Honestly though, that was already my plan. Though mostly because I'm not really interested in any of the routes or trains from either pack this year. Will get it on a good discount though. But I'm waiting on Tadami and Zwolle-Groningen
Actually... I think it should still be there, and I'm sure during surveying, the team has/will notice(d) that in the underpass in Zwolle, through which you go as a passenger when going to any other platform than 1 and 14, there is piano for use near the elevator and information booth. Though the stoppers to Groningen & Leeuwarden (goes till Meppel) do depart from 1 and 14, so from spawning near the gates, you would only see it on this route when going to the IC's Still tho. Would be a nice (and unintrusive) collectible much like on Edinburgh - Glasgow
I would love some shunting in the harbour Rotterdam @ "Rangeerterrein Kijfhoek" in the 80's #vanlinksnaarrechts I found a old (dutch) video. Back then they pushed the wagons on a hilll, at the top the wagons then rolled down the hill to there destination. They called this fully automated proces "Heuvelen". They still use this "Heuvelsysteem" Here you can see how all wagons are connected to the right train by means of the 'Hilling Process' and Gravity. Here they filmed the proces with a drone. And at last some on board FPV content,...
Alright, everyone! Let's talk collectibles including maps. Usually I mostly ignore collectibles, especially if they're annoying and intrusive (like roadside obstacles. If you're gonna do those, I'd much rather that be optionally generated to be cleared instead of having the whole route be littered with one time obstacles) but let's speculate and come up with suggestions anyways! Maps: Firstly, maps the way TSW does it don't really appear on the route, but they're a staple for TSW, so there's some freedom there. I think there's only one actual contender for how the maps should look like here, and for most people's recent nostalgia, I'd be disappointed if the maps on the route didn't resemble the old yellow maps: They're gone today, ever since 2013-ish. But making the maps in this style would probably be appreciated by a whole lot of Dutch railfans for their nostalgia! 1. Broken entry gates. Entry gates are a relatively new (and frankly annoying when its busy and they don't work) thing. They also break down occasionally. One possible collectible could be a half open broken entry gate to fix. 2. Broken PiS screens (?) This one could be a bit risky as they are actually used and important, and I find it hard to imagine how to have them in an actually operable state and also broken state in the game. But sometimes you encounter a broken one. In fact, currently at Zwolle and at least for a while, the one on platform 14 which services the sprinter to Groningen (our service ) has been broken and has been displaying the wrong time and train. 3. Stork nests Now, whether or not they're collectibles or just featured. There do appear a lot of stork nests on the catenaries IRL on this route. Wildlife protections wants them gone for safety concerns, but everytime they're moved, the storks start building new nests on the catenary. Now. I did say I dont like intrusive collectibles, and I don't quite know how to implement this as a collectible without implying animal abuse by moving a nest. But collectible or not, they're kinda iconic for this route and I hope they're included in one way or another. 4. Green and blue soccer balls. So, this route connects two cities with Eredivisie Football clubs. PEC Zwolle (blue) and FC Groningen (green). In fact, Groningen Europapark, the last station before Groningen, serves the Euroborg stadium in which FC Groningen is based. Now, neither one is exactly the other one's main rival team, but it could still be fun to have some matchday memorabilia scattered around the map. Same with how, if a route Amsterdam - Rotterdam is ever made, it absolutely hard requires some Klassieker (Ajax - Feyenoord) memorabilia I recon not all of these are perfectly good ideas, but I'm hoping to hear all y'all suggestions!
I saw on a Google Earth picture of Station Hoogeveen the ubiquitous AED, that would be an easy choice; and perhaps they could do something with these water fountains?
Thanks for telling me about this and speaking of the GTW you must be referring to the DB BR646 which Arriva uses to run Bad Nieuweschans to Oldenburg Hbf when the bridge was operational.
Just watched the cab ride video posted by Stefan on this route and, oh yes, the stork nests are there with their occupants showing themselves about the nest edge.
Prinsjesdag? AED's are actually a fantastic idea and promotes health and safety. But it would repeat a lot of German route collectibles, though that's not necessarily a bad thing if it's just 1 thing. The drinking fountain though. FIrst of all, what would be "wrong" with them? Would they be covered up like some ticket machines on some lines? Ticket machines are also actually a possible collectible And secondly regarding the drinking fountains. A lot of the cases they're actually just outside of the stations. In Zwolle for example, there's one in front and behind the stations just outside the gates. And while I would hope they would include the front area of Zwolle because it looks wonderful (picture below). I have my doubts on how far behind the station entry gates we're going to be able to walk. Also, this picture just reminded me of the most obvious collectibles for ANY Dutch route! BICYCLES!!!
