Route S-bahn Vorarlberg - Feedback Thread

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  1. mattwild55

    mattwild55 Well-Known Member

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    Please can this be looked at again? The concept is great but the execution is shonky as hell.


    1) It's super pixelated and needs to be higher resolution
    2) The PIS bug from TVL has carried over where you can see early morning trains taking over the top of the departure board completely out of sync
    3) It's too bright
     
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  2. cloudyskies21

    cloudyskies21 Well-Known Member

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    The PIS destination boards need a lot of work on this route. For example:

    - Has anyone noticed that the S1 services to Lindau now show Bludenz on both train and platform instead?; it's odd as during Early Access I'm pretty sure this wasn't an initial issue.
    - No off-world destinations shown for trains leaving the map (which ruins the immersion a lot!).
    - The PIS boards at Lindau are completely blank for the DB 612/628 AI services, again, ruins the immersion as I'd like to know when to see them and where they are going.
    - Not PIS, but related to stations, but where is the station announcements like that of previous German routes? The near-silence is odd.
    - Again, not PIS, but another frustrating issue is the inconsistency of stop markers which makes driving HUDless difficult as you don't know where too stop i.e. some stations completely lacking a 70m stop sign etc.

    Elsewhere, does anyone know what the frequency of the DB 612/628 AI services at Lindau - I'm hardly seeing any traffic from these, and if I do, they seem to leave Lindau again very quickly.
     
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  3. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    What I am really enjoying a lot at the moment is the additional gameplay element that comes with the fact that switching between high beams and reduced headlights actually makes a big difference, especially since the wayside signs are actually reflecting the light properly, even in the halo that the high beams create in fog. So night driving feels much more immersive.

    Some niggles though:
    – The red-on-white speed signs (Geschwindigkeitstafeln und Ankündigungstafeln) are almost illegible when reflecting.
    – Since the headlights of trains coming from the opposite direction are not rendered before you almost hit them, you can hardly lower your lights before meeting them (general issue).
    – Since switch indicators apparently are always rendered in their normal position (even if the switch is actually in reverse position – or the other way around, depends on location) until you get quite close to them, you can sometimes see them flip in your headlights like startled wildlife (general issue). Is already weird during day, but all the more in the dark.
    – Most lampposts are rendered (at least on my system) in a weird way that makes them look like a broken line of dark and light segments.
    – Hörbranz station needs some more light
     
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  4. mike#4092

    mike#4092 Active Member

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    Good eye! Most people do notice nothing.
     
  5. vkulikovsky#8124

    vkulikovsky#8124 New Member

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    The route is wonderful, but why didn’t they add the city of St. Margrethen? Because of this, all services towards Switzerland are shortened, especially for RaBe 523 ending in Bregenz. I would also like to see a line to Buchs passing through Liechtenstein.
     
  6. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    ... especially since this would have provided the single chance not only to add one more country to the list of countries represented in Train Sim World, but also to represent one country's rail network in its entirety. :)
     
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  7. Mr heff

    Mr heff Well-Known Member

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    Btw the cruise control does work, I've since tried it. You must enable the cruise control switch when moving at speed and then it can be adjusted on the MFD from there. Reducing the throttle to idle or braking will automatically cancel cruise control and the switch must be reset to use it again.
     
  8. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Depends on how long the swiss line would have been. The 44 miles was complex enough with the scenery and timetable and making it feel like Austria.
     
  9. huddo

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    The scenario “International Rescue” begins with the cheerful greeting “Welcome to Wolfurt” Too bad you’re actually starting from Lustenau.
     
  10. vkulikovsky#8124

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    But a 3 km line could be added to St. Margrethen, so as not to cut some services in half.
     
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  11. MonacoCharlie

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  12. thanks for that fort mite be cheers
     
  13. bdobronz1968

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    I can’t open the passenger‘s doors of the IC coaches with the BR 182 - do I something wrong? My workaround is leave the cab, open one door of a couch manually and go back into the cabin. Closing the door works.
     
  14. Trainiac

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    There is no point in this OHL overlap if the wires aren't going to be switched out btw. (Germany - Austria Border)
     
  15. MonacoCharlie

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    The OHLE is alright for the most part. Especially Lindau reuten to the border has some wires flying around visibly wrong
     
  16. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Are you trying to use the switch or are you using the dispatch menu? Or do both not work
     
  17. bdobronz1968

    bdobronz1968 Active Member

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    I tried the switch and „steering cross“ on my controller. I‘m on Xbox.
     
