Train Sim World®: Danish Routes

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  1. Mika L.

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    Train Sim World®: Danish Routes

    We've had a lot of different routes for Train Simulator, and the release of various routes for Train Sim World is going fast, so I thought I would share my suggestion/proposal for a new route for Train Sim World. We're a lot of train simulator fans from Denmark, some of us is registered on www.railworks.dk, which is a danish fansite/community where we discuss and share mods for train simulator and even for other games too. As mentioned, we've had a lot of different routes, but one type of route we've never had, yet (hopefully), is a danish route.

    A few developers in the community of Railworks.dk have even developed the whole danish railway network as well as a beta version of the DSB IC3 train for Train Simulator since Dovetail Games havent yet released a route for the danish train sim fans. The route and the train itself is not professionally made, so therefore there's some bugs on the route and the train itself, so it's not perfect, but what we would like to see is a danish route and train for Train Sim World, as that game is looking quite realistic and amazing.

    General information:
    The rail transport system in Denmark consist of 2,633 km of railway lines. Most traffic is passenger trains, although there's considerable transit goods traffic between Sweden and Germany. Engineering and operation of most Danish railway lines is done by Banedanmark, a state-owned company that allocates tracks for train operators. The majority of passenger trains are operated by DSB, with Arriva operating on some lines in Jylland (Jutland). Freight transport is mainly performed by DB Schenker Rail, although other operators, such as Hectorrail, take care of a significant portion of the non-transit traffic.

    Railway lines in Denmark:
    We have a lot of railway lines, even though we're a small country. The main one is the line from Copenhagen (our capital) to Fredericia, which connects the three main danish 'islands', Jylland (EN: Jutland), Fyn (EN: Fun) and Sjælland (EN: Zealand). Jylland is not an island though, as it connects with Germany and the rest of Europe.

    You can read more about our railway lines in Denmark here.

    Trains in Denmark:
    So, we've some rather interesting looking trains in Denmark. Two of them, which is quite well-known from other countries, is our IC3 and IR4 trains, nicknamed 'The Rubber Nose' from other countries because of it's bizarre look at the front.