Actually, just thought of it. At a lot of stations, there are postal dropboxes, and they are orange and would make for great collectibles. Maybe there's a few postcards sticking out. Also, possibly, pictures of the route from a long time ago?
Agreed, that's why I said it was an easy choice ;-) There's a route where you have to fill water bottles, can't remember off the top of my head which one. They could do something similar here, but as you say, I doubt whether every station has one on the premises, or has one at all. Of course! Maybe they could do something with those special public-transport ("OV") bicycles ("fietsen") you can rent at stations? They are very recognisable and painted in the NS-colours. Also, the shape is what we call an "oma fiets" (grandmother's bicycle), which seems to be considered the archetypical Dutch-style bicycle abroad:
The DB Br 646 is an GTW Gen2 which looks different. In germany there is 1 company thay uses a Gen3 GTW which is ODEG with the VT 646. In the Netherlands we just call it the GTW the older people still call it a SPURT. (This was because the old red trains recieved that name when it was introduced. Also STADLER doesnt use "br" stuff in their train types. Its something typical Germany and UK.
It would be really funny if they did an American impression of the Netherlands and just filled it with tulips, windmills and the passengers are all milkmaids or farmers witch clogs.
Then playing as a conductor on an empty train as the away fans are regularly forbidden to enter each other cities
How much freight runs between Zwolle and Groningen at in this era? Is it something a 193 could be used for?
Only the UC Onnen and Dolime as far as I know. The UC Onnen uses until Zwolle a DBC 193/189 and in Zwolle it will change to a DBC 6400. Don’t know about the Dolime. On the route itself it’s pretty dead with freight, but you can use the DBC 193 as AI around Zwolle.
Thanks for the info! I know that some areas for freight in the Netherlands can be very quiet but I know on routes such as the Betuweroute it can be busy, especially with 189s
He means a mixed freight service. UC stands for Unit Cargo but thats not an official therm outside the Netherlands. A unit Cargo is a mixed train with different parts for different cargo loading or unloading points. Here the most train spotters see a train with different cartyps and say "oh thats a unit cargo" but you can only know that if you have the loading papers. The Dolimetrain so far i know until Onnen electric and diesel and from Onnen its diesel only.
So technically something they won’t replicate in the service mode with layers… ah that’s a shame. But never mind, maybe a chance for a DLC
The problem is also the ATB thats needed for the Dutch railway system and change 1 loco to a whole new system for 2 runs is a lot of work so i dont think they will add this but you never know.... Lets wait until the release
Yeah, so it's about a handful of freight trains a day, but mostly after dark. Most often I see 189's carrying them. Often carrying tankers. Sometimes class 66. But as mentioned, even though it requires only some modification, it's not enough use to justify creating a whole new locomotive for. Though I will say. It'd be interesting, and I would love for a mainland European version of the Class 66 to appear in the game some time eventually.
It would be nice if DTG would add one freight car to this route, located on the shunting area near Onnen. Christrains has made a version for TSC, this wagon could be used for other future Dutch routes as well. Doesn't have to be fully functional. https://www.christrains.com/en/ts_product_nsfccpps.html I also hope the sleepers will be of a lighter tint of grey, the concrete has often a rather dark colour.
Add a freight wagon with no possibility to drive is useless and throw money away... The point is all vectron locos are not equipped with ATB and 1,5kv systems so to rebuild a whole loco for 1 or 2 runs is even waste of money
I heard some rumors next will be the SNCF BB 7200 Expert on some France/Belgium route, In 1976 the French State Railways (SNCF) bought 237 multiple-current-system locomotives of the series BB 7200 for the use in the French DC network. The design of the locomotives with the so-called "nez cassé" (broken nose) was created by the frenchman Paul Arzens, who at that time was also responsible for the design of several other SNCF locomotives. From 1999, the locomotives were allocated to various business divisions and have since been used in front of various types of trains. In 1991, the first locomotive of the NS 1600 series entered service, which is based on the French BB 7200. I like rumors like that
Oh sounds interesting. When in the Netherlands the most common loco I see is probably the NS1600 series but that’s both on passenger and Freight
Can I ask where you got those rumors from? Because personally I find them a bit unlikely. While I would absolutely love it if Expert Mode became the standard, at least for now I don't think it will be yet. Neither do I think that DTG are going to be ones doing expert content themselves. So far, the only expert loc in the game is German, made by TSG, in which the G stands for "Germany", which focusses on Germany, and also it's just a loc, not a full route. Given so far the only French route is DTG-made, and the only ones making expert content so far are focussed entirely on Germany and do not make routes. I doubt the next expert project will be French. Though I will say. I'm pretty sure Christrains will be at the very least consulted if not outright contracted for work on the NS trains. And with that, depending on how much licenses with NS do allow for, I have high hopes for the NS trains at least nearing expert level. Though I do think it will use DTG philosophy on the door controls (a.k.a. being able to open locked doors) Though with Guard Mode, which hopefully will be featured on this too, they will probably have to at least do the door closing sequences right, instead of just doing an "all close" thing.