  18. chrisle#8401

    chrisle#8401 New Member

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    At the Szenario "Alles geben" i have a bug. (PC, Latest TSW4 Steam Version)

    I just noticed that about 5KM before Lindau I can no longer give the Talent any more power. Even if I let myself taxi to Lindau at the remaining speed and then change the driver's cab there, I can't drive off.

    I've restarted the scenario 3 times now, always the same problem.
     
  19. steamylocoman

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    Sounds like you passed an neutral section maybe?
     
  20. chrisle#8401

    chrisle#8401 New Member

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    Its in the DTG Szenario
     
  21. steamylocoman

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    It's an route feature the Neutral section
     
  22. chrisle#8401

    chrisle#8401 New Member

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    I've now found the problem, the traction lock kicks in, but I can't deactivate it.
     
  23. Sharon E

    Sharon E Well-Known Member

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    Wow, this is a fun route to drive in the Talent 1. I don't know how close to reality the brakes are, but this thing stops on a dime, even from over 100 km/h+.
     
  24. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    There is a signal repeater (Signalnachahmer) when exiting Nüziders towards Ludesch (northbound) that seems to be permanently on, even though the corresponding main signal is clear. This has jumpscared me a couple of times..
     
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    It’s the neutral section, when you see the blue signage, you need to open the MCB when you see the first & then close it after you’ve passed the third blue sign.
     
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  26. bdobronz1968

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    Figured out what I did wrong. There is a separate door side switch right above the drive direction leaver which must be moved from 0 to the side the doors should be opened. After that it’s possible to open the doors using the driver's desk door opening switch.
     
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  27. dtg_jan

    dtg_jan Community Manager Staff Member

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    Thanks for flagging this, tried it myself and can confirm it shows up like this on all stations with a PIS screen.
    Raised it internally and it's being worked on. Both the blurry textures as well as the AM/PM confusion on the screen.

    All the best,
    Jan
     
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  28. dtg_jan

    dtg_jan Community Manager Staff Member

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    Just saw this, can confirm this as well. Reported and raised, thanks for bringing this to our attention!
     
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  29. hypospray

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    One thing i don't like on this route comes with the reduced draw distance on Xbox Series X compared to PC.
    It cut out a lot of the background mountains, makeing the scenery on this route look bad compared on what you see on PC.

    A lot of the mountain scenery gets lost, even on Gen9 consoles. It does not look like what they show off on screenshots, or what you see on preview streams taken on PC.
     
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  30. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    I noticed that too. on my PC the route looks amazing. On my Xbox X not so good as you mentioned with the the scenery
     
  31. hypospray

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    This is what is looks on PC
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    And this is on Xbox Series X
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    Quite a difference on scenery and really disappointing
    Makes me really want to switch from gen9 Xbox over to PC. But I dont want to spend several 100 EUR again to rebuy all the DLC I already own...
     
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  32. dtg_jan

    dtg_jan Community Manager Staff Member

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    Just going through reports bit by bit, flagging everything I see, trying to reproduce myself. This is obviously very time intensive, if anyone else has played this service, can you confirm this happened? Will try to reproduce over the weekend, but if someone else can confirm I can report it right away.
    Thank you very much,
    Jan
     
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  33. sylvain

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    I, while being a passenger in talent BR 4024, encountered a bug with the main circuit breaker,
    at a given moment the motor stops while the train continues to roll and/or accelerate, and the main circuit breaker must be switched on again
    and this happens with all BR 4024 trains
    please dovetail thank you for correcting this bug
     
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  34. Fawx

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    That's the neutral sections on the route, they trip the breaker. It's probably not meant to happen when you aren't driving the trains though.
     
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  35. OnlyMe1909

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    I haven't played the new routes yet. Lately, several new routes in the game have these neutral sections. I trust that DTG has put some explication about what to do and how these are announced (track-side signalboards) in the tutorials?
     
  36. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    I just played the service in question – S1 (25809) 12:21 from Lindau to Bludenz, on Epic Games Store though, timetable mode, date of today, dynamic weather starting clear – and it finished without any problems.
    [​IMG]

    EDIT: But it is true, arriving there 2-2,5 mins late (I replayed from a savegame starting at Schlins), you get held at red at signal ES/Z (as a matter of fact, you don't even get to this signal because the repeater at exit Nüziders is fitted with an active 2000 Hz and will stop you short if you try to leave the station). [Also the train got completely silent when standing still after loading from the savegame]

    Dispatcher says "Denied, Wait for signal to change". At about 14:00 the train sitting at platform 1c is allowed to leave and leaves. At about 14:01:05 signal ES/Z clears to "FREI MIT 60km/h" and we can enter the station and finish the service. So all good.
    [​IMG]

    I guess the dispatcher can't let us in earlier because there is a little conflicting piece of track behind signal AS/R2.

