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Store Is Very Insulting

Discussion in 'PC Discussion' started by rat7_mobile, Mar 14, 2020.

  1. rat7_mobile

    rat7_mobile Active Member

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    in the store that is a the top link, the Canada run is being listed in the USA, please change this, CANADA is NOT, absolutely NOT the same as USA

    Thank you for your cooperation
     
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  2. BigMountain555

    BigMountain555 Well-Known Member

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    Lol! That route has much bigger problems...like Missing 2/3s of the Hamilton Industrial Zones.
     
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  3. Yerolo

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    They should just rename it from US to North America....that way they can lump all the USA and Canadian content together still. Keeps everyone happy
     
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  4. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. As someone who once spent a year living in Ottawa, I firmly believe that Oakville Subdivision should be specifically labeled as Canadian. Prior to Brexit, would you have labeled any of the Britain-based routes European?
     
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  5. synthetic.angel

    synthetic.angel Well-Known Member

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    As part of a strategically developed TEN-T network of freight corridors and high-speed passenger lines....? Yes. Yes, you would:

    https://www.railwaygazette.com/poli...icy-to-focus-on-ten-t-corridors/38794.article

    And maybe explicitly laid out in federal law (Council Directive 96/48/EC) circa 1996ish, so that federal funding could be applied to pan European projects in the UK... maybe..? Yes - yes, you would.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-European_high-speed_rail_network

    Of course, I am assuming that by mentioning Brexit that you are referring to "Britain", as opposed to the composer Benjamin Britten... ;-)

    I do see some merit in Yerolo's suggestion - "North America" is potentially a good regional description. But I don't blame Canadians for wanting the differentiation, because Canada is an independent country, and it is a far far bigger country than the US. Even if the United States annexed another fairly large country like Sweden (which is twice the size of the UK...)..... then Canada would still be bigger.... So a more reasonable mistake would be to assume that the US is part of Canada.....

    *runs away as fast as possible*
     
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  6. JohnnyK98

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    North America is fine.
    We share a lot of the same locomotives, and our rails often cross paths.

    Quebec should be separated though.
    *outruns synthetic.angel*
     
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  7. mrchuck

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    Any North American route is fine I hope we could get the metro north Harlem line or New haven line or a extension from Mineola to oyster bay or Hicksville to Port Jefferson or Huntington.
     
  8. LimitedEdiition

    LimitedEdiition Well-Known Member

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    Geographically speaking, Britain is a part of the continent of Europe. That's a fact and not up for debate, just like how North America encompasses both Canada and the United States. Brexit doesn't change that, and your belief on Canadian exceptionalism doesn't either.
     
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  9. BigMountain555

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    All along Dovetail has treated the different countries individually. I see no need to lump Canada and USA together as North America.

    We currently have DLC from UK, Germany, USA, and now Canada.

    I hope to eventually see DLC from France, Russia, Japan, etc.
     
  10. synthetic.angel

    synthetic.angel Well-Known Member

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    I agree, and I think that the USA can sometimes be considered to be an independent country, although I often think of it as just being part of "Southern Canada". Although this could be wrong In any case, as isn't the entire state of Virginia the property of the Duke of Westminster....?
     
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  11. IsambardKingdomBrunel

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    Don't be so bloody stupid. The UK is an island and does not form any part of the European Continent. No idea what they teach for Geography these days. It has nothing to do with Brexit, it is a matter of land being completely surrounded by water = ISLAND. We have always been an island nation and always will be. As for Canada, it is a sovereign nation and nothing to do with the USA. It just happens to exist on the same land mass.
     
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  12. JohnnyK98

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    I like trains.
     
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  13. synthetic.angel

    synthetic.angel Well-Known Member

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    Ooooh - some minor issues here.....

    The UK is not an island. The UK is a collection of territories that are in political union (Union with Scotland, plus a governed principality (Wales), and a province (Northern Ireland)), and spread over a large number of islands, including Great Britain.

    The UK is part of Europe. The UK is geographically well within the European Continent, which stretches hundreds of miles west of the UK's most western borders. And the UK is on the Eurasian tectonic plate. So, in terms of physical geography, the UK is very firmly part of Europe, and will continue to be so for hundreds of millions of years.

