Sure. For a start there's too many services. There's only one Inverness service a day in each direction on LNER, and around 3 Aberdeens, which would go via Fife Circle anyway. By always starting them in the north side of Waverley (at least on the ones I tried) you have to cross over at some point. Is it not possible to use the through platforms on the south side? That way you can avoid the cross over.
Didn't look at the map, but I noticed that on the first PIS board I passed on the relevant platform at EDB on 1E11 it didn't seem to have anything on, but then the next one did. So similar perhaps.
Noticed it does not seem to be possible to walk to Platforms 8 and 9, at least from the way I tried - probably a rivet bug to do with the build though - as opposed to the timetable. This could affect which platforms are used perhaps? Regarding 801s and FCL, we won't see them on FCL due to there being no overheads, so I would rather they appear on E2G - even if slightly not prototypical. Been the best drive I've had on the route so far. Things I would like to see, if feasible, include 390 drivable between EDB and HYM.
Unit number doesn't seem to show on in cab stickers Coach numbers don't seem to show on in coach stickers
Those last two platforms, that's on Rivet. They aren't even finished. And here's the odd thing, you can actually drive into that side of the station when you create a scenario! It's the only path for trains heading to Edinburgh. I asked Rivet to please fix it, never happened.
I mean, I can't say I'm surprised! The sad thing about Rivet is they could get so much goodwill from the community by going through and fixing bugs and issues. I know some, like the 385, aren't necessarily fully up to them (requires scotrail's help), but other improvements to bring it up to scratch would be good. look at what skyhook's doing - this isn't even their route. They released a loco DLC, which improved it, and then they have released a free upgrade to it massively improving it even further! Very impressive tbh, as are the updates to MML from what I've read - now just need a nice Christmas playstation sale to get it! If it lets you drive into them, perhaps it could be set for a timetable service, but it's difficult to know if this would be a good idea without knowing the state they are in - if unfinished, and significantly so, maybe best to avoid. I suppose we can view it as a platform alteration. "This is a platform alteration. Customers for the XX:XX LNER Azuma service to London Kings Cross, your train will now depart from Platform 1."
Non-functional for now - hopefully a fix on the way. Worst case scenario, they aren't coming to the train yet and were included in patch notes by DTG as an error. I've tagged Luca to check in the other thread.
When I look at the layers for the new Edinburg Sprinter timetable it says Cargo Line Vol 1 Petroleum and indicates that it is not owned. I do own all the Cargo Line DLCs. I have uninstalled and reinstalled the Cargo Line Vol 1 DLC but it does not change it in the layers section and I do not seem to have any services that use the petroleum cargo. I do see the Class 66 from that pack available to drive, but only Class 66 services with the Cargo Line Vol 2 cargo or the Rail Enhancement Pack services. Let me know if I can send you more information.
I like the new timetable. It's nice and busy. First run in the Azuma, lovely! Nearing Polmont, two yellows. Brakes. What the...? SPAD! That'll teach me to assume the two yellows just meant a red after the platform at Polmont. D'oh! LucaZone When does the Flying Scotsman run as AI please?
The headlight proving panel inside the cab is still broken after the update. Still shows 1 tail light and 1 headlight are on after a while, even though day headlights are switched on. XBOX Series S/X LucaZone
I tried Guard Mode too on the 158. It works but suffers the same problem as the 170 on Fife, in that your head tends to get stuck on or in the ceiling from time to time.
Very pleased with the range of destinations shown (Northallerton and other ECML stations for example), and like the buzzer a lot. Same happens with head in the ceiling and you have to walk back down on other trains like 801 etc., Just seems to be that on curves particularly, and with narrow aisles, you end up clambering over seats. Not too dissimilar from in real life I suppose.
Hiya, Thanks everyone for the feedback. We're really excited to see everyone enjoying the update. Here are some responses to questions so far. Some PIS boards do not show any departures, or show incorrect information. >> All services are setup with appropriate data so this must be a route issue. There are to many LNER services operating north of Edinburgh. >> The Sprinter timetable features the following. Routing is via Polmont to make them accessible to drive. 1W02 Leeds - Aberdeen (Not player drivable) https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71591/2024-12-17/detailed#allox_id=0 1E03 Stirling - London Kings Cross (now showing as starting at Edinburgh IRL. Recent timetable change?) 1E11 Aberdeen - London Kings Cross https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71421/2024-12-18/detailed#allox_id=1 1E15 Aberdeen - London Kings Cross https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71433/2024-12-18/detailed#allox_id=0 1E25 Aberdeen - London Kings Cross (Not player drivable. Implemented as starting at Edinburgh. IRL timetable change?) 1E30 Aberdeen - Leeds https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71475/2024-12-18/detailed#allox_id=0 1W11 London Kings Cross - Inverness https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71593/2024-12-18/detailed#allox_id=0 1W16 London Kings Cross - Inverness https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71596/2024-12-18/detailed#allox_id=0 1W20 London Kings Cross - Inverness https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71599/2024-12-18/detailed#allox_id=0 1W22 London Kings Cross - Stirling (Implemented to return service 1E03 to start point) 1W24 London Kings Cross - Inverness https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71602/2024-12-18/detailed#allox_id=0 Why use the north side of Edinburgh instead of the platforms on the south side in order to avoid running via Haymarket 1 & 2? >> As you later note, the island platform outside the main station canopy is not accessible in TSW and also not fully modelled. So player drivable services have been moved to the through platforms on the north side. >> For trains that are only visible between Haymarket and Edinburgh we have no plans to make them drivable. >> For trains that only operate out of the eastern end of Edinburgh we have no plans to add them (with the exception of the LNER services which help to populate the south side concourse that players have access to). Auto Announcements seem buggy and only partly functional. >> This is largely targeted at use on the Fife Circle Line and its associated Sprinter timetable. >> The Flying Scotsman rail tour departs Edinburgh at 11:35. Why is Cargo Line Vol.1 Petroleum listed in the layers? >>This was part of an effort to have petroleum trains cross the line in the vicinity of Castlecary heading to/from Grangemouth. Sadly they never seemed to work but have been left 'unhooked' in case they can be fixed in future. Headlight Proving panel still buggy. >> Can we take this function out the back and shoot it?
