Train Sim World 3 Services & Scenarios In Which Gold Cannot Be Achieved

So, all but one or two freight services in the BRO journey mode belong on the list. I guess the whole freight timetable is riddled with 'em. It's so tiresome and sad that the ones chosen for journey mode aren't properly checked.

 

SEH service 5J84 A highspeed direct run without passengers from Ashford to St Pancras. One stop.
I got 7118 points, for gold you need 7200. By not speeding at all I think I can get gold, but The final destination is not timetabled, but when you arrive you get a wait instruction to wait till the scheduled arrival time.

This is very confusing. I like to get complete instructions.

 

RE Bremen Hbf - Bremen Sidings
Points given for perfect run: 530
Points required for gold: 1000
Journey mode

 

For the BR628 introduction (Niddertal Bahn) you cannot get a gold medal. You need 2000 points. I got 1956 points, loosing max 10 point for not hitting the stopping point exactly.

 

Someone never learns from the medal mistake

 

I believe the values are wrong for the Twilight Train scenario that came with the BNSF SD70Ace. They are :

Bronze - 2250 Silver - 15,300 Gold - 17,900

I completed this scenario (I think I had one single speeding penatly as I arrived at the yard) and only managed around 9000-something points. A pretty huge discrepancy.

DW

 

Same as other player, see screenshot of the points and the results screen. I think these values is wrong with +1 on them so would be 5300 and 7900, please fix it. I did 2 over speed and one emergency brake but wasn't - points only 15 add instead of 30. The other scenario, i used emergency brake lot of times and was still able to get gold.

 

I just complete the Sherman Hill 'Dust or bust' scenario and never put a foot wrong. I literally crept the last mile and a half to the finish at like 3MPH. I also never went over the speed limit and still only got Bronze. I've done several scenarios multiple times and it looks like my quest to complete all scenarios to Gold, is slipping further and further away. Hell, even the introduction to some of the scenarios (showing you how to operate the loco) only pays out in silver, when it's been done without fault. I even climbed off the loco (instead of using 9 for map view) to change the switching points. Still no good. This is super annoying, and as I have a fair few of the DLC, it's looking like some of them really aren't possible to get gold in. I wish DTG would take a look at this, because for some of us, the quest for gold is a large part of the TSW3 experience.

 

You can complete the introduction scenarios with gold by going around the loop before stopping like you are told. I completed all the training center introductions with gold

 

I am aware this is a workaround. It is not conform the instructions to pass your destination, pass the other station again and then stop. If this was intentional, there should be a go via instruction to make the intention clear.

 

Instead of addressing the real problem, additional obstacles are put in your way, now also here in the forum. Someone found it quite funny to fiddle with the forum settings and give editing posts a timer of several hours. I can't work like this and will hereby stop supporting the list, nothing happens anyway.

 

Understandable. It feels hopeless. Thank you for your work.

 

Yeah, I've ran into this as well while editing my posts. I would agree with the guy who suggested putting the info into a Google spreadsheet. Just stick the link to it at the top of the OP, along with the notice that the OP itself is no longer being necessarily kept up-to-date.
I think it would be a shame if this thread would no longer be updated at all. Even if the devs' promises about watching this thread and pushing to fix the scenarios "much quicker" specifically based on the info here turned out to be so much noise in the wind, I believe it still provides players with valuable guidance.

To other contributors: please look through the OP before submitting your scenarios and don't post ones that are already in there. Much of what's been posted recently isn't new information and only serves to clutter up the thread. Also, do try to follow the formatting.

And finally, so as not to be empty-handed:

HSC - Horseshoe Curve

Training Modules
Scenario: Long Trains Introduction - Bronze 250, Silver 600, Gold 700
Loco: ES44AC NS/GP38-2 NS
Maximum achievable points: 620 = Silver

 

I think for most freight services in TSW3 (not for the older DLC) you cannot get gold. DTG changed to scoring system for freight and did not properly test it.

This holds for SEHS but also for Niddertalbahn.I am not sure about Cajon, maybe there most services are still working in the old way.
For SEHS I completed all passenger journey chapters with gold, but for the freight it simply does not work.

DTG: I never asked for this medal stuff, but if you want this, you should make sure it is working properly, so fix this. I am really getting annoyed by the sheer amount of bugs in this game. You really are doing something fundamentally wrong in the development process.
DTG Matt can you explain how this change in freight services was tested? If it was tested at all? How could you miss an issue like this?

 

Niddertalbahn: Along with the 628 introduction that was already mentioned, there are a few scenarios where gold is not achievable as well. In addition, all the service preparation and stabling services I’ve tried so far only gave me bronze, presumably because the automated system they’re using for calculating the score thresholds incorrectly assumes you’ll get AP for stopping and changing direction at certain points.