    Makes you think.. would it not be possible to route the incoming and the outgoing train in a way that their paths don't cross? Might prevent some preventable delay..
     
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  37. tygerways#2596

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    Since I cannot find a thread dedicated to feedback on the new scoring system, I post this here, hoping it will find its way.. Forgive me if it has already been posted anywhere else.

    On some services you get less points for not using the wipers in rain (+52 instead of +65 per tick), even though you have the wipers running vividly (e.g. Journey Mode, REX1 (5589) Lindau Hbf to Feldkirch, 17:20h). This can be fixed by turning on the wipers ON THE REAR CAB. Then you can even turn off the wipers on the front cab and still get full points.

    So apparently the scoring system sometimes targets the wrong end of the train for checking what is being done. Needs to be checked if this can happen with safety systems used and cab setup as well.
     
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  38. cloudyskies21

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    I agree and would have liked to have seen it go to St, Margrethen too. While obviously this would have required Swiss signals/infrastructure, but as it's literally just a few KM, surely for DTG could it have been wise to have asked Rivet to lend a hand with such considering they're already have much experience thanks to their existing Swiss TSW routes. Also agree that Liechtenstein would of been quite exotic too; am I right that OBB operates/maintains the entire track in Liechtenstein?
     
  39. tygerways#2596

    tygerways#2596 Well-Known Member

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    According to my information, yes (line number ÖBB 303 01).
     
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  40. Mr heff

    Mr heff Well-Known Member

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    I'm confused about PZB on this route. I've played for a little bit now but I'm consistently noticing that there is no 500Hz magnet... anywhere? Surely this can't be accurate right? It almost completely eliminates the benefits of the PZB system at stop aspects!
     
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  41. tygerways#2596

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    This is most probably correct. Especially on older routes, ttbomk, only very few to no 500 Hz magnets have been installed.

    In many cases this was compensated by placing 1000 Hz magnets at distant signal repeaters (Signalnachahmer, recognizable from their yellow frame) that are active if the corresponding signal is red (what is allowed in Germany, but ttbomk rarely done).

    To make up for the missing 500 Hz magnets when starting your train at a station, you can also find 2000 Hz magnets placed at the first repeater when exiting the platform (rather than at the exit signal itself), an arrangement that you would rather not find in Germany.

    Also, the rules for releasing from a PZB monitoring seem to be more restricting compared to Germany, what can also compensate for the missing 500 Hz (that would prohibit the release in the first place).

    I am planning on doing a workshop/tutorial stream tomorrow night about the PZB installations in Austria, so if you are interested, feel free to join in the discussion.
     
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    The environment is PC Steam.
    I'll play around with it briefly and report on what you guys haven't talked about.

    It's a collectible, but chocolate doesn't count.
    For that reason, I am unable to complete everything.

    Scenery along the line
    1. There are several parts where the car is floating in the air.
    2. Houses on high ground near the mountains are still floating in the air.
     
  43. cloudyskies21

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    According to Lukas' explanation in the Vorarlberg preview - see 1hr 38mins 08sec into the stream specifically - this is realistic as there's mostly no 500Hz in Austria.
     
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  44. Mr heff

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    Thanks alot. I decided not to bother with the preview stream so i appreciate your reply.
     
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    Thanks alot for the explanation. I'll definitely watch your stream :).
     
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  46. sylvain

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    I, while being a passenger in talent BR 4024, encountered a bug with the main circuit breaker,
    at a given moment the motor stops while the train continues to roll and/or accelerate, and the main circuit breaker must be switched on again
    and this happens with all BR 4024 trains
    please dovetail thank you for correcting this bug
    Does anyone else have a problem with the circuit breaker?
     
  47. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    It's not a bug. It's real life. You're going through a neutral section which shuts off power to the unit. Look for blue signs. When you see the first one, open mcb and when you go through all the signs, close mcb. If you forget, it does it automatically but you have to close mcb after going through the zone
     
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  48. tygerways#2596

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    Of course you are right. But it shouldn't happen when he is riding as a passenger. The AI driver should take care of it.
     
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    Should I be hearing a door closing warning sound on the TALENT, either inside cab or in exterior view? I’m not hearing anything audible currently. Xbox X.
     
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    Done a bit more on the route this evening (Bludenz to Feldkirch) and the scenery is excellent. Hard to reconcile these results with that editor… :)

    My only slight niggle is that just as with the Class 700’s on SEHS, we get another all stations bus service. I probably need to investigate the timetable in that respect but where are the long distance IC and EC services that operate along this route? Certainly scope for a DLC to drop these in as it gets tedious constant stop/start.
     

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