Thanks for the response. May I clarify re Flying Scotsman: which month(s) does it run, or is it all year round?
The update is great so far - I've not noticed any bugs that haven't yet been mentioned, other than this one; (apologies if it has already been mentioned) For some reason, the route's textures will randomly go insanely blurry.. there's no particular areas that do this, it just happens randomly. I have seen this before however not on this route. (I'm on Xbox Series S)
Difficult to explain. Kind of like as the train goes round curves, and it tips, when you walk forwards you have a tendency to move slightly sideways in the direction of tilt. This causes you to end up where the chairs are, and be elevated in the carriage, perhaps with your head in the roof. You then continue walking, and it puts you back on the ground. Sorry if this isn't well explained - a video would probably explain it well, but I'm not on my console just now
LucaZone Thanks for your hard work on the update - really enjoying it. 801s There was a timetable change effective from Sunday 15th. LNER has cut back certain extended services. For example, no more Glasgow and Sunderland. So reduced Stirling/Aberdeen possible too maybe. I was just wondering why the 1W02 is not drivable please? If going via Polmont like the others, could it be made drivable possibly in a future update please? North Side of EDB Hopefully Rivet properly model it and then it can be used HYM Driveable Thanks for the update on this. Would be a very short hop I suppose, and I don't know the technicalities of making something drivable so it may not be worth it - but would be cool nonetheless as would have the 390 drivable. Eastern End Is the Eastern End of EDB like the other side compared to where 385s go out of towards Glasgow? If so, on the Azumas, for example 1E11, it puts us stopping the train at the Eastern End. I could see another 801 over to the right which I found cool. Perhaps, even if not timetabled Ai for now, would it be possible to get static stock please? Or is that more something the route maker, rivet, would need to add? Thanks
PC Steam. I found out that the auto-announcements don't work properly on the 158. In the start message it leaves out all the station of the route except Haymarket. I'll have to drive to see what happens next. In conductor mode the announcement are gone. Coimpare Fife Circle Class 170 where it works as long as you start from the timetable in both modes. Can this be fixed and will we have the 158 on Fife?
Auto-announcements not working properly: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...s-158-did-i-miss-something.87846/#post-944881 158 on Fife: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/scotrail-class-158-feedback-thread.83069/page-3#post-943737 AND https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/scotrail-class-158-feedback-thread.83069/page-3#post-934661
I was the guard, and was in the rear cab - in the secondman's seat.. thought I'd clarify that, just in case you were thinking I was being a bad driver!
I seem to keep getting stuck moving through the gangway, I sometimes look like I’m standing on the top of the seats.
That's the only thing they could use. You can turn off the layer if you want. But you either have more traffic while sacrificing realism a bit or be realistic and have no traffic
I already have but even with the layer on, on some services there would be just two other trains in Waverley (not counting the hidden Pendolino in a platform you can't access.). So hardly busy. What I'd love to see. Is DTG do an official 800 version which can then be used to simulate the AI services going via Fife Circle. (They can make money off it from making another LNER-based route utilising it). Rivet to sort out the two inaccessible platforms and finish modelling them. Which would then allow Skyhook to tweak their timetable and have 800s as AI. And if they insist on 801s to Polmont, then it allows them to better utilise the right paths and platforms at both Waverley and Haymarket. It won't happen, but we can dream!
I, too, am having issues moving through the gangway in a four-car set when it is in motion. Is there anything that could be causing this?
Hiya, Are you on PC or console? I have read on Discord that anyone on PC with a lighting mod for the 158 is getting the same issue. If you are on PC and have mods installed, it'd be best to uninstall them and ensure the 158 is working as intended. Then add back any mods you want and see if things continue to work correctly.
I’m on PS5, so no mods, and get this. But I mentioned in this or another thread that it happens on other locos too - particularly on curves, so not necessarily a 158 bug specifically
Went for a walk through this pair en-route, didn't experience any issues on my journey. PC player - Steam.
