On a purely entertainment level, to drive trains on routes that interest you (if any are published that pique that interest)
Just to be clear. I was (and am I guess) complaining, that I need to buy at least one route from the current offering. But in none of the routes I take any interest. They all seem, as far as it stands now, the same stuff as usual: half baked routes with a lot of compromises which spoil the fun for me. But I know, in the future there are going to be routes I like. So why for heavens sake do I need to buy a route I don't want just to get the update? What is so difficult to let me buy the update and I can decide which route I want later? I really don't get it.
What do you call "the update"? If you don't like the new TSW4 routes, do not buy them. If there is a future TSW4 route that will be released later, and you want it, look for the cheapest bundle that contains the TSW4 core and the route you want. Hopefully, the cheapest bundle contains exactly this: the route you want along with TSW4 core. Like the BCC Starter Pack, or the NYT Starter Pack, and so on.
So for you in simpler words: I! Don't! Want! The! New! Routes! Given the really unpredictable nature of DTG I DONT BET ON ANY FUTURE BUNDLE! And you shouldn't too! Give me the [profanity] Core-Update and there will be no need for a bundle which is not clear ever happens. Is this really too much to ask? Is this really too hard to understand?
The Update would cost the same as the TSW4 Core pack with one route. So there is no benefit for you. Most people like the offers. Some not. That's how it works. If you don't want it, don't buy it. As simple as that.
Exactly. Each train sim developer has their own business model. Run 8 for example sells routes (other than those with the initial install) without any locomotives or rolling stock. All has to be purchased separately. The version changes are less frequent but when V3 came out there was no loyalty discount for previous V2 owners. And to my knowledge Run 8 have never had a sale on their items, unlike DTG where after 6 months you will almost certainly get 40% off on PC/Steam at least and occasionally even bigger discounts such as the completion packs or the magnificent Humble Bundle deal. So if you want to join in the TSW party, like it or not you have to accept their commercial system is what it is.
So what is it: The routes cost nothing or the core update costs nothing? And again: Seeing this pattern now I will not bet on any future bundles anymore. So yes you are right! I have to buy things I don't want now in order to buy your new route in the future ... or even the train for Munich I really want. So thank you very much DTG I guess? Come on!
I bought TSW3 about a month ago. Got my fingers burnt there now I realise its never going to see any fixes. Will I buy TSW4? No because none of the three routes appeal. Will I buy it if I see a route that appeals? No because I just did that with TSW 3 and its now obsolete. There comes a point where its just not fun anymore shelling out for the same abandonware. Do I feel I should feed this frustration back to the seller? Absolutely. Will some random person jump in and fly high cover for the seller's business model? Nearly certain to. Will that change how I feel about having shelled out for abandonware? Nope. Is this a pointless conversation? Yup. Shall I stop typing now and go outside? Definitely.
Well it isn't actually clear is it? Last year the BCC route was sold for 24.99 or 29.99 with the training centre, so theoretically the TSW3 core costs £5. TSW4 core? Who knows. I would also be interested in only the TSW4 core, and I also really don't see why you have to buy a bundle to continue to receive updates to existing content. I think a lot of people have a problem with that model per se, but it is masked by the fact that most of these people like something in the TSW4 routes which means they would buy it for the routes/locos anyway, even if it was a continuation of TSW3, hence it makes no difference to them. I see a lot of the people who are complaining making clear they aren't interested in any of the TSW4 routes, so its really this sub-set of people that are getting caught.
For me it's great actually. I've started with TSW2 and I had such a long backlog of TSW1 & 2 routes I wanted to buy and drive I don't know if I would ever achieve that with the new stuff coming constantly. Now, as DTG is not implementing any content from TSW1 & 2 I have just deleted those routes from my wish list and I that part of TSW is closed for me, I'm only looking forward for the latest stuff, filled with the latest improvements. I know I might be missing some great routes there, but I'm sure there are some great routes coming, so why bother. I don't have and definitely will not have enough time to drive all of them anyway, so - again - why bother with obsolete DLCs missing more and more improvements coming with new TSWs annual releases. It's quite simple: don't trust DTG. Decide if you want to buy any DLC judging by the state it is at the moment you consider it to buy, not judging by the promises what it might be in the future. You are not a new user, you are present on this forum since some time now so you know that after every DLC release there's a bunch of topics pointing out bugs and issues of it. So wait, check the feedback from day one users, then wait for patch, verify what's been fixed and then evaluate if at that moment remaining not fixed stuff bother you or not, as usually after one patch any DLC is not receiving more nowdays. I'm not asking this question directly to you Maik, as you are 3rd party developer, but DTG Matt maybe you could please answer, if possible: Why there is no TSW4 with just Training Center (Centre) available for purchase in the price of TSW4 regional bundles? I know, from some customers point of view it might be strange to charge the same for bare TSW4 core + training center as for the same with one route, but maybe there would be a some, who would be eager to buy it (like krenz.christoph here if I'm understanding his intention correctly). So if there is demand on the market - I can't evaluate how strong of course - why not to fill it?
So then why did you start the thread by asking “why should I buy it?” Because you wanted to quarrel with people who gave you perfectly reasonable answers? No point in coming here to ask the question if you’re going to be completely closed off to all answers.
Right, my point exactly. That might work on your personal blog, but forum is a place for discussion, and you’re admitting you didn’t want any, by telling us your question was rhetorical. You’re not looking for reasonable answers, you’re looking to troll. Now thanks for clarifying.
You are contradicting yourself. It is only good for TSW4 routes. If you want to continue playing existing routes, play them with one of the existing titles, which I assume you already own.
Well, reading your other posts in this thread, your initial question does not seem to be rhetorical, since you chose to elaborate on it yourself. Maybe just trolling?
Okay, more precise: I! Don't! Want! The! Routes! From! The! Latest! Offering! - Fine? Second: I want the core-updates and the updates for the existing routes, which will only be provided with TSW4 from now on ... It seems you still haven't comprehended this aspect. For example Dresden Riesa wich will get the TSW4 features. But there are still a lot of things that should be fixed (does Spirit of steam ring a bell), that will only come, if they come, with TSW4. And btw: if TSW4 Core costs 30 Euro ... fine! Shut up and take my money.
I think I have the answer to my question about why there is not TSW4 core + Training Center (TC) only in the price of TSW4 regional bundles: Well, if, as Maik said, TSW4 core with TC would have the price of TSW4 regional bundle - then there is no point of creating such: you can simply buy regional bundle and do not download the route. Unless TSW4 core with TC would be much cheaper than regional bundles then it would make sense to sell it individually.
That's not even a valid argument. I can nip into my local 'The Works' store and pick up 3 books for £5. If each book takes, say, 12 hours to read then that's 36 hours worth of entertainment for my investment. Alternatively, I purchased Transport Fever 2 for £28.99 (brand new, day 1 physical copy) and thus far have racked up over 400 hours play time. To get anything near the equivalent time spent from the above in TSW there's a very high likelihood that I (and maybe *most*) would have to spend an awful lot more than just £40 on the base game, so let's not overlook the fact that this game can also be considerably more expensive on a £/hour basis if you look at the bigger picture instead of cherry picking the more favourable circumstances.
You can nip into your local public library and pick up your three books for nothing. Apples-to-cinderblocks comparisons are not very useful.
It's the reason I stopped tuning in to DTG's livestream and videos. They blah blah a lot, but you never know what is truth and what is lie so no point in wasting my time.
