Semmeringbahn Discussion Thread

Is that true tho for the IC-trains? Weren't ICs basically InterRegio trains? And after DB killed the IR trains, the stock got the branding (and price policy) of IC trains?

 

In parts, yes, some IR got relegated to the new IRE class too (and after a short time of 612s in IC livery someone found it funny to repaint DoStos and sell them as premium product ) but the origins of the IC lie far further back in the past.
Long before the first ICE came into service they were a modern, comfortable and fast way of transport, originally even with 1st class only (I spot some irony regarding the Semmeringbahn here) serving major cities in Germany and it's neighbour countries. They were considered noble, classy and hauled with icons like the 103, 110 and later the 120 always a magnificent sight. Today they are merely a shadow of their former glory...

 

Not really. The InterRegio was only operated between 1988 and 2006. The InterCity existed since the early 70s. There were speical IR coaches which were later repainted and allocated for IC services. The services themselve were cancelled and not replaced by ICs. Often the local government would take over the services in their regional network. This can be seen in the state of Baden-Württemberg, where today the InterRegio Express exist, a local train which usally runs over long distance through the entire state. Later DB reintroduced IC2 (double decker) services to these old routes to boost tourist traffic.

 

To further derail the thread, original InterCity was introduced in 1971 and it was among the first trains that ran in regular intervals at the same time (usually every 2 hours). Only relatively small amount of lines existed, and they all met at the same time at specific knot stations where you could safely transfer from one line to another. With first class carriages only, they were aiming at diplomats and businessmen, and offered various fancy services on board, including a post office, telegraph office or even a typewriting service where you could dictate your letters or documents to a lady that would write them down on typewriter for you. Only some 6-7 years later DB started experimenting with second class carriages (usually separated by restaurant cars in the consist, so you don't bother the elites) and only since 1979 we have the IC for mortals like today.

Before that, distant traffic was mostly covered by D-trains, which were not running in regular intervals (not even slow trains used to until mid 80s!), so you were limited to ie. three pairs of train, one at 6:45, one at 12:01 and one at 16:20. If those times were not suiting your plans, too bad. Timetables dictated when you are going on a trip.

 

Actually, the IC were meant to replace the F-trains (Fernschnellzug), what obviously was a success, as these trains aren't running anymore and well, seems that it's already not known anymore, that this traintype once existed...

 

Yes. The IC launched in 1971 based on the success of DB's TEE services; the idea was to make a domestic luxury-express version of the international TEE, and at the same double-surcharge fares. Most of the surviving F-zug routes were changed over. The original ICs used the same special rolling stock as the TEEs (103s/110.3s and Avümh etc coaches) and the same distinctive red-and-beige livery, and like the TEE were 1st class only. In 1979 they had second class added (which made for longer, heavier trains, hastening the demise of the overworked 103s); these coaches along with additional new 1st class were of the Eurofima type we have in the game.

Starting in 1987 the ICs were - gradually - repainted according to the Produktfarben system, pale gray (effectively white) with Orientrot window bands, but many beige-and-crimson coaches and locos survived well into the Verkehrsrot era before repainting.

The Interregios really had nothing to do with the Intercity. But as the IRs were phased out, their coaches were deemed suitable after a makeover for IC service, so many were crossed over. The IRs gave way to the IREs (which, organizationally, were a different operation, and which used ordinary rolling stock), and since 2014 many or most of the IREs were replaced by IC2s- which are almost a negation of the original luxury-express concept, being ordinary 146s and Dostos in white paint)

 

In Baden-Württemberg, where most IREs run, they were not replaced but augmented by the IC2. The IC2 has usually fewer stops and has a higher path class (higher priority). But as most IREs end in BaWü or just over the border in a neighbouring state, the IC services usually continue onwards. Example: IRE1 runs from Karlsruhe to Aalen, whilst the parallel running IC61 runs further to Nürnberg with 4tpd extended to Leipzig.

 

And second class passengers on the D Trains were usually dumped in a BM232 compartment coach with hard plastic seats that didn't even extend all the way up your back to the rock hard headrest. Not ideal for nearly 10 hours from Hook Of Holland to Copenhagen, or Stockholm to Hamburg!

 

Exactly. The IRs were run by DB Fernverkehr, but they rather cynically decided to shut them down and hopefully sell more IC/ICE tickets. The public and the Länder hated that, though, and so the various Land governments made a joint-funding arrangement with DB Regio to replace the lost services: the Interregio-Express. DB-FV then brought in the IC2 and, most Länder were happy to drop funding for the IREs; but Ba-Wü has held out and continues to subsidize them within its borders.

 

The 232s (C4ümg-54) were built as 3rd class coaches; when DB abolished 3rd class they were simply redesignated 2nd. A pretty nasty ride.

 

ISTR the 235's were slightly better in that the seats were upholstered with cloth, but still pretty nasty not extending all the way up to the headrest.

 

It has just been anounced that it's comming out on 18th April.
And yes it's gonna have freight services.

 

This route has me hyped. It looks really good. Glad I saved my money on that Rivet mess.