    The UK is also part of the European Union, and has been for over forty years. As a sovereign state within that Union, yes, the UK has now applied to remove itself from full EU membership. It is very highly likely that the UK will apply to join EFTA and find itself within the European Economic Area (along wiith Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein)....... although it is possible, of course, that the current UK Government will not seek lucrative non-member trade links with the EU's Single Market. But that probably won't be a very sensible thing to do after COVID-19 has been dealt with, but then again.... I suspect that a lot of things are subject to change after COVID-19 - crikey - even the Tories have embraced rampant socialism for the time being....... But for now, for all practical purposes, the UK is currently part of the European Union (in transition until end 2020). Formally, the UK has left the EU. But I strongly suspect that the transition period will be extended.....

    So, the UK might eventually leave the EU. But the UK can't easily leave Europe. To do this, the UK demolition workers, or perhaps a very large asteroid, would have to cause a significant amount of damage to the Eurasian tectonic plate, to break the UK away from the rest of the plate. Such an event, if plausible, is likely to be, generally speaking, an Extinction Level Event, in which case the political union that is the UK will no longer exist anyway, as there will be no humans left to administer it. I think that It would be a shame to lose the Channel Tunnel, that physically links the UK with the rest of mainland Europe, but if that is what is needed to be truly independent, then I am sure a lot of people would support its destruction.

    Even if none of the above convinces you.... I can assure you that the landmass of Great Britain has not always been an island.... About 8000 years ago, when sea levels were lower, the area of the North Sea now known as "Dogger" (mentioned in fishing forecasts on the radio), was actually land, connecting current East Anglia to both the current Netherlands and Germany, with a mutual estuary for the Thames and the Rhine. There was no English Channel at that time.

    You might have noticed, as an English speaker, that the Anglo-Saxon language is Dutch/Germanic at root, with a latinate overlay (French). This is not a coincidence. I'd argue that language forms part of national identity, and that consequently English people are European. More so than England's Gaelic friends in Ireland, Wales and Scotland, funnily enough. English people are basically Germans, and have been, for a very long time.

    One thing that is a coincidence, is that as a Constitutional monarchy, the UK has, as Head of State, someone that is also German, by fairly recent heriditary. So - quite European..... You do have to laugh.... !

    ;-)

    Oooh - one final point. I quite like your Forum Name. Isambard, eh? The son of the great French civil engineer Marc Brunel. Funny that you chose a European as your avatar name.
     
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  14. stujoy

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    Not forgetting to include Greenland, Mexico and a whole load of other countries which are also North America.
     
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  15. Hooch

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    You seem so cocksure about this.
     
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  16. raildan

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    If we got a Mexican route I would gladly accept it as North American, they have the same rolling stock rail network as the rest of the continent, too- biggest difference is just language, and I think they use metric (Canadian railways don't do this either). There are plenty of other smaller differences, just like Canadian railways have their unique aspects, but in the end it's the same network- Kansas City Southern even crosses the border directly

    And, of course, the cool thing with North American railroads is how rolling stock from one railroad ends up on others- even with foreign power agreements, Ferromex power has actually made it all the way to Canada before (and vice versa).

    There are some cool route options there, for sure... freight only, for the most part, sadly (there is no Amtrak / VIA rail equivalent, Mexico City is the only city with a commuter rail network and it's 1 short completely grade-separated line)

    Greenland doesn't have trains obviously
     
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  17. JJTimothy

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    There are also South African, Chinese, Austrian and Swiss routes, though they are not numerous, as well those that slightly confuse the issue by crossing borders Three Countries being an obvious example. (There are French and Japanese routes too BTW.)
     
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    Now I see where they got the idea for comic book guy.
     
  19. BigMountain555

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    As this is the Train Sim World forum, I was referring to countries represented in Train Sim World and to date, there is only USA, UK, Germany, and now Canada.

    I really hope they break out of their usual rotation and branch out to other countries. BTW, I recently purchased Three Countries for Train Simulator during a recent sale. Nice route. Speaking of French routes... after all these years, they still only have the one route plus extension (which I also purchased and quite like).