 

Route: Bakerloo Line
Timetable: Bakerloo Line (2021)
Service: 745-1 Stonebridge Park Depot - London Road Depot
Starting at: 11:00
Bronze: 500
Silver: 2000
Gold: 2300
Maximum achievable points in a regular run: 1961 (Bronze)

 

Wanted to check if freight services are as borked in Niddertalbahn as they are in many other routes. Drove three of the eight available. The results are disappointing, but not surprising.

NID - Niddertalbahn: Bad Vilbel - Stockheim

Timetable mode

Service: 77001 Stockheim (Oberhess) - Altenstadt (Hessen) (Part 1) — Bronze 1000, Silver 2250, Gold 2500
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 2130 = Bronze

Service: 77001 Altenstadt (Hessen) - Budesheim (Part 2) — Bronze 1000, Silver 2500, Gold 2800
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 2490 = Bronze

Service: 77001 Budesheim - Bad Vilbel (Part 3) — Bronze 1250, Silver 2800, Gold 3100
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 2810 = Silver

Each of the above scenarios punishes you for being EARLY to the timed checkpoints.

 

As expected, the rest of the freight servies are bugged as well. All but the last 2 also have checkpoints that punish the player for being early to them. That's funny, because those checkpoints then make you wait at a stop signal for up to 9 minutes, so it's not like the timetable was going to be disrupted by being early.

NID - Niddertalbahn: Bad Vilbel - Stockheim

Timetable mode

Service: 77002 Bad Vilbel - Stockheim (Oberhess) (Part 1) — Bronze 1000, Silver 3450, Gold 3900
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 3740 = Silver

Service: 77002 Bad Vilbel - Stockheim (Oberhess) (Part 2) — Bronze 750, Silver 1750, Gold 1950
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 1600 = Bronze

Service: 77003 Nidda - Groß Gerau — Bronze 1750, Silver 4850, Gold 5500
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 5400 = Silver

Service: 77004 Bad Vilbel - Stockheim (Oberhess) (Part 1) — Bronze 750, Silver 2200, Gold 2500
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 2440 = Silver

Service: 77004 Bad Vilbel - Stockheim (Oberhess) (Part 2) — Bronze 500, Silver 1550, Gold 1750
Loco: DB BR 365
Maximum achievable points: 1370 = Bronze

 

London Commuter:
Service 1M15 departure 06:42 Brighton-London Victoria (Gatwick Express)
For gold you need 13750 points
I got 11154, which was not really bad. I missed maybe 180 points due to speeding, but my stops were good.

For this one I got bronze in the journey, and it keeps me from completing the whole journey to gold.

 

Yeah, that particular service's rough. You have to back-and-forth for literally over an hour before the final stop to get gold, as signals are relatively close together and the service is timed, meaning you have to compensate for loss of points because of being late as well.

It's also already documented in the OP. Please read it before you post. It's even alphabetically organized and everything.

 

For this one, I am not 100% sure:

Spirit of Steam, Brake Van Tour, departure 10:00

First thing is, that if you keep the speed limits and drive at a speed that makes sense for freight trains (max round 40Mph) you will be very much behind schedule for this service, which is timetabled.
For each stop I got 500 AP, but it may be the max is 750 if you meet the schedule, if the points work according to the newer awards for freight runs.

I was overspeeding a bit and missed one speed limit completely due to the extremely pour braking. It seems the brake vans are unfitted (is that correct?)

My best result (3 attempts) was 5080 points, you need 5450 for gold. Did anybody get gold for this one? I would like to now but for now I want to add it to the list.

 

CJP - Cajon Pass: Barstow - San Bernardino

Journey mode

SD40-2 Training Module - Bronze 1200, Silver 1500, Gold 1700
Chapter: The Switcher - Loco: BNSF SD40-2
Maximum achievable points: Stuck at 1620 = Silver ◄ This...
Has been fixed and you can earn enough points for gold,
but the score does not update for players who completed the training before the fix.◄ ...and this isn't really correct. If you complete the training after the fix, the score doesn't "not update." Yes, the game does show 1870 in the end screen, but 1620 if you look at the scenario later. However, it doesn't mean that the score is now "stuck at 1620." The game just doesn't register the final extra 250 points, which the training now gives at the end, presumably, as a band-aid "fix" to get the player to 1700. So you can still do a lap of the small loop in the Training Center or something and get to Gold that way.

As for the Brake Van Tour.

This is the first time I've seen a service which has timings, but doesn't punish the player for ignoring them. Yes, the checkpoints aren't actually time-sensitive. You can arrive literally on the second or half an hour late (I've tested both), and they still give you 500 points.
Maximum achievable score the intended way seems to be 5140. 5170, if you overshoot the final stop by a few yards. Personally, I think the problem (one of them, at least) is with the "✪ WAIT" tasks. I suspect the testing bots expect them to give points; they don't; and as a result we have unrealistic medal requirements.

