/AFB release procedure, and slightly modified brakes I think (I remember older models braking more strongly, but that might be bad memory on my part lol)

not sure if it fully connects to this topic, but - for countries with highly standardized rolling stock, like Austria, I think DTG should release and really polish the core rolling stock and then release more routes

lets say in case of Austria, you have 4024 and 4746 for regional/commuter, Taurus in its versions for everything from passenger trains to RailJets and freight including heavy freight, maybe also Vectron... do those and you have rolling stock you can use on virtually any and every Austrian route... if you want branch lines, you can add 5047 or Desiro Classic, and if vintage stuff, 1144 and CityShuttle + cab car, maybe Wiesel dostos + cab car

as for Germany, I believe they have most of really important ones out, tho I believe some would use polishing, like 112

like, get the core done, with fundamental functionalities working correctly, and then move on to more exotic stuff, maybe?

 

Not interested that why I haven't bought Glossop. This is a train simulator not a scenery simulator.

 

Trains without tracks would be a bit silly.

 

I believe that's called a bus

 

To address the specific point...what would you add to Glossop? The 323 is what was used on that line, and the 323 already exists for BCC. So.... you wouldn't make any new route that used existing locos? Seems like we wouldn't get any more of the main lines because the same trains run on them so once we get the WCML or the ECML.... no point in any more routes because the stuff that rolls on it is already in game? That seems crazy to me. There's only so many pieces of equipment and they are shared across a LOT of miles of track. That's kind of the whole point.
You're inevitably going to run out of locos far before you run out of routes as this point because DTG only does 50-80 mile segments usually and there just isn't enough rolling stock to be "new" on them that belong on those lines.

For example, if you need 5 routes to complete the WCML, and you already have the stock on the first WCML.... what do you release for all that additional trackage? You can't do anything that doesn't RUN on those lines because people will complain. You can't release things from a different time period because people will complain. You can't release the same stock again...because people will complain

Guess we're screwed and we'll never get them then, because people will complain no matter what.

 

This is why dtg make what they think will sell and not take many suggestions, whining and complaining onboard.

 

Besides that, I think through the next years it will also get more difficult to provide "new" rolling stock to routes because there are only a definite number of trains running. Yes, in the future there will be new trains but at one point, there will be all trains in the game for sure!

 

I have no problem with reusing rolling stock if it means getting a new route to use it on that interests me. Especially if its a train I like. I don't want to effectively limit a potential interesting route from being released because there aren't any new trains to put on it.

I do prefer getting new rolling stock absolutely but it would be a case by case basis for me just like any route purchase.

 

It's simple...whatever goes on a route... goes on a route.
The fetish over "new locos" JUST to have something "new" is a bit obsessive.
Again, it's simple.
If you want something, then propose the route it goes on.
Or add one on an existing route as a stand-alone loco.
It's an unrealistic expectation that everything can be new all the time.
Makes a bit of sense when the whole game is new and nothing exists, but as time goes on there just isn't as much "new" to add.
As krenz said above, there's only so many trains out there....
A real world run that goes from London to Edinburgh on the WCML is going to show up on every new route along that path that's built... but it's still the same one.
Even the livery won't change if it's literally the same one.
People who ask for unrealistic things are just asking to be disappointed.

 

What worries me now is DTG will look to see on how many new lines they can run each bit of rolling stock already in the game without having to build new stock.

 

What a ridiculous statement the 2nd para is - just do it in a different time period lol. You are aware how long the WCML has been there?

There are literally thousands of routes around the world running new stock now alone awaiting simulation, go back in time and that multiples almost without end. Perhaps build some of them first before we start reusing the same rolling stock? I'm happy to see them as layers of course. Mind you that involves a lot of work for the devs and I know how much you care about the little darlings being forced to break a sweat.

 

I don't mind seeing old stock being used on new routes if said stock actually run on that route, however, I'd like said stock to be updated and if possible backdate the updates to older stock.

 

"Fetish" haha, sounds a bit kinky. Should we all be wearing brown macs?

 

Which hasn't happened....the opposite has happened. They are going for routes that enable them to wedge newer stock into them (such as the 390, etc)

 

You seem to forget that DTG only makes for a tiny portion of the world. I agree the rest of the world exists. However, has DTG shown any interest in it yet? The point stands... there's only so much left to include in the UK if you want to stick to "modern." The Class 70 perhaps, or Voyagers, etc. at 2-3 routes a year, how many more can you include?

Yes, you COULD do "older routes" but there is a huge uproar already about "we don't want that old stuff give us NEW routes!"
There was a huge outcry and whining when JT decided to do the 1980s for it's latest route.

(And even then there's only so much available there without going to pre-1980s which much of the player base and as a result DTG seem quite allergic to recently)

If people are complaining that 1980s is "way too old" then asking for the 1960s is going to put them into fits.

 

No idea what a "brown mac" refers to.

 

Best you don't

 

I think DTG should put more effort into developing trains, instead of continuing to develop routes that sometimes (like the Maintalbahn) take up space on the HD for nothing.

I would be interested in the BR 642, but I have no intention of buying that (truly) terrifying job.

They can't even separate a rolling stock from a route.

There is this rigid timetable fixation in the TSW and, in the end, it is complicated even just to get a pack of freight cars that you can use freely with the Free Roam option.

Where is Rail Traction with its works?

