Train Sim World 3 Services & Scenarios In Which Gold Cannot Be Achieved

Had a couple more runs on SEHS tonight in which gold was not achievable. I think the majority of the freight services in the class 66 and most of the 5xxx headcode ECS workings don't have enough points for gold. Maybe the devs need to have a look and overhaul the scoring for these runs.

DTG Alex - are there any updates on how these fixes are progressing? Seems to me to be a fairly straightforward issue to solve and would please those who are looking for all gold medals.

 

Route: Bakerloo Line
Timetable: Bakerloo Line (2021)
Service: 226D-1 Queen's Park South Shed - Queen's Park North Shed
Starting at: 06:24
Bronze: 500
Silver: 850
Gold: 950
Maximum achievable points in a regular run: 530 (Bronze)

 

Service: 5B04 Birmingham New Street to Blake Street - Bronze 750, Silver 2300, Gold 2600
Loco: Class 323 WMR
Maximum achievable points: about 2,289 = Bronze

 

Route: Bakerloo Line
Timetable: Bakerloo Line (2021)
Service: 206D-1 Stonebridge Park - Kilburn High Road
Starting at: 06:22
Bronze: 500
Silver: 1200
Gold: 1350
Maximum achievable points in a regular run: 950 (Bronze)
Special note: Service is unplayable from the timetable menu. Spawn on foot at 06:20 in Stonebridge Park depot and find the train used for this service.

 

I have a problem, my list has reached the maximum of 25000 characters. Do you have the possibility to move one of my posts under the list so that it becomes post #2 and I can split the list? Extending the 25000 characters limit would also help.
DTG Alex or DTG JD

 

Route: Bakerloo Line
Timetable: Bakerloo Line (2021)
Service: 227-1 Queen's Park South Shed - Queen's Park North Shed
Starting at: 06:40
Bronze: 500
Silver: 850
Gold: 950
Maximum achievable points in a regular run: 530 (Bronze)

Route: Bakerloo Line
Timetable: Bakerloo Line (2021)
Service: 206D-2 Kilburn High Road - Stonebridge Park
Starting at: 06:47
Bronze: 500
Silver: 1200
Gold: 1350
Maximum achievable points in a regular run: 950 (Bronze)

 

SEHS TSW3

Service: 2K16 London Victoria to Gillingham - Bronze 1250, Silver 2400, Gold 2600
Timetable mode - Loco: Class 375/9 SEB
Maximum achievable points: 2520 = Silver

Yes a 2K16 for you sequencer !! A service where you get held up outside Gillingham for about 6 minutes.

 

Alright, I just played the SD40-2 Training Module, and it should been fixed, right ? I played it after the fix, haven't touched it before today. It says 1870 right before I finish the job, but when I go back to the training center, it says 1620, silver.

I am really starting to get into the game and the new routes, but if the first thing I touch doesn't work, after collecting all the route tasks for 3 hours (!) straight, I am slightly pissed.

EDIT: Same with the ES44C4 tutorial.

EDIT²: This thread is going to be extremely useful for avoiding future frustration, and I am very thankful to the community that threads like this exist. I will help where I can if I come across one that hasn't been recorded yet!

 

I have not touched CJP until today. 12 Days of Christmas Mastery required me to complete a scenario on any US Route, so I did the ES44C4 Training mission. Unfortunately, I got 1370 and the Silver medal, so the fix is either not working or I simply don't have it. I play TSW3 on PC (MS Store/Gamepass), and the game is fully up-to-date. Last update was Dec 13th.
I won't try the SD40-2 Training mission, I already collected the reward for Day 9.​

 

Hello everyone

Contacting technical support will not give a lot of results, I have already repeatedly written to them about this while playing TSW 2. We still haven't solved the problem with the medals on the Bakerloo line, when I spent a lot of time going through all the scenarios. Then one day all my labors disappeared. I even created a branch here for this :

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/my-gold-medals-turned-into-bronze-and-silver.51904/

The problem was never solved, so I decided to fix the situation myself by changing the points for the scripts manually. This is much faster than going through the scripts again.
I wrote the instructions using my own example. I hope I have shown everything in enough detail so that you can figure it out. You can download the instructions from the link :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h4z_xA1xG70WMuSCf5LqWT9vwqaJnkSJ/view?usp=share_link

This information is provided for informational purposes only. You make changes to your profile file at your own risk. In order not to spoil your work, make a backup of your profile file. If this information is forbidden, then I ask the moderators to delete this post.