 

I haven't bought many of the recent German/Austrian routes and I'm not very knowledgeable about the locos ( frankly they all look like the same red box to me), but the route looks very interesting terrain wise.

So it may be a purchase, but I'm trying to figure out which additional routes and locos I need for layers and subs. The DTG article isn't very clear.

 

I bought Semmering a while back in TSC. TBH I wasn't overly impressed, very much uphill one direction, downhill coming back. And I don't think the supplied trains were that great either. I much preferred the Villingen - Hausach etc. route, very scenic and I think TSG was also involved. So while I'll be watching this one with interest, more likely to be a sale purchase.

 

Are you referring to the Black Forest route Villingen Hausach in TSC? If yes then Semmeringbahn ÖBB Baureihe 1116 can layer there as IC87 Stuttgart Hbf Singen Schaffhausen Zürich Hauptbahnhof

 

My other question, not knowing the area well, is whether the route as modeled has logical start and end points.

 

It will be interesting to see how it compares. I have no doubt and confident that DTG will blow Rivets route out of the water.

 

but will it reach the Berninabahn??

 

Same here. I’m trying to expand into other countries in TSW since US content is in a pretty bad state. I have my eye on this route but I’m also holding out for the April Roadmap to see if the LIRR gets announced

 

All in all, I would say yes, it covers the whole part that's called Semmeringbahn (Gloggnitz-Mürzzuschlag (about 40km), and adds somewhat around 25 km to the north to the next bigger city (Wiener Neustadt.).

 

It won’t take that much. Some of the Berninalinie is ok, a lot not. I am feeling good and much more confident about Semmeringbahn

 

I like the look of this one, and will probably pre-order next week (using the money refunded from the Fife Circle pre-order that I canceled)

 

I wonder, though: will Wiener Neustadt have anything close to the real-life 700 trains per day that pass through there?

 

The route itself looks nice but no new trains and that price tag...

 

Not without the Railjet (I still want it...)

 

I have also that feeling after Suffragette line and Salzburg-Rosenheim. DTG seems to have improved in route building

 

I don't think you can compare these two.. one is a very short slow (still 1h30) alpine route, while the other is quite a faster main line with a mountain pass.
I do wonder what you think is so wrong with bernina, except for the length?
for me it is one of the better dlc's, with the right athmosphere and a stunning view, the only things that really annoy me are the safety systems and crossroads
( i might be slightly nostalgia biased)

 

Well, most of the major terminal stations in TSW are post-apocalyptic, so my guess is that it will be similar.
However, the route as a whole looks promising

 

Trackside scenery. Some is excellent the rest is poor. Never a happy medium with Rivet although Berninalinie is better than most. Drive the route on your computer and compare it to the real cab view.
If a route’s worth doing it’s worth doing well. Just Trains philosophy.

 

yes, the real life view is always better, but the question is what can we expect from a sim with the current tech?

on a side note: rivet should fix their current dlc's first before developping new ones! (and that is my greatest annoyance)

 

Well, Dresden isn't. And Hamburg isn't bad.

 

Ruhr Sieg Nord, Dresden Chemnitz und Linke Rheinstrecke are nice too.

 

Coming Soon Article on DTG Live: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/articles/article/semmeringbahn-coming-soon
A bit curious about the first sentence: "Explore the World’s first true mountain railway in Train Sim World 4!" What was Berninabahn then, if Semmering is the first true mountain railway?

 

I'll have to take another look at my German routes. Haven't done that in a while. I was thinking of the UK stations ( Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Birmingham ).

 

False mountain railway

It should probably be "Explore DTG's World’s first true mountain railway in Train Sim World 4!"

 

Semmering was considered the world's first true mountain railway IRL, they don't mean it's the first mountain railway in the game.

 

I think they mean in real life. the track was built in 1848 or so. berninaline being built 50 years later for example.

 

This is like a reading comprehension test.

 

Sad news on the real Semmeringbahn (in German):
https://www.oebb.at/de/fahrplan/baustelleninformation/semmering-neunkirchen-muerzzuschlag
Its going to be totally closed when it releases for TSW4

 

I saw this yesterday. Looks like the empty flat cars "string lined" on a curve.

 

Thursday probably did not help the already planned works




(fb/Europe Trains Railways ECC)

 

Wow... Is the driver ok ?

 

Ouch!

 

From photos front of the train was not affected and remained on track, so probably no injuries. The site of the accident should be just next to one of the 180° turns, so the train was not probably running very fast either.

 

With the Fréjus railway (France-Italy) closed by a landslide until this summer, and the Gotthard Base Tunnel (Germany-Italy, via Switzerland) partly closed by a derailment until September, we can almost declare southern Europe officially cut off from the north by rail.

 

Good, smaller tourist crowds for the rest of us

 

Thankfully enough not through the Brennerpass! Was just yesterday at the launching event of the new RJs in Italy in Verona =p

 

You need the one that's capable of going down to Italy and Berlin via the former KkStb Bahnstrecke Wien Hbf Brünn Prag Bodenbach Nidergrund Pirna Dresden 1216.

 

You have a point there speaking of the Gotthard Base tunnel route that can actually be extended to meet LZN at Luzern. Although you need someone better than rivet games to make it