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Must admit that one made be laugh after a quick google search. My dad is in his 80s and by no means young!

 

yes

what for? does it break DTGS rules?

 

[EDIT - Jan - Insulting]

 

Just guys stop giving him the attention he needs because his parents couldn’t care less about his mediocre existence. He’s always back with numerous accounts because he got no friends and life. Back on the tracks, DTG should really invest on more mods monitoring the forum to avoid it turning really ugly and unpleasant to use, I don’t really want it to be toxic with all these pathetic trolls just screwing up threads to close them.

 

This thread needs to be locked at this point

 

No wonder we see all sorts of passengers on the trains.
And what do we do when this happens ?? We focus on finishing our journey...

 

You could probably do Alex or JD a quick favor by deleting the thread for them if you’re able, it’s just gone down a bad rabbit hole at this point… and it definitely didn’t achieve any productive purpose so just pull the plug bro

 

i would to get rid off the troll and what he wants but i don't know how to or dont know if i can

[EDIT - Jan - Language]

 

Was trying to look at one of my old threads to figure out how to delete, but I couldn’t figure it out either. Looks like you might not be able to unfortunately

 

True because with the Jane situation it's making things worse.

 

Honestly I’ve been so out of the loop on that so I can’t exactly pick a side… hell I don’t even know what the sides are. Looks like quite the poop flinging contest though.

 

“Poop flinging” I love that term, sums it all up nicely.

 

I love the irony of this.
Starts thread complaining about toxicity of forum.

Ends up more toxic than original post.

 

Domino effect

 

I think we need some of this stuff here.

 

What we need is some full time moderators for when people have too much shandy on a Sunday afternoon.

 

Well face it every thread turns toxic and off topic now. I wouldn't be surprised if DTG start restricting posts until they are reviewed first.

Thanks for potentialy ruining it for everyone trolls.

Some of us actually try to get valid information and opinions on the forums.

It's a shame really. Maybe schools should return to teaching the Golden Rule again.

 

more mods would be a good shout, or a forum where only dtg can post but hey neither will happen

 

Cool! We had a similar design in Germany as well:

More info here. Your loco is mentioned, too!

 

I hate that stuff. We'd run into it all the time on pinball machines we were restoring, because people would use it to anchor screws and such on the playfield when the hole was a bit loose. Incredibly obnoxious to deal with.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

This thread is entertaining, ill say that lol!

 

I think if anything this thread is demonstrating what trolls really look like (colakevin).

The thread this one refers to, specifically certain content in said thread, I do believe is more about someone (torfmeister) being on a crusade with good intentions (to try to prevent people spending money on a product based on promises alone and, in his eyes, being conned into doing so, even if that isn't the reality as he perceives it), albeit ultimately and innocently not realising that if what he's linking to is in fact itself the lie then that is hurtful to the person under question (and then torfmeister himself is a victim of being duped by people).

I wish I hadn't got involved, really, even though I do have questions about things I've seen. Ponderings and puzzlements, which I normally keep to myself – because I do have an open mind as to what I see. As I said before, I'd been watching and simply waiting for the development promises to prove true for that route.

And there is such a thing as redemption (if there is any cause for it). Past can indeed be past (for example I knew someone previously engaged in criminal activity, but I absolutely believed they had changed their ways, and I helped them reconcile with people they had stolen from: family). And I think we have to understand that people can be sucked into things, whether right or wrong, and from their perspective they will mean well with their actions and words, even if it isn't right in reality.

But certainly what we should do is watch with analytical eyes and judge with our wallets, i.e. are we being given what we've been promised? If so pay for the product if we're satisfied we are; if not don't – and just leave it at that, and leave anything else to karma if any is due.

Come tomorrow, I hope DTG take a thoughtful approach to any action: Who are the real trolls? Who has threatened actual violence against a person (I did see someone doing that)?

 

i think youve really hit the nail on the head there

 

Right to free speech.
Responsibility to use it wisely.

 

A forum where only DTG can post would basically just be the news page on the website.

 

Lol.

 

Just so everyone knows, This entire forum has made a total arse of itself.
Playing into a troll, berating someone on compassionate leave dealing with a sick loved one, constantly giving the developers overtly harsh criticism, finding a way to complain about literally everything.

Time to just get these forums in the bin before you all make more C-to-the-T's out of this community.
It's been getting worse for about 8 months now and it's spilling over. The fact this is a reasonable statement to make, is just appalling.

But that's just my take.

 

no i agree, this forum is a sinking ship, who knows how long it'll be for DTG to put it out of its misery

 

This is the Drama I have been missing lately in my life

 

DTG would never get rid of the forums. It’s a good place for players to voice opinions about the game. Just because there are things you don't like seeing doesn't mean the forums have to go. If you don't like it here then you don't have to be here or if there are things that are out of line or not appropriate, just report it or ignore it. It's not so difficult.

 

so i cant voice my opinions on things i dont like then?

 

You can but Im not the one saying how long before DTG will put the forums out of it's misery. If you have problems with certain posts, you can just report them if you feel like they are out of line. Say what you want sure, but there are also other ways to deal with inappropriate posts.

The irony of all this is due to the mnl releasing in a poor state, it's gotten some people righfuly pissed off although I do agree some posts from what I saw perhaps weren't appropriate and there are those that are using language that they perhaps shouldn't use. But perhaps if the route didn't release as the dumpster fire it was, we probably wouldn't be here

 

Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should.
All this thread, for instance, has done; is allow the discussion in the old MML thread to continue to burn on.