If it was on previous timetable then I missed it, but it's nice to see AI services into Queen Street from Anniesland direction. Noticed one waiting for the road as I headed out. Downloaded a few Scotrail reskins of the HST and while it hasn't changed all the HSTs, much more bearable now seeing most of them in their current livery. Finally, I do enjoy seeing the 158 and 170 coupled together that appears as AI on the E2G route. Bet that would be a pain in conductor mode!
Some feedback on the timetable, I was on 1R38 Glasgow to Edinburgh. Problem was on the approach to Linlithgow - the train on the opposite tracks (a 385) didn't make use of the full platform, stopping halfway down it and therefore not leaving the previous signal block. As the previous signal block is a junction that led to me getting a red when I shouldn't have until the train on the opposite side of the tracks had finished its stop and departed the platform.
Is the 158 coming to the fife circle timetable? Or has this been dropped? Seems a shame not to be able to drive the 158 to leven etc.
I actually bought it for Fife... but i started to play Edinburgh-Glassgow again (which i quite dislike until this update)
Typical, we were promised 158s on Fife from the start of the Leven Branch when the 158 first launched. In fact I'm sure it was said when the 158 was first announced almost a year ago.
I will admit that I was sceptical with the 158 with some interesting reviews and complaints when it first came out, also since it didn't really have a "route" yet also turned me off the idea of getting it (didn't help of course that we already have a 158 either). I relented today and bought it since it was a few quid cheaper on sale, I have been pleasantly surprised I really like that there is an EG timetable with lots more services giving the line some much needed life (I had until today never completed one end to end run on that route as I was so disinterested in the 385). I did Queen St to Waverley and then took the same pair back and it was an enjoyable run, the unit handles well and I noticed what I suspect was a modelled "overspeed trip" which kicked in at 93mph (fortunately unlike an IRL loco it doesn't just dump the brake). The guard doing the doors is a nice touch, it pulls away as it should and even just by sound the notches 3-5-7 are spot on for departure. Yeah the red-light bug was ever-present but it's easy enough to ignore. On the whole it was quite good, I hope to have more runs on EG with it and hopefully they can finally get the Fife timetable sorted as that is what we really need.
The 93mph thing is a speed limiter (from this thread https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/class-158-simulation-bits-bobs.69403/) Don’t know for sure, but I’d imagine it’s prototypical. It’s not like TPWS Overspeed etc.
Yeah it'll be like on diesel locos (at least the ones that I've been involved with), hit a certain speed and it dumps the brake to prevent damage to the equipment - eg the Class 14 does it when it hits 45 (I think, might be 46-48, it's been a long time since I was on one of them) to prevent damage to the rods and drive system. It's more for when it's being towed rather than being driven from, then again it's bad enough doing 25-30 in a 14 never mind taking one up past 40 Only loco where I've had to hold my brew or else it'll tip over, rancid things :/ Thanks for the link and info
In the route menu, the UI tile for the timetable services doesn't show the correct number of services (completed AND total available). Same problem as with WCML south. PS5.
As the wife got me some Steam Wallet credit for Christmas, got this along with Fife Circle (only because the latter is on sale!). Couple of questions though. Has this version of the 158 got the auto door closing similar to the 710 on Goblin? Arriving early at stations and waiting time, the door warble seems to be sounding then I get the message to open the doors again. Read this layers on to Edinburgh to Glasgow which I’m thinking of getting as TSC has been retired, temporarily at least, due to shortage of HD space. Does the 158 emulate the full days diesel timetable as it was between the two cities or is it just selected services?
I played it a few times now, and it seems the 158 just mixes in with the 385 and 380 services. The new timetable is great though, with playable and AI layers for the Azuma and the HST (though still GWE livery). Before I thought this route was a bit dead, with the new timetable it's actually worth it.
Couldn't tell you which livery reskin activates it, but I downloaded loads of the Scotrail HST liveries, and most of the HSTs are now in Scotrail livery. The only exceptions I have found so far is the HST when you are driving it and the single power cars at Haymarket depot.
No the doors don't auto-close, in fact they are operated by a "guard" - a local door opens then the rest are released, when you select "lock doors" the guard will close all bar the local door, then the local door and then buzz you, very good stuff It does indeed layer on to the E-G route and does a good job of it, there are plenty of diagrams on there on limited stop express services running from end to end. They slot in with the 385 and 380s and is an essential add-on if you want to bring E-G to life (as it was previously naff and empty), they've added 158/380/385s along with HSTs and Hitatchi things to bring it to a much busier line I got the 158 a few days ago and have been using it daily as it's quite enjoyable, if you have the Fife Circle route I recommend downloading the additional timetable as that has 158s (which can work in multi with 170s so that can make an interesting 5 car pairing). Irritatingly it doesn't have 158s to Leven (I'm assuming that they don't go there IRL) but does the other services and again brings more life into the route. Skyhook are tying to do their own 158 timetable on that route but are having difficulties with the way the diagrams are set up but they hope to have it soon. Also, saw the Leven 158 out in the wild yesterday, not managed to drive it myself yet though as it's random :/