This type gained fame by pulling the longest passenger train in the world in 1989, over 1.6 km with 60 intercity carriages, on the occasion of 150 years of railways in the Netherlands. The locomotive 1607 "Vlissingen" was used for this. It received an extra major overhaul especially for that occasion. Special inscriptions were also applied to the locomotive. For example, the text 'I pulled the longest passenger train in the world' was added. Two years later the record was broken again by the Belgian E-loc 2711, which pulled 70 carriages. The 1607 was demolished in Almelo in 2015 When we look back to 5 years ago, and think about how quickly that time went by. How much progress has Dovetailgames made in that time? Now that they have surprised us so much with this prospect, I am sure we/they can match this in Train Sim World when the Dutch Railways celebrate their 200th anniversary.
Took a moment to quickly draw out the map on a screenshot. As mentioned, about 105km with 8 stations, all visible on the map, except one. Zwolle - Meppel - Hoogeveen - Beilen - Assen - Haren - Groningen Europapark - Groningen
Just wondering what DTG is going to do with the achievements now that neither of the trains included have a number in their type name for the "driven XX.XKM on DB BR XXX" kinds of achievements
140 is the general maximum line speed in the Netherlands, with a few exceptions on parts between Amsterdam and Breda. Full Sprinter run over the whole route takes 1:30 Full IC run over the whole route takes 0:57
I just drove this route in TSC (after spending an eternity getting all the requirements!) It wasn't the most scenic route but it was different enough to what I'm used to in TSC to warrant a purchase. Even just the higher viewpoint in the Koploper unit is cool. Definitely second on my list for TSW5 after Preston to Carlisle.
For scenery, commuting on this route IRL daily, it's pretty scenic in a bit of a similar way to how Oldenburg - Bremen is. Though one of the things I think is very important on this route is doing the closed treelines right. The Netherlands may be flat, but on most parts here, there's a line of trees from 10 to 200m from the tracks that you can't really see through. Basically, my point. The lanscape doesn't feel empty if there's proper care and attention put into it, but dropping down a group of trees with clear sizable gaps that don't really break up the landscape doesn't work. Basically. Even if it's the horizon. At no point unless it's winter, should the land touch the sky. There's always a line of trees inbetween.
But again, only a small portion of that route is on Dutch soil, and the stock is all DB and not NS. As a nod to the Dutch route building scene in Train Simulator Classic, the TSW route should come with at least one VERY LOUD street organ. No, I'm referring to the Dutch Arriva trains, not the German ones. Arriva NL doesn't use class numbers, but their units around the border crossings are mostly Stadler GTW 2/6 and GTW 2/8 trains (diesel powered). Although the BR 646 is also a GTW 2/6, the Dutch Arriva units are quite different from the DB BR 646. They're fitted with a different nose, have a different internal layout and of course come with the Dutch safety systems instead of the German ones. Dutch Arriva unit (old livery): New (current) livery:
Ieder dubbeltje omdraaien (To turn over every ten cent piece) Wie wat bewaart, die heeft wat (He who saves, has something) By following these two sayings I managed to collect almost all the DLCs. I often wait until there is an offer in the store. But of course this does not apply to any Dutch route and/or locomotive, I will buy them immediately upon release. Dat staat als een paal boven water (that is as clear as day)
its more like when i looking pis display from Netherlands Spoor in Danish they said Spor its more like Denmark and Netherlands nice google translate Dutch and Danish
The person that will speak the tutorials should have a hot potato in their mouth so it sounds like English spoken by a Dutch person.
The one with "i had my first period" is the one that i nearly choked me on my lunch.... Bizar..... It walks out of the hand hehehe