There is a very bold line between:
"We think this DLC is bad"
And
Whatever the hell is going on here.

It has been blown out of proportion, massively. Berating and Discussing Jane in the manner that it has been done, whilst he is on compassionate leave looking after a loved one, is disgusting.

 

I can’t agree to the idea that the forums is a complete failure deserving of a shutdown.

sure the odd people are pretty bad at times “see the 15 ish posts by a troll on this thread for an example”

but criticism and positive feedback is needed for this game, more radio silence isn’t the answer.

 

Well it either needs a huge wave of bans, or there is little choice.
Half of topics, especially on more opinionated areas, seem to derail.

 

Oh I agree. Sure the guy may have allegedly done shady things in the past but to turn a thread from giving feedback to going after him seems a bit much although from what I've read, it was more pointing out the shady things allegedly done in the past. Personally, I don't have an opinion on the matter since I wouldn't buy a skyhook games dlc anyways

The point I was making though is that from the post I quoted, it gave an impression that the forums should be shut down which I don't agree with and that perhaps if the dic was in a better state, what we saw happen wouldn't have happened. Just because there are posts that you may not like mean that the forums shouldn't exist. There are ways to deal with threads that may have a view that you may not like, agree with or are inappropriate

 

I wouldn’t say a huge amount of bans but a few is near certain

Certain threads usually u can tell are doomed from the start, usually either start with a verbal aggressive petition to a split argument or slightly get political.

in all the honesty the troll who thinks placing commas to split words hides them from any sort of ban is the worst I’ve come across in 3 years ish

 

One of DTG's more admirable policies IMO is their commitment to engaging with the public, both via the forums and with their dedication to livestreams with active chats, even at risk of software hiccups making the air, when they could just do prerecorded, manufactured videos that show only the best of everything. That does mean dealing with the worst of the public as well as the best, but that's every aspect of life.

The current state of the forums isn't how they have always been, nor is how they will always be. No need for a nuclear option; just deal with individuals as the people they show themselves to be and everything will sort itself out.

 

Totally agree with you. The toxicity in these forums has increased to unacceptable levels. Criticism is fine. Bullying and harassment are not. The recent behaviour of certain individuals is disgusting and shameful. I'm all for free speech, but free speech does not include the behaviour and comments of these individuals. There is an old saying in the rave community: PLUR. Peace, Love Unity, Respect. A saying worth remembering on these forums.

 

Free Speech means you can say whatever you want, on the surface.
However you have the responsibility - another would argue obligation - to act sensibly with that free speech and act within reason. If not for others, just so to not make yourself look like a moron.

Anyone who cries about "Free Speech" because someone thinks they shouldn't be saying what they are saying are just dodging the point because they either know they're wrong, or they just cba debating it. Either way, it's a cope.

Freedom of Speech doesn't apply on an Internet Forum, either. You have to follow the rules.

I've seen worse. The troll is one of countless in just this year. Even existing members have shown true colours at times, the stupid spats in the off-topic board, the wave New Members with nothing-suggestions who throw the toys out whenever someone asks for more detail, the number of trolls, the increase in spam, and - unfortunately - a fair number of active, decent, members walking away have created a "perfect" storm.

 

I agree. Freedom to talk is always guaranteed (that’s the part where it starts not people’s reaction), Freedom from Consequences because of that, has never been fully guaranteed.

I miss the days where that was brung about to stop people going to the “tower” for saying they’re not keen the current dictator type thing. Not the I think I’m dealing with an American Nationalist type thought when seeing it.



Ive seen few to what could have been in the daily 3 years ish I’ve been here, nothing as persistent/spammy to be honest

 

People are saying the forums should be shut down because of one bad thread. Ironically if the forums get shut down people will complain, DTG can never win sometimes.

 

>Starts a thread to complain about toxicity

> thread becomes even more toxic

How ironic

 

I wouldn’t say it’s an ironic situation as those that want to it to stay active wouldn’t be the ones calling for its close. It’s still a 2 sided argument rather than some strange jump ship/change teams scenario.

 

And about the skyhook situation, I totally understand the annoyance, essentially people got scammed here, we were given so many promises by Jane, just to find out none of those were true. I am in no place to comment about Jane’s personal information, but what I will say is this has done irreversible damage to Skyhook’s reputation in these forums and probably the wider community. What I will say though is, DTG and SHG need to provide some clarity to the discrepancies in the communication, and even the launch of the MML, which was borderline unplayable, it’s a bit of a shame that one of the most hyped up releases of the year ended up how it was. Till this day I still sadly experience crashes on the MML line, something that never happened on my console with more intensive routes. It’s extremely upsetting and valid. The thread however did spiral into a cesspool of whatever, but seriously I am anticipating what DTG do about the patch fixes we were promised at launch, and unfortunately this is arguably one of the most disappointing and disastrous launches we have had to a route in TSW. Even if we do not get the “extensions” we were promised by Jane, I do hope the route is at least made to be playable enough to have a full run without crashes or a game breaking bug.

 

People are just overreacting to it, the whole forum is fine, that thread wasn’t, doesn’t mean the forum needs to be locked off. I do hear your point of view though

 

I kinda decided to keep out of the MML forum drama stuff as I never understood what it’s about (haven’t kept up, just heard there was drama about it),

though I’m firmly on the team of keep the forums open

 

I just read the whole thread, and it’s just wild tbh