Why do they continue to advertise the advent of new external developers, if nothing happens then?

I am really bored of this situation.

 

I feel the same way... waiting for it to drop very low in a sale, so I can add the 642 to my collection.

 

Then how come many on here want routes that aren't modern?

From what I recall it was warmly welcomed.

 

It would be nice to see new trains from time to time. I remember one of the criticisms of rush hour was the fact that it basically had recycled rolling stock. I don't mind recycling content if it runs on a line in real life, but new rolling stock would add variety. It can get rather tiring to get routes with reused rolling stock over and over.

 

If this is a way to improve the quality of a route, why not. And besides, if there is the specific rolling stock for the new route in the game, why invent new stuff? And be sure, if there is a loco specific for a route, that is not in the game, even DTG will make it (more or less good)

 

My lack of interest in Manchester Commuter is less due to the lack of new rolling stock, and more because I believe the route itself was a poor choice considering they couldn't use new stock. If they realised they couldn't go down to Crewe then they shouldn't have done it.

Whether I'm fine with more new routes with no new trains depends on both the specific route and train. On the one hand I'd happily throw money at another route with the Pendolino or TGV, although a route with just Electrostars or just blue 45s, 47s etc would be a harder sell. I imagine this forum would defend the latter though.

 

It was largely although there were a few vocal members moaning at the era it was set in. It's not like there hasn't been a procession of modern routes since TVL!

There was much moaning when TVL was released, after NTP, "why are we getting all these old routes". I bet those same people aren't moaning now!

 

It's like when people moaned there's too much Southern region. Now it's too much LM.

IC Swallow, Regional Railways and Railfreight are sorely missing imo.

 

If we’re honest it is a bit of a cop out to recycle rolling stock. I’d much rather they’d use their time to build everything new including rolling stock. Rehashes are fine for adding layers of course.

 

Who are you speaking for? I don't think it is a "cop out" if the stock fits the route.

It is always good to have something new to drive but it isn't a deal breaker for me if there isn't, if might be if we didn't get any new trains for six months or so. That is my honest opinion.

 

I would say that I don't mind it if some part of the stock has been particularly altered or enhanced. ATS's route brings suspension physics to the Northern 323, and part of me hopes this means we can also sub that back in on Glossop. Cargo Line 1's EWS 66 featured updated lighting across the board. In the case of this new German route, I would hope that they use it as an opportunity to take an older loco like the MRCE 182 and give it some new physics and sounds.

Of course what makes an even better re-release is a retexture or a remodel. This won't always be an option though and I recognise that, some examples have already been given such as the Kent coastline, and once we have the Scotrail 156 and 153 that would otherwise effectively write off any Scottish branches not yet featured - it is a very large area of many lines served by a small number of classes. In those cases I would suggest perhaps a re-release of something else parallel to it, a new variant of something else to make a cameo appearance but not be the central star of the timetable. Take the Kent coast for example, obviously there isn't much else beyond the 395 and two 375 variants that you can feature as far as regular stock goes, so I would perhaps throw in a Class 37 and some old coaches in a Network Rail yellow livery. They obviously won't be a massive timetable filler, they would just have a couple scenarios and a few runs up and down the line, but it would be a fully new livery for that train which would bring more value. It is effectively the same concept as seen from both Rivet and DTG in the past, with the Class 37's original (without NTP layers) timetable on WCL, and recently with the Flixtrain Vectron which despite both being a separate loco addon and featuring both a whole new brand and completely new coaches, also has a very limited timetable.

That's just my suggestion for how to maintain the value. If there isn't any major new features then I would still hope for a discount, and I would still say the same for ATS's route as suspension physics are nice but still not a massive deal, and guard mode isn't something I see any value in and I still haven't touched it even once since launch. Not a massive discount, the route scenery and detail will still be amazing I'm sure, so just knock a fiver off it and I'd be satisfied.

 

To be honest, I'm OK with devs re-using rolling stock, and it can be enjoyable to drive a well-modelled loco on another route (the 465 could do with another route for example). My main problem with this upcoming ATS route, is that while the 323 is the most common unit, there is a plethora of other units that run on that line also. However, I get that they hadn't got the grasp of Simugraph etc, and there possibly is another EMU/DMU in development for the route for the future.

 

Well the big problem in accepting reused stock is that it might encourage laziness from the devs, as per Glossop - how did that sell compared to a completely new route with new rolling stock?
I don’t want to pay just for new scenery, I want the whole dlc to be new including the most important part of any train simulator - obviously the train.
I am perfectly entitled to feel that way as I’m speaking for myself and it is a dealbreaker for me. I shan’t be buying any rehashes. You throw your money at DTG if you want, some of us are on a budget.

 

Well you seemed to be speaking for more than yourself in your opening sentence!

Do you think those who built Glossop were lazy? I don't, but that is one of those throwaway "bingo" card words we get on here which I find to be disingenuous.

The majority of releases have come with new stock so it is hardly a regular occurrence.

If a route is released which doesn't particularly need a new train I don't see the problem.

I will continue to "throw" my money at this hobby as I see fit as I am sure you will spend yours how you see fit.

 

Hardly lazy when it'd have taken them a few months to build, as well as add in the Guard Mode (albeit only one scenario but still).

Sooner or later, they'll have to reuse old stock. If that day came, would you still not buy DLC for having a "re-used train"?

In which case, DLC for a game would be the least of your worries.