 

This is not the purpose of this thread, I think the people here are more interested in the problem finally being fixed. Messing with the files doesn't solve the problem, you're kind of screwing yourself because the problem is only covered up. The medals should be earned regularly and not be cheated just to see gold where there is actually no gold.

But everyone has to decide for themselves.

 

Exactly, and it's no help to those who play on console as you can't delve around in the game files.

 

And isn't it possible to transfer your saves to a USB flash drive in consoles, for example, change them and then return them back?

 

Yeah it's possible to back up your game save. What I'm talking about is the core code that DTG have written for the scoring. Those on console will have to wait for Dovetail to patch the services where gold is not possible. What I'd like to to know from DTG Matt or DTG JD is how are the scores calculated? Is it a case of a guessing what the best score is or is it a case of a dev inputting the scores into the game's code incorrectly for example a gold score that should be say 10,250 is actually put into the game as 10,750 when the maximum possible score is 10,500 in which you case you would be 250AP short even with perfect driving.

 

DLC Isle of Wight
Train Class 483
Scenarios Smallbrook Shuttle
Medals bronze=1500 , silver=3500, gold=3900
the maximum number of points achieved 3620=silver

 

re: OSD

Scenario: Break It Down - Bronze 5000, Silver 7300, Gold 7800
Journey chapter: GP9RM Engineer - Loco: GP9RM CN
Maximum achievable points: 7670 = Silver *I got 7700

Also...
Scenario: Equipment Move - Bronze 4250, Silver 7750, Gold 8450
GP38-2 Engineer - Locomotive GP38-2 CN
Maximum achievable points: 0 = Unachievable!
Switch locked at Red Signal near end of scenario preventing completion.
Long known bug. Still not fixed.

 

This varies from player to player, it depends on how exactly you stop when shunting. You seem to have used at least 1312ft more than me, hence the extra 30 points.

I can not understand that some players have problems with it, never had any problems with "Equipment Move". It is often reported, so I have run this scenario many times, always successfully. It's been a few weeks though, but I can drive it again with confidence and post the result again.

 

Route: Kassel wurtzburg
Service: 69691 00:01 departure
Bronze 500 silver 4800 gold 5650

I scored 5420 ap had 30 points of speed deductions. No way to get gold

 

So far all class 66 services on sehs are impossible gold

8x02 at 00:06 4119 gold is 4400 no speed deductions

6e92 at 00:11 1929 silver is 2000 no speed deductions

6004 at 00:20?I scored 2010 gold is 2300 no speed deductions

8x02 at 00:48 I scored 6524 gold is 6650 I think I had 15 points of speed deductions

 

Not sure if this one was in but have read through the thread and didn't see it. If its on just ignore it

Tees valley Xbox series S
BR 101 Journey
5D50 Thornaby depot - Darlington
Gold: 2,250
Me: 2,188 (Silver)

Did the service twice, didn't speed at all (there are no timed objectives on this service) only lost 5-10 points from stopping marker.

 

I can't find 69691, but from the other data I assume you mean 69161 (Part 1), both parts are already in the list.

 

I probably fat fingered it.

 

Service 50245 on Kassel wurtzburg departing at 00:28 I got no speed deductions and silver medal with 7190 ap. Gold is impossible at 7250 ap

 

Here’s another one on Kassel wurtzburg

service 43165 departing 00:50 best possible score is 5690 gold metal is 5850

 

Thanks for reporting, I've added both services to the list.