So the information, when formatted according to the OP, would look like this:

LPC: Spirit of Steam: Liverpool Lime Street - Crewe

Journey mode

Service: Brake Van Tour - Bronze 1250, Silver 4750, Gold 5450
Chapter: Surprise Surprise - Loco: LMS Stanier 8F
Maximum achievable points: 5140 = Silver

The "750-point checkpoints that punish you for being early" isn't a freight thing, it's just a recent thing. Happens on passenger services as well, such as on some KWG or SEHS ones. Not on this service though.

 

Peak Forest: Ambergate - Chinley & Buxton

Scenario: Peak Shunting
Gold Req: 7100 pts

My best result on this one was 6894pts without breaking any speed limits and all wagons loaded to 100%
Very close to gold (~200pts) on this one....the threshold needs to be lowered slightly to make it more achievable

 

ROG 37
Journey chapter: School of ROG and ROG the refurber.
Service: 5Q57 Ramsgate depot to Litchurch
My score: 2940
Gold: 3150
Didn't speed at all over the run and arrived 10 seconds after the arrival time slot (750 action points awarded for end).

 

so glad you mentioned the diesel legends class 52 services, been bugging me (pardon the pun) since it was first released!

 

And if you are tired of waiting for scenario fixes we know won't come, I have a guide on Steam on how to ... uh .... "fix" that.
Some of the.... no... all of these bugs have been present since the release of each DLC and the addition of Gold. If DTG refuses to fix them..... I take other steps.
I reported a whole bunch, I get a standard reply thanking me for the submission and basically a "low priority, probably won't be adressed"
So I feel no issue in using an alternative way for these scenarios. You don't need to use it but for those that want, it is available.
Steam name: Mavadelo. In guides filter by "modding or configurations"

 

I'm not sure whether they would count in here But the Training Centre and Holiday express don't count as finished to gold despite all requirements, 4 fundamentals in Training Centre and 7 scenarios on Holiday express being completed to gold. I haven't completed them to gold in Journey mode because I honestly don't see the point of driving the same things over again when I can't improve the medal obtained on the original run. To be brutally honest I'm struggling to understand the point of having a journey mode if everything can be driven in scenarios or timetable. They should either get rid of timetable mode or journey mode IMO

 

It would be great if we could have an option to hide "medals" altogether. To do a perfect run only for a machine to decide your performance was substandard is annoying. I'd rather not know what it thinks.

 

It is especially annoying when you are driving true to life as you then get marked down for being late

 

Route: Bakerloo Line
Timetable: Bakerloo Line (2021)
Service: 745-2 London Road Depot - Stonebridge Park Depot
Starting at: 12:42
Bronze: 750
Silver: 2050
Gold: 2300
Maximum achievable points in a regular run: 2260 (Silver)

 

Route:SEH
Timetable: Kentish Crompton, part 1
Starting at: 06:59
Got 3825 points, with almost perfect driving (lost 15 points due to speeding)
For Gold you need 4750 points.

This is so wrong. It is a brand new service and even this is not working at all.

 

This is getting ridiculous instead of fixing the current list they're just releasing new content thats worse for this issue and the list is actually getting longer.

ROG 37, PFR, Glossop, new railtours on sehs. Someone should surely be catching these? If the system doesn't work to assign the right medals surely they can fix the system? Or do a few runs to set a achievable default for certain runs at least? Its such a kick in the teeth to have "Completed to gold" in the journey chapters when you can't complete half the services to gold anyway. Maybe completed to gold should be removed for now?

 

Don't know if this one is listed but Charity Javelin (part 1) is another joke run that even silver is unobtainable on! You drive the 395 for a little over 800 yards from the shed at Ashford and a perfect run will net you 560 points. The program that decides the requirements has started with Bronze at 500, Silver at 900 and Gold at 1000 points. Dtg need to fix this program because some of the requirements that are set aren't just unobtainable, they're downright stupid! You drive a train for a total of 5 mins for less than half a mile and their AI program is expecting you to earn thousands of points

 

Freight, railtours, and anything else they’ve released for tsw 3

 

It's clear that basically the entire last 3 chapters of the SEHS journey are bugged, as well as the final chapter of the route's RHTT journey, and that's well-represented in the OP already (funny how the bugged services end up tucked away towards the journeys' end, isn't it?). However, this one service hasn't been documented for some reason, so here it is for the sake of completeness.