    It appears that the vast majority of content for Train Simulator is from the same 3 nations, and it is clear the trend continues with Train Sim World.
     
  20. Doomotron

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    I guess it's sibling rivalry then!
     
  21. paulgregs

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    Try getting your head around the ticket pricing difference between England and Wales.....

    In England a 20 mile round trip will cost you about a pony, but in Wales (TfW) it'll only cost you a deep sea diver....
     
  22. FileTrekker

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    I wouldn't hold your breath.

    Dovetail make routes for the things they like rather than what the customers actually want.

    They'll also focus on the UK because they have a few license deals here with GWR, and can exploit their DB license.
    They exploit Germany because they have, again a brand license with DB.
    etc. etc.

    So they'll stay true to form and create things they like (BR Blue era) or things they have a license for. This became obvious when they released two UK routes which were BR blue in the north of England back to back. Total lack of variety in favor of their own whimsical nostalgia I imagine.

    Dovetail has a lot of issues. But we keep paying em' I guess so they'll keep peddling it.
     
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  23. jagay

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    A better analogy would be, would you EVER call Yorkshire "France"?

    No, don't think so. Likewise, Canada is not the USA, not at all.
     
  24. IsambardKingdomBrunel

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    The UK is an island it is surround by sea, we are an island off the coast of europe.

    Not up for debate it is pure and simple geography.

    By the way i am not english i am Welsh, so the flaming germans do not even come into it.

    Celt, not Anglo-Saxon or Norman.
     
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    i am not english i am hong kong
     
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    Is Northern Ireland on this Island or is it on another one?
     
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    The Uk is several islands. Roughly in the same sort of area....
    Now what else can we beat DTG with?
     
  29. Hooch

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    Well yeah, my point is why would we listen to someone lecture us on "simple geography" when they don't know the difference between the UK and Great Britain?
     
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  30. DTG Protagonist

    DTG Protagonist Dovetail Special Projects Staff Member

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    Easy mistakes to make going on in here, let's keep it calm. Don't even start on the fact that the British Isles include Ireland.

    Also, to follow-up on the original question - I've requested that "USA" is replaced with "North America" however it is, apparently extremely difficult to do due to a whole bunch of really tedious contractual situations. The request is in, so if this becomes possible in the future (it will at some point, just zero idea when) the change will be made.
     
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  31. LastTrainToClarksville

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    According to the latest edition of the National Geographic Atlas of the World, "The Atlantic, Arctic, and Pacific Oceans surround North America, the third largest continent. Its southern tip adjoins South America. Canada, the United States, and Mexico occupy most of its mainland. Seven small countries cluster in Central America, and an arc of island nations, the West Indies, defines the Caribbean Sea. Icebound Greenland, a dependency of Denmark, lies northeast of Canada."
    Therefore, replacing "North America" with "USA" is geographically incorrect and sure to anger Canadians as much as referring to the United States of America with the single noun "America" or adjective "American". I strongly suggest that you cancel your request immediately to avoid severe embarrassment!
     
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    Luckily the request is for the other way round, replacing the existing USA with the correct North America.
     
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  33. Trenomarcus

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    Oopsie ;)
     
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    What a tempest in a tea-pot...
     
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    A British band (Status Quo), wrote a song about this ............. so it MUST be true ;) :P

     
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    While we are an Island separated by water, we are on the "Eurasian Plate" which is the bit of rock that unites us all, love it or hate it. Some of us love our countries and can be very protective of them.

    Canada is part of North America (not to be confused by the country of the United States of America) Alaska and Mexico are also part of North America. Alaska formerly belonged to Russia BTW.

    LOOK theres enough trouble in the world without all of us getting our knickers in the twist and snapping at each other.

    It doesn't matter whether we are Black, White, Sky Blue pink or come from the Moon,Mars, Earth or any other celestial object, Just chill! we dont have to like each others views just tolerate and be civil!

    While I used IsambardKingdomBrunel post as a quote this is for everyone.

    Chill everyone
     
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