 

Service 231-1 London Road - Lambeth Nord Shunt. Only available in the new Bakerloo Line timetable, with the silver livery Tube Stock. 1200 points for gold, but only 530 achiveable. You have only one +500, and only enough track for a single +30.

 

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1A27 London Paddington - Bronze 3250, Silver 7050, Gold 7800
Chapter: Spaghetti Western - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 5790 = Bronze

Basically identical to 1A49. Seems like every GWB Diesel Legends Class 52 scenario that requires you to drive it as an express from Reading to London Paddington (or the other way around) has this issue.

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1C31 Bristol Temple Meads - Bronze 3500, Silver 7300, Gold 8050
Chapter: Spaghetti Western - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 6540 = Bronze

Again, identical to 1C23. Bet 1A47, 1A59, 1C29, 1C33 are all Bronze-only as well. These are just from the Journey mode (you know, the "guided experience"). There must be literally hundreds of broken drives in Timetable mode.

 

With regard to 5U93 Ramsgate Depot to Slade Green Depot, the first scenario in your SEHS list. On my first drive I got 675 points for the first stop and 525 for the second, getting 5160 points total. Which is fewer than you list, despite me driving with no overspeeding or stopping inaccuracies. So I decided to test an idea, drove it again and here's what I found.

The game sometimes penalizes you for being early to checkpoints. On my first drive, I was a couple minutes early to the first one and about 5 minutes early to the second one. But if you arrive at the first of the two stops at around 22:18:30 and at the second one at around 22:58:00 (as I did on my second drive), the game awards you 750 points each. If you drive perfectly, that gets you 5460 points total, which is barely enough to get gold. The problem, aside from this being monumentally stupid in general, is that in this particular instance the game only tells you about the second timing AFTER you arrive there. While you drive from the first stop to the second, the time you should be aiming at just displays "–:–:–." After you've stopped, it changes to "22:58:00."

Proof of Gold:


TL;DR: It's technically possible to complete 5U93 to Gold, it's just broken in a more creative way.

Note: I remember the "penalized for being early" stupidity happening to me before, on some Kassel/Wurtzburg drive. I got something like 500+470 (positioning+timing) points from a stop, reloaded an earlier save, intentionally drove slower and got the full 500+500.

 

Add 5D64 (SEHS) Gravesend to Grove Park Sidings to the list.
Max score of 1300, requires 1900.

 

Six more from the Diesel Legends journey. I think this is it for the Class 52 ones.

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1A59 London Paddington - Bronze 3250, Silver 7050, Gold 7800
Chapter: Spaghetti Western - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 5760 = Bronze

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1B13 Swansea - Bronze 3500, Silver 7300, Gold 8050
Chapter: Spaghetti Western - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 6540 = Bronze

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1C29 Bristol Temple Meads - Bronze 3500, Silver 7300, Gold 8050
Chapter: Blue Skies - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 6540 = Bronze

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1A57 London Paddington - Bronze 3250, Silver 7050, Gold 7800
Chapter: Blue Skies - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 5760 = Bronze

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1C33 Bristol Temple Meads - Bronze 3500, Silver 7300, Gold 8050
Chapter: Blue Skies - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 6540 = Bronze

Journey: Diesel Legends of the Great Western
Service: 1B11 Swansea - Bronze 3500, Silver 7300, Gold 8050
Chapter: Blue Skies - Loco: Class 52 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 6540 = Bronze

 

Every Class 52 passenger service in the Diesel Legends timetable gives you a bronze medal.

 

I mean, I guessed that. Still had to drive them to confirm.

This should be removed. Just got 10371 points on this scenario with 39 points' worth of penalties (10410 total). So gold is definitely attainable, with a healthy margin.
By the way, wouldn't it be nice if the devs popped into the thread to notify players which scenarios have been fixed? I think it would be nice.

 

Really need to get an update on these on the next roadmap

 

Have you tried putting all of them into a Google document?

