Speculation: Announcements In Festival Of Rail?

It has been retextured and reworked. One of the reasons why it couldn't port over is cuz it would required too much work. Now, since it is coming for nyp to trenton, it gives dtg a reason to remake it from scratch

 

I'd kind of lost interest in the German routes, stopped acquiring them because they were much of a muchness.

But the 103 is different and I might just pop for it, though I'm amused by people describing something from the late '90's as " old ". Not by my timeline, it isn't.

 

Yes I know and this was the reason why we haven’t been able to “import” NEC route onto TSW2 and 3 but what I said by this is there’s gonna be more functionality and hopefully security systems are patched like they promised

 

The safety systems would have to be upgraded anyway to be able to run on the route and not cause problems, so the answer would be yes. It's one of the necessary features to enjoy the route. Anyways, it was only a preview, so the exact details are unknown but they would have had to rebuild the whole simugraph and simulation aspect of the cab car to bring it up to tsw3 standards

 

Would the 4F be able to layer onto Liverpool-Crewe, I don't know alot about british steam locos.

 

JH Just Trains are working on the Peak Forest for TSC at the moment.
https://www.justtrains.net/in-development/midland-main-line-buxton-and-peak-forest-extension

It is strange Just Trains doing it for future release in TSC and weird that DTG is doing it for TSW3. Not very enterprising to release the same for both. It would have been nice to have seen something different.

 

It would be accurate for it to. Whether or not it will is another question.

 

That’s what I said. Just Trains are not covering Matlock to Buxton on the old route which no longer exists in real life. In any case, most TSW routes have an equivalent in TSC. Just Trains already have MML for example (of which the route extension you mention is a part). Theirs covers a much more extensive network though, not just a stand alone route which TSW3 will be.

 

Turns out I was completely wrong, it didn’t slow to a trickle at all. As far as I can see there’s not been a single post about E2G since that totally accidental ‘leak’. Not one. It’s like it never happened.

How crushingly predictable.

 

But you have to give it to them: From their point of view DTG ´s driving a very clever strategy here: Give the people what they want (i.e pump out more DLCs) and they´ll stop moaning about the latest bug orgy. Well, at least it works for now ...

 

My issue with E and G is two fold. One is the sheer quantity of bugs coupled to the A to B one train humdrum offering. The second is that for this iconic route that is your lot. No chance of an 80s version or some more interesting branches. It's the same as a lot of Train Sim content across the platforms over the years once done that's your lot. At least with TSC and MSTS we could edit improvements in ourselves.

Some of the new stuff does look decent. Once again the German content will be top of my to buy list.

 

Edinburgh to Glasgow looked decent too, I was actually quite looking forward to it but really should have known better.

I wonder how many of the ‘£30 day 1 purchase’ crowd are still playing E2G regularly?

 

I hear you. And I agree that there´s indeed some decent looking stuff. Being German, I´m pretty tempted to get my hands at least on the new german routes. They do look stunning. The Rhein routes are legendary in train buff´s world. But that would require me getting TSW3, and no, with DTG´s current delivery and bug-fixing policies this isn´t an option.

This game software business seems somehow to act in a legal vacuum or at least in a grey zone. DTG´s EULA is full of rights, hardly any duties. And I can´t see how you could hold them accountable for paying AAA prices for their bug-infested software launches (E2G the latest example). There´s that 2 hours refund window in which you hardly explore a new DLC in total, and then that was it. And additionally, and that´s the worst part, they break your already existing reasonably well working DLCs with their "patches" and just leave it broken as is. There´s squat you can do about it. Nothing, zilch!

I come from the automotive industry and I´m 100% sure if we´d have developed such buggy products, the customer would´ve sued us to Armageddon. For Billions of Dollars, at least in the US. And he would be entitled to do so because the laws are quite clear and due diligence is well defined. How so NOT in this billion dollar business like game software? Ain´t there no regulation entity like an NTSB or equivalent?

Well ...... rant over. It won´t change anything, not with DTG´s current customer policies at least.

 

And if you keep refunding steam probably start looking at wether you just want free goes on everything or are genuinely unhappy. Edinburgh to Glasgow in my eyes was a poor product before the bugs. This is one of Scotlands flagship routes and had hype from Scotrail to boot. So I avoided it at the time of release and wouldn't touch it in the current form at the current price. Unfortunately if someone announced a WCML or ECML route it would fly out regardless of quality I would think. Its wether its battered in feedback after release and if people would keep going back to play again or do we live in wow, play then next please world and forget about anything previously released?

 

It is actually possible to not purchase a route due to doing due dilligence, then not be exposed to bugs and then see what new stuff is coming and get excited about it!

For me the new Scotrail route which I was determined would be a day one purchase is now on the wait and see what happens list. If they fix the sounds and other bugs it might become a full price purchase or a sale purchase but I can wait.

Frankly I have been a little disappointed with the two UK routes announced, but the German and USA content I am excited about.

I do wonder if I am playing the same sim sometimes, as I find it on the whole a very enjoyable and relaxing experience, and with the mix of all the different routes and trains there is now enough variety. Believe me if I didn't it would be uninstalled as it was for over a year.

The only bugs I have noticed recently are a couple with the safety systems on Boston Sprinter which are about to be fixed anyway. it was a minor inconvenience if irritating. Also the sound of a PZB alarm on the Dresden route yesterday which was sounding after I had exited the train and it had driven off, so not sure what happened there! I was about to go to bed anyway so it wasn't a big issue. Although I find SOS is still not as it should be so that is not being used until the next round of fixes come around.

 

Nearly 2 weeks in, I’m still playing E2G constantly, there are bugs there’s no denying, are they game breaking, do they spoil immersion? No not really.

The biggest let down is the timetable, if it was a DTG route it would have been a fuller almost 24hr time well (0500-2300 at least) which isn’t really represented by Rivet. I feel like there are mistakes and bugs in this route that DTG wouldn’t have let happen. If Joe had worked on the timetable it would be a million times better.

Visually the route is stunning, I mean look at it!


Sort the Class 385 sounds along with some lighting issues in tunnels and hopefully some timetable improvements, it’ll be up there with one of the best routes, in my opinion.

 

I think because of the price increase, people naturally want a bit more quality. Immersion breaking is gamebreaking and unplayable to many people. Even standard tsw3 features were left out such as shiny and reflective platforms. Some buttons that worked in previous dlcs not working in this dlc even if it did absolutely nothing. Even some timetable services are actually not realistic. Doesn't match the real timetable not just in timings but also in terms of what stations they stop at.

 

So stunning you’re running mods on it? Obviously each to their own, and there would clearly be people who can easily look past the issues, but it was a rhetorical question. Of everyone who jumped in on day 1 I can only wonder how many refunded it, how many played then quickly gave up (and/or are awaiting the mod pack), how many play sporadically and how many play all the time? We’ll never know the answer sadly.

What we can say is that distraction via hype seems to be a solid technique available to DTG.