SEHS - Southeastern Highspeed: London St Pancras – Ashford Intl & Faversham

Journey mode

Service: 6Y78 Angerstein Wharf to Tonbridge West Yard - Bronze 500, Silver 2300, Gold 2650
Chapter: It Is Now! - Loco: Class 66 EWS
Maximum achievable points: 2400 = Silver

 

Anoter bugged SEHS railtour... did no one even check before approving that update for release? Of course no one did, humans don't actually test services at DTG. Also, the new services are full of these 750-point checkpoints that punish the player for being early. And of these "WAIT" checkpoints which award no points, but I strongly suspect that the bots think they do, causing unachievable medal requirements everywhere.

SEHS - Southeastern Highspeed: London St Pancras – Ashford Intl & Faversham

Timetable mode

Service: 1O99 Birmingham New St to Ramsgate - Bronze 1500, Silver 4500, Gold 5150
Loco: Class 47/4 BLU
Maximum achievable points: 5030 = Silver

 

Can confirm, 3840 points with perfect driving. This is the second-biggest gap between "perfect driving" and "Gold" I've seen so far.
Note the 4 "WAIT" checkpoints in this service. This only supports my theory that the bots DTG uses to test services think such checkpoints give out points, despite it not being the case.

Edit:
In addition to the already reported Part 1 of "The Kentish Crompton."

SEHS - Southeastern Highspeed: London St Pancras – Ashford Intl & Faversham

Timetable mode

Service: 5Z33: The Kentish Crompton (Part 2) - Bronze 750, Silver 1600, Gold 1800
Loco: Class 33 GRN
Maximum achievable points: 1390 = Bronze

Service: 5Z34: The Kentish Crompton (Part 5) - Bronze 1500, Silver 3450, Gold 3850
Loco: Class 33 GRN
Maximum achievable points: 2790 = Bronze

Service: 5Z34: The Kentish Crompton (Part 6) - Bronze 500, Silver 2050, Gold 2400
Loco: Class 33 GRN
Maximum achievable points: 2100 = Silver

Why yes, four of the six parts this service has been split into, each necessitate about half an hour of doing the ol' TSW back-and-forth before Gold can be attained. Amazing QA right there.

 

Another issue with this is inconsistent scoring for the same run. In the timetable for the 700 5P95 requires 750 for Bronze, 1,550 for silver and 1,750 for gold for a 5 minute run from Gillingham station into Gillingham depot at 01.11. At 02.06, just shy of an hour later you have the same 5 min run as 5P97 that requires 750 for Bronze, 1,550 for silver and 1,700 for gold. Two runs of the same duration and distance with exactly the same stop targets so why are the gold requirements 50 points different?
Have run both and my best was 1250 so I don't think gold is possible on these two runs either!

 

Most freight services on sehs…. Still

 

Dear DTG when are you gonna Fix these issues I like my Progress nice and Tidy with all Gold and Platinum Medals but 5D50 on tees valley line is seriously stressing me out as It is impossible to achieve Gold also can anyone explain why my progress says 2 silver medals? but on going through all the Timetables, Scenarios and Training Modules 5D50 is the only one with silver

 

In the meantime while waiting for a fix, I point to and quote part of https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...e-5t04-part-2-impossible-trophy-points.78674/

 

Honestly, I just whip out Cheat Engine these days when this happens. It is faster than the forward and backward trick, and doesn't detract from my otherwise good performance on the track so it doesn't count to me as cheating any more than this trick.

Of course, only at a reload a couple kms from mission end if the first run was an undeserved nongold. Wouldn't feel right otherwise.

 

Still an issue with TSW4 on PS5 (despite being pointed out early on in this thread years ago):

MSB - Main-Spessart Bahn: Aschaffenburg - Gemünden

Journey mode

Service: DB 83126 Laufach -Heigenbrücken - Bronze 500, Silver1050, Gold 1200
Chapter: Banker - Loco: BR 185.2 Railion
Maximum achievable points: 1010 =Bronze

Service: DB 83158 Laufach -Heigenbrücken - Bronze 500, Silver1100, Gold 1200
Chapter: Banker - Loco: BR 185.2 Railion
Maximum achievable points: 1010 =Bronze

 

hi... yes still unauthorized... I hope DTG will finally fix it. we have been waiting for a fix for a long time. I would also like gold medals... it spoils the impression of a good game ..

 

All the beninalines ones via journey mode as you can’t actually progress any

 

Im struggling with these two services too.. tried more times but can’t get more than a bronze medal. PS5 TSW4

 

I submitted a ticket for the Twilight Train - Cajon Pass. Fingers crossed.

 

The very first two training scenarios in the training center in TSW5 on PS5 can't achieve gold w/o special effort. The first is to teach you how to look around, walk, and sit--that awards 250 AP but 300 are needed. A workaround is to hop on a train and take it for a joy ride before walking to the last endpoint. Similar for the 2nd scenario that teaches how to use the HUD, which awards 0 AP. The workaround is to board the train from the wrong side and take it for a joy ride (there's no other train available) before returning it to board on the intended side to learn about the HUD.