 

KWG - Schnellfahrstrecke Kassel - Würzburg

Journey mode (Think 182) ◄ Note the specific Journey.

Service: 69161 Hamburg Waltershof - Beimerstetten (Part 1) - Bronze 500, Silver 4800, Gold 5650
Chapter: Special Delivery - Loco: BR182 Dispolok
Maximum achievable points: 5450 = Silver

Service: 95084 Ludwigschafen - Lubeck Skandinavienkai - Bronze 500, Silver 6150, Gold 7300
Chapter: All the Haul Things - Loco: BR182 Dispolok
Maximum achievable points: 7280 = Silver

Service: 51196 Marchen - Nurnberg Rbf - Bronze 500, Silver 6200, Gold 7350
Chapter: All the Haul Things - Loco: BR182 Dispolok
Maximum achievable points: 7310 = Silver

...So that's 3 out of 7 non-custom-made scenarios broken in this particular Journey. One can only imagine how horrific the Timetable actually looks.

Edit: the following scenario is one of those where the game punishes you for being early to a checkpoint. However, even with perfect driving, the maximum possible score is 5280. Just short.
KWG - Schnellfahrstrecke Kassel - Würzburg
Service: 42864 Salzburg Liefering - Dradenau (Part 1) - Bronze 500, Silver 4500, Gold 5300
Chapter: Worth the Freight - Loco: BR 185.2 Railion
Maximum achievable points: about 5181 5280 = Silver

 

I've had a bit of a think regarding freight services on KWG.

Judging by the amount of freight services in which Gold isn't achievable on this route, there's probably something wrong with the formula DTG used to calculate medal scores. Basically every freight service from one station to the next one over (Wurtzburg-Fulda, Fulda-Kassel, or the reverse of those) ends up coming up 20, 40 points short of the goal. To me, that looked like a rounding error. So I decided to test the idea.

Let's take the "42864 Salzburg Liefering - Dradenau (Part 1)" scenario from the "King of the Kassel" Journey as an example. The drive takes 61.04 km. Divide that by 0.40234 (you get 30 points per 440 yards, or 402.34 meters), that's 151.7 "scoring blocks," rounded to 152. Multiply by 30 points per "scoring block," plus 750 max points for the final checkpoint (if you're not early to it, but that's a different rant), that's 5310. Round to the nearest 50, and there's your 5300 gold requirement. And guess what? The scenario requires exactly 5300 points to get gold. Which is just 20 more than you can get with perfect gameplay. Fits remarkably well, doesn't it? The problem, of course, is that if the rounding function happens to round up, you end up not having enough track to get the required points, and thus, have to do this infamous little back-and-forth to get that extra couple hundred meters of distance.

Hey, if any devs still care (3+ months since any of them said anything here): check the above and, if true, replace the round function with the floor function. And subtract a couple hundred points from the result just in case. Then make your medal requirements. I'm sure that'll eliminate like 95% of impossible scenario requirements. For example, if both of the italicized bits in the previous paragraph said "floor" instead of "round," the gold requirement would've been a very harsh, but possible 5250. Subtract another 200 from it, and you'd get a somewhat-harsh-but-fair 5050.

 

For Caltrain (on PS5) it's seemingly not possible to get any kind of medal on MP36PH-3C scenarios "MP36PH-3C Introduction", "Early Riser", "Bay Area Breakdown", or Bi-Level Scenarios "Bi-Level Cab Car Introduction", and "Cruising the Bay". If you can complete the scenario (which often involves workaround around other bugs), then no medal of any kind is awarded. If I look at the scenario on the menus then it's aware I've completed the scenario (green checkmark), but the recorded AP score is zero.

 

A new one to add to the list:

Boston - Providence
Scenario: "I just cleaned there" (Amtrak Acela)

10,000 pts needed for gold. I did an almost perfect run, didnt overspeed once and stopped almost on the exact stopping points. The max pts I could achieve was 9,688. Well short of the gold requirement

 

Just want to add my voice to this thread in the hope that this problem gets some attention, it affects so many routes to one degree or another.

