The Db Br 420 For Train Sim World 3 ?

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  1. bobbobberdd

    bobbobberdd Well-Known Member

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    I assume the DB BR 420 for Munich-Augsburg (and the DB BR 232 for Ruhr-Sieg Nord) will only be released for TSW3? Could we please have some clarification on that.
     
  2. Maik Goltz

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    That's correct.
     
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  3. trainsimgaming1001

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    It won't be released. It has been on the roadmap since november 2020, 3 years ago. We have had 2 more games, 3 if you include upgrading to 4.26, many many many german locos, most of which have outstanding issues that still have not been fixed (187). It is simply there on the roadmap, sitting on release date to be confirmed, which it has been at since it was added 3 years ago. I gave up hope with this years ago and with the PC Editor it is only a matter of time before someone makes it themselves and it would probably be better than anything TSG could come out with. If it does come out, it better be good, but there is a higher chance of gta 6 coming out before 2025 than this or the 232 releasing.
     
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  4. matinakbary

    matinakbary Well-Known Member

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    This is true. But this has neither anything to do with DTG nor TSG. That one's skyhooks DLC.
     
  5. CK95

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    DTG took over the 187 (at least with the sounds).
     
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  6. matinakbary

    matinakbary Well-Known Member

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    But it's still Skyhooks DLC. TSG often helps DTG with their german locos, they're still DTG locos, not TSG.
     
  7. owenroser19

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    I doubt that very much. This is why companies can’t say what they are working on, people can’t and won’t understand that it might not be a priority for them. It will come when it comes.
     
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  8. CK95

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    Yeah, but the current state of the sounds of the 187 are from DTG, who were trying to resolve Skyhooks issue. The line is blurred there, but when they say “we’ve taken over from Skyhook to resolve this issue” that to me says they’re taking responsibility.
     
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  9. meridian#2659

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    Why is that? Was the entire tsw core botched by the jump to version 4?
     
  10. CK95

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    That comment was from 2022, TSW 3 was the latest. Both the units will probably just release for whatever TSW were on when they’re ready.
     
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  11. solicitr

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    It's my understanding that the 420 is ready to go, as a loco/EMU, but HMA needs to be optimized before the route can handle additional traffic.
     
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  12. meridian#2659

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    Maik is always there for DTG and adds alot of good content to tsw as 2nd party developer. Without TSG the variety of german stock would look very small.

    Its only fair dtg finds a timeframe to overhaul HMA.
     
  13. Spikee1975

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    The 420 will need HMA to be updated to ToD4 - TSG don't want to make new stock based on the old lighting values - which would restrict the 420 to old routes only. When the 420 was announced, ToD4 wasn't a thing. That's the main issue for the delay and completely understandable, aside from Maik's involvement as 2nd party. When Influenzo has finished the work on the model, Maik will do the Simugraph setup I think.
     
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  14. solicitr

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    Well, the 420 only runs IRL on the Munich S-Bahn. It used to run in Stuttgart and the Rhine-Ruhr region, but has been withdrawn. So it isn't really an option on "new routes" anyway. (In theory DTG could do a vintage route in one of the above places, but then the 420 would have to be rebuult since TSG's model is the contemporary refurbished train).
     
  15. Spikee1975

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    That's true - still I think they don't want to do a TSW2 only compatible model, to be future proof. The lighting change caused a lot of issues, still not cured.

    I feel we'll see a ToDv4 overhaul of HMA. It's a popular route. TSG might be waiting for DTG's decision on the matter, and until that, the BR218 will be finished.
     
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  16. Tom Fresco

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    Well, it would be on Köln Aachen. S Bahn Köln still has 420s running in regular service, but they have some technical differences to the munic spec version. Also not a new Route that would need tod4 Treatment, but still another opportunity
     
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  17. solicitr

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    IIRC, Köln retired its 420s in 2014
     
  18. Tom Fresco

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    No. There are currently 420s in Operation on some S12 and S19 services.
     
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  19. solicitr

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    Hm! Didn't know that. But you are right, the 420s currently operating in München were extensively overhauled (necessarily, they're half a century old!) and that refurb version wouldn't be correct anywhere else.
     
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    Geez, it's been so long that I literally forgot TSG was making a BR 420. :(
     
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  22. solicitr

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    It appears also that VVRR is keeping 18 trainsets in reserve as substitute trains when needed.
     
  23. matinakbary

    matinakbary Well-Known Member

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    I hope we'll hear from TSG in the near future again. Maybe after the 111 released? Pretty sure Maik helped with the setup there. But since the next route, Semmering, doesn't feature a brand new loco (not underminding the non-trivial work that goes into converting the 182 to a 1116) I hope TSG has some time to get at least one of their locos out.

    We know that the 420 is for HMA, waiting for a TOD4 upgrade.
    We don't know for which routes the 218 and 232 will go.
    I think the 232 can fit on any new TSW3+ route. Even for Linke Rheinstrecke.
    Thinking of the 218, Hamburg-Lübeck comes to my mind, but essentially has the same problem as HMA: needs a TOD4 upgrade.

    So it's pretty hard to tell, when the 420 and 218 will come. It's not depending on TSG alone, but also on DTG.
    232 doesn't necessarily require a TOD4 upgrade for a route, so... is this maybe the next TSG release?
     
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  24. Myron

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    god damn it here we go at it again
     
  25. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    I fear we ticked him off and he rage-quit the Forum.
     
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    Yeah he left the forum last December I think because some people were making rant threads against him.
     
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  27. Spikee1975

    Spikee1975 Well-Known Member

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    The 218 would fit in practically everywhere, and the 232 on the east german routes.
     
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    The 218 with some IC wagen or Dostos will be appreciated.
     
  29. matinakbary

    matinakbary Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I know. And tbh, good for him and his sanity! I hope for his mental health that he doesn't come back :D

    But i meant "hearing" in the way of an official announcement
     
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  30. matinakbary

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    Before unification, yeah. But after 1990 they were also in western germany. Pretty sure about that.
     
  31. Spikee1975

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    Not really many.
     
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    Although following political unification DB and DR coordinated operations prior to the merger, and some DR rolling stock did work western routes, they didn't really have depots or workshops in the West to support them, so when a Ludmilla was seen in, say, Hamburg, it probably was one which had brought a train from Leipzig and would be turning around and heading back.
     
  33. Spikee1975

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    The 243 (which was an impressive loco technically, then modified and running as 112/114/143) and the Doppelstock wagons made it succesfully into the West :) Also the BR155.
     
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    Well, the 243/143 was actually purchased by DB, along with its 112 derivative. This was a political decision: the government wanted to keep the Hennigsdorf works running because unemployment and recession in the former DDR were a huge issue. The price paid was the discontinuation of the BR 120.
     
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  35. grob-e

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    Well, from some point of view, the last time, it was that quiet from their side, somewhat half a year later TSG came out with the Niddertalbahn. Maybe, well, I guess, noone would be to upset, if that would happen again... I mean, would it be that bad, if they came out with a route (let's say Pasing-Holzkirchen) build for the 420? For me, I wouldn't really deny that probable possibility...
     
  36. Lamplight

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    Depends on the area. The Ruhr area quickly amassed a significant number of them for the heavy ore and coal trains.
     

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