Just for information, the third parties will create the content (route, loco, etc) for PC and it's DTG that then ports it for consoles. So ATS don't need to be creating for consoles in order to create TSW content.
I feel like it would have to include Largs and Ardrossan as well for the full "Ayrshire coast" experience, combine that with a well made 380 and you have an amazing route
Alan said it himself on one of his streams "The route will use stuff that's already in the game. Take that whatever way you want". Then he chuckled mischievously at all the guesses in the chat.I think someone asked if the ATS route would have new traction with it. Whether that's rolling stock that was in the game when he said it about a month ago or includes stuff that's coming out, I don't know.
I mean, that could also mean that he's just reusing some stuff as well as having new stock (like JT did on Blackpool with the 47) - one doesn't necessarily preclude the other.
I mean, could also be a route that uses a current train, but in a different format (387 with the panto rather than 3rd rail pickup?)
That could mean anything. He probably means like it'll reuse Birmingham New Street as a station because that's already in the game. Or Manchester Piccadilly or something. I doubt they'll be reusing whole trains. Maybe he's making another section of the ECML with a voyager. Newcastle - Edinburgh with XC voyager???
As a scenario creator all I ask is that any new route has a start and end point that is accepted by the profanity filter.
No, it was pretty clear within the context of the conversation on the night, they're building a route and using existing traction that's already in the game. They've only recently starting producing traction for TSC so I am sure they will do likewise in TSW one day and knowing Alan, it'll either be a Stadler Flirt, a Deltic or a AC slamdoor unit. Aside from his love of Class 60s we generally overlap on what we like railway-wise.
I guess we can speculate what it won't be... Anything GW due to licensing issues. Unlikely to be anything using the HST (unless reskinned) or the Class 166 which has always been exclusive to (F)GW. Can't really see it being anything Southern/third rail as that doesn't fit in with the ATS paradigm (though not necessarily ruled out). Probably not something with classic diesels or DMU's. They would have to agree/work with Rivet and/or Skyhook to use any of their fleet resources (142, 150, 158). That is narrowing things down quite a bit. Leaves us the following possibilities: LT/LUL 1972 Stock - seems unlikely and the only line these could realistically be used on is the Northern Line in an earlier era. Class 313 - Again seems unlikely to be something like the North London Line, WAGN or southern ECML (Moorgate). Class 314 - Possibility of another Glasgow suburban route. Class 323 - Another route around Birmingham or Manchester but would seem a bit odd as a standalone abutting on existing routes. Class 700 - Southern section of the MML or ECML. Class 801 - A northern section of the ECM. Class 66 - A predominantly freight only route but seems unlikely.
I would lean towards the sprinters or 801. I suppose it depends on what exactly is meant by “existing” will they touch the rolling stock at all or just use it as it’s currently implemented (ToC & configuration).
The possibility of the Inverclyde, Paisley Canal, Argyle and North Clyde could be good. Set in the period where the 385 starts to take over too. Especially if the supposed rumor of the potential Rivet 380 Leaves space for a 318/320/334 add on. Also not including the rumored 156 and the 321 that's in the works, which could work for a ATS favourite route.
I don’t disagree, but there is more than a handful of trains I wouldn’t mind seeing used more, especially in a primary role. More often than not, the better the train, the shorter the route - seeing a good train bundled with a decent length route with more time invested in the route itself wouldn’t be a bad thing IMO. It will come down to weather existing means as it truly exists already, or with a livery/config change.
I'm convinced it'll be Cambridge to either Kings Lynn or Peterborough in the early Network South East era with NSE Class 47 and Mk2 rake and a Class 101 in BR blue/grey livery. A few workings from the Class 31 which was a common loco in the area at the time. Could be focused on March Traction Depot too which was a crucial hub for cross country freight locos. BR era Wherry Lines is another possibility but I think it would have to be 101s and 31/37/47 on the cross-country, holiday express trains. Or how about Euston to Watford Junction, short, half made, uses 710/TS 72? I'd love it to be ECML South with 313s, 387s, 700s, 800s and HSTs but I think a project that large would be madness as your first attempt at building a route in TSW.
I suppose there is a possibility they did do a deal with JT and or Skyhook and we will get Lancaster to Skipton with a 142 and 158 or maybe Lancaster to Barrow, which you could do with a 142 plus the 31 and 47 dragging the ubiquitous Mark Two stock.
I would love modern DON - NCL with the 801. Also gives the opportunity for a TPE variant as this is DFT OLR too. A PS4 merge with the PBO to DON would be great too.
I doubt Lancaster - Skipton would be made, there's only one train every two hours so the timetable would be very sparse.
Yep, you're probably right but maybe Lancaster to Barrow certainly a possibility with some sub licencing. If they licenced and improved the 150/2 from Rivet that could open up all sorts of possibilities too. Even a glimmer of part of the North Wales Coast, perhaps.
Maybe they could do a section of the North Wales Coast Line with the 150 & 158 at launch and the supposedly leaked 221 could be a dlc train for this route.
I think the gaps will start to fill up this year. Wales, most of the South West, East Anglia, Scotland north and south of the central belt. The last couple of years have been seen a lot of releases in the London Midland Region based, before that Southern got a few. Time to widen their horizons. We'll ignore the fact that GOBLIN is an LMS/LMR Route though Stratford Depot did provide Cravens DMUs for a while.
I think that routes will be made based on how well they will sell, and sadly some areas of the country will not be as appealing as others. It’ll be interesting to see how this all pans out, but my sneaking suspicion is that ATS will build a route that is within their current arsenal on TSC, and very well done they’ve been made too. This makes sense as source material is already in place.
Potentially another section of the ECML? Their merge was excellent and Leeds Lines was also great. Would utilise existing stock.
Yes, Chat Moss but would have to be up to about 2000. Kings Cross to Peterborough pre Class 707. Cambridge to Peterborough or Kings Lynn (pre KL electrification though) Norwich to Sheringham - In development for TSC would have to be either BR era or Anglia Railways when they had 150s. GEML North of Colchester but pre-electrification also in development for TSC. Bristol to Birmingham pre Voyager days. Ipswich to Peterborough - also in development for TSC, BR era only South Wales mainline BR era.
KGX to PBO would be good. I keep saying it would be good if dtg could have a PS4 merge for the ECML routes if there are sections that are next to each other - is this theoretically possible? I know it was done by a third party for PC in TSC
I bet it could be done without stitching the lines together. When you arrive at Peterborough the menu screen comes up and an option is "Continue journey", you click yes and it loads up the second route. It may break immersion on trains that don't stop there but it would at least be a quicker way to merge routes if UE4 can't cope with long routes. Timetables would have to tally-up both ways though.
Tsc and tsw are different in how it works. In tsw, you have to deal with timetables from merging. So 2 routes would need 3 separate timetables. 3 requires like 6 separate timetables to maintain. You don't have to worry about all that in tsc
Why not have it as a 'go-via', which triggers the same thing? That way, the service doesn't stop, but just has a set transition. I guess the only issue is if one route years don't line up.
you could possibly do it in 1 (2 if you count parts for a single join) 1 full one and a cut down version what stops at a certain point if there’s no 2 routes. It has potential this way for more than one join as all it would need is cut offs wherever a route starts and ends. Longer Timetable but less timetables. you can do it in 3 but definitely a more time consuming and probably overly simplified way.
Another vote here for the Fenchurch Street line (London, Tilbury & Southend) either present day or set in the 1950s with Fairburn tanks and Black 5’s operating. I’ve also seen photographs of 9Fs working the line. At present a modern day version of the line would be more practical perhaps, as a few others have pointed out this line has been criminally ignored in the past by every train simulator and I struggle to understand why in terms of operational interest with heavy passenger commuter traffic into London and workings to and from London Gateway port (present day, Class 66, containers). I believe there are still some workings from Tilbury Docks, setting the period to the 50s would bring the loop into and around the dock site into play. Set the period to the 1950s and Tilbury Riverside Station would be included with boat trains to and from Fenchurch Street, excursion trips from London to Southend on Sea, plus at that time there was a lot of industry with private sidings all along the line. In the 1950s the site that is now London Gateway port contained two oil refineries which would also allow for some interesting scenarios. Sadly, I don’t think it will be the LTS but we can only live in hope !
Agree with your points made and hoping this route is at last getting noted to DTG or Just Trains etc. There is a new rail terminal at Tilbury 2 adding increased freight workings along with the line to London Gateway that was recently double tracked due to increased freight workings. a Network Southeast era route could still include Tilbury Riverside, open until 1993 I think, and the rundown nature of this station in the industrial wastelands of Thurrock could make for some great scenery potential with such contrasts across the route.
Many revisions ago in TSC, they had a feature where you could chain scenarios together so when the first in the chain finished it automatically started the next scenario and so on. Unfortunately, it wasn’t without it problems and the feature was removed. That feature was so far in the past, I can’t recall the exact problems, but I expect it was not the most reliable feature. One of the commercial scenario developers I used to beta test for on TSC would make a chain of scenarios to cover a complex run, but it was up to the player to run them in order. All in all not a bad solution , allowed for some long and involved runs but broken into reasonable sections for the time commitment and over came the problems with the save function in TSC.
Yes, you can still see the chained scenario GUID fields in the scenario editor. But it's best to let the player decide how he wants to play this, especially when it's a simulator not an arcade game. They quickly understood that players don't want to unlock things but have instant access to what they paid for.
? I don’t think that was the uproar over the feature. It was because it didn’t work consistently, I do remember that many were a bit upset when it was removed.
Ah ok, was before my time. Just my opinion, I wouldn't want scenarios to be locked in a sim, so that would have been my uproar . Especially with the typical DTG issues of non-completable scenarios.
I believe this feature still works, unless I'm getting confused with something else. I do know that relay scenarios definitely don't work, although they can be converted to normal career scenarios if you want to play them.
Would be amazing to have it set in the late 2010s/early 2020s with the 91 and maybe the 800, Would be a great way to add in the 91 as well
If I recall corectly - you could run the scenarios in any order you wanted - just when you finished, it would start the next in the chain. I don't recall any more than two or three scenarios in a chain. I agree that having the chain locked would not be a good feature.
That was originally intended on Horseshoe Curve, I think the DLC description still talks about unlockable scenarios iirc HSC store page: Sorry for taking this off-topic.
I went back and checked - Hosreshoe did have career scenarios that were number 1 - 7 and they built along a story line - but I can't recall them forcing you to complete them in order. Mine are all marked as completed - the story was a continuim through the scenarios of going through training and familiarization of the locomotives and the route with each scenario being (supposedly) more complex with you the driver progressing with the experience - I remember I enjoyed the theme but for the life of me can't recall if you HAD to follow the sequence or not - just the story progressed in a more logical manner. Of course it was a few years ago and I am at the point I can't remember what I had for breaksfast last Wendesday let alone if you had a forced progression or not. I do remember I enjoyed those scenarios since they presented as a progression rather than stand alone events.
One of them is rumoured to be gospel oak to barking (not sure if that's london overground or which line), no clue about the other one, personally I'd like to see either a route running out of new street or perhaps a Welsh DMU route.
Brighton station would have been a good place to have a crack on this. Even if it was just a marker one could move onto to load the timetable to the adjacent Brighton route. Similar to the Scenario Markers.