Its most noticeable when you complete a service without speeding or anything and aren't anywhere near the gold score but on the other hand it sometimes hands out gold medals for poor performances as well. I know I am rubbish with steam trains, I have trouble getting to grips with the brakes. When I do passenger services with them by the end I am running 10 minutes late and have earned minimum points for the last several stops but still earn a gold medal.

DW

 

West Conrwall Local, class 150 tutorial, requires 600 points for gold, you can get 490

 

This, along with Y912 and the two scenarios already listed, makes an exhaustive list with regards to the OSD Journey (except for the Equipment Move scenario, which is broken completely).

OSD - Canadian National Oakville Subdivision: Hamilton - Oakville
Journey mode

Service: Y916 Industrial Zone Switching - Bronze 1250, Silver 2400, Gold 2600
Chapter: GP9RM Engineer and GP38-2 Engineer - Loco: GP9RM CN / GP38-2 CN
Maximum achievable points: 2450 = Silver

Service: Y919 Industrial Zone Switching - Bronze 2750, Silver 5100, Gold 5600
Chapter: GP9RM Engineer and GP38-2 Engineer - Loco: GP9RM CN / GP38-2 CN
Maximum achievable points: 5250 = Silver

Service: Y913 Industrial Zone Switching - Bronze 2750, Silver 5100, Gold 5600
Chapter: GP9RM Engineer - Loco: GP9RM CN
Maximum achievable points: 5250 = Silver

Service: Y917 Hobson Street Loading - Bronze 1500, Silver 2750, Gold 3000
Chapter: GP9RM Engineer and GP38-2 Engineer - Loco: GP9RM CN / GP38-2 CN
Maximum achievable points: 2860 = Silver

Service: Y910 Industrial Zone Switching - Bronze 1250, Silver 2400, Gold 2600
Chapter: GP9RM Engineer - Loco: GP9RM CN
Maximum achievable points: 2450 = Silver

Service: Y918 Flank Road Loading - Bronze 3000, Silver 5700, Gold 6200
Chapter: GP9RM Engineer and GP38-2 Engineer - Loco: GP9RM CN / GP38-2 CN
Maximum achievable points: 5840 = Silver


HAR - Harlem Line: Grand Central Terminal - North White Plains
Timetable mode

Service: GCT Yard Move (Part 2) - Bronze 250, Silver 500, Gold 550 ◄ scheduled for 12:37
Loco: M3A MTA
Maximum achievable points: 530 = Silver

I should point out that there are 5 different services named "GCT Yard Move (Part 2)" in the M3A MTA Timetable, but only the one scheduled for 12:37 is gold-uncompletable.

I should also point out that there are 5 different services named "GCT Yard Move (Part 1)" in the M3A MTA Timetable as well. The one listed in the OP is the first one, scheduled for 08:16. The other 4 are fine.

 

Journey mode, DGS 52674, BRO. Some 400p short of the 2850p for gold. I suspect you can put down every single freight service going Hude-Bremen or Bremen-Hude.

 

SEH service 5U93 Ramsgate Depot to Slade Green Depot, departure 22:13. You need 5450 points for gold. I drove almost perfect, only missed one speed limti, so lost 30 point and I go 5198 points in total. There is something weird. For the intermediate stop at Gillingham I got 722 points (arriving a few minutes early) and at Dartfort little over 500 points also arrived 3-4 minutes early. Is this meant to be some kind of race, getting more points for arriving far ahead of the schedule? This would be very bad practice.
For the time being, this blocks me from competing the journey for SEH with gold only.

EDIT:
With flawless driving, arriving within seconds deviation from the scheduled arrival time and stopping points, I managed to get 5457 points, which is just enough for gold. For each stop I got 749/748 points which seems very close to the max of 750? This is nowhere documented. It still sucks.

 

Pretty sure it’s the opposite. It doesn’t help it doesn’t display the time of arrival when driving there and when you arrive it says ‘Wait until X time’. It’s 30 seconds either side of that X time you need to arrive by for the full 750 points. And I think the game thinks you can get 1000 points for each of these hence why the gold isn’t reachable most of the time

 

So it is worse than I thought. It is not a stupid bug but poor gameplay design. With you tip I may get enough points though, so maybe I will try.

DTG Alex DTG JD feel ashamed of delivering this poor quality work. Please fix this asap. I love tSW but when I see this mess I hate it.

EDIT see also the update of my precious post in this thread.

 

HAR - Harlem Line: Grand Central Terminal - North White Plains
Timetable mode

Service: Train 2331 GCT to Crestwood - Bronze 750, Silver 2800, Gold 3250
Loco: M3A MTA
Maximum achievable points: 3230 = Silver

Service: Train 2519 GCT to North White Plains Yard - Bronze 250, Silver 2600, Gold 3050
Loco: M3A MTA
Maximum achievable points: 0 = No medal. Service cannot be finished, as an AI train gets stuck at a flashing green signal (CP116 1N) and causes a 5-train traffic jam (edit: see pic below). Stood there for 20 minutes, nothing happened. Except 2 more trains came up behind me.


2521 (M3A) seems similarly broken, but as soon as I saw the traffic piling up on the map, I rage quit. So I can't say for certain that it wouldn't have somehow resolved itself by the time I got to that signal. Bet the 2523 (M3A) is the same.
Interestingly, the M7A Timetable also has services identical to these, the 2525 and the 2529. I checked the 2525 and it went like this: the pile-up started to form, except this time at signalbox HAR16.2 (which is just southwest of signalbox CP116 LOC A), reached 3 trains long, then the first train just started to move. By the time I got there, everything was fine and the service proceeded as normal. Who knows, maybe the 2521 is fine as well. Very weird situation.


WSR - West Somerset Railway
Timetable mode

Service: [LE5]Locomotive Run Around at Bishops Lydeard - Bronze 1000, Silver 1650, Gold 1750
Loco: Class 33 GRN or Class 45/1 BLU or Class 47 GRN or Class 47/4 BLU or Class 52 MAR or Class 37/5 RSR
Maximum achievable points: 1560 = Bronze
Service: [LE8]Locomotive Run Around at Bishops Lydeard - Bronze 1000, Silver 1650, Gold 1750
Loco: Class 33 GRN or Class 09 GRN
Maximum achievable points: 1560 = Bronze

Service: [LE9]Locomotive Run Around at Bishops Lydeard - Bronze 1000, Silver 1650, Gold 1750
Loco: Class 33 GRN or Class 45/1 BLU or Class 47 GRN or Class 47/4 BLU or Class 52 MAR or Class 37/5 RSR
Maximum achievable points: 1560 = Bronze

 

Another one.

Route SEH, service 4Z61, driving a freight train from Ramsgate to Rochester. I got 2886 points, for gold you need 3100 points. There is one stop for which I received over 700 points, about 40 seconds late. I think I did never exceed speed limits.

It's journey mode so no gold for this journey chapter and no gold for the SEH journey possible. I reported before there is an alternative way to reward stops, but it is fully undocumented. DTG Alex or DTG JD please clarify the rules.

I also want to comment that in the summary screen you do not see the medal when you save the game and resume it later. This is not always a problem, but it makes things a bit unclear. I have no idea whether I got a medal or or not.

 

This one also is not good. SEH service 6Y08 driving a class 66. You need 3000 points for gold, I got little over 2400. I think I lost max 90 points due to speeding and at the stops in total 200 points, so silver may be possible but gold not. One of the issues is timing, you cannot arrive on time for the last stop and for the first stop I was 2 minutes late. You will not do much better, it is a heavy train 1700 tons and it takes a lot of time to reach track speed, unless you bluntly set the throttle to max, which is not very realistic.

For the second part of this service 1600 points are required for gold. Driving flawless, you can get 1150 points, which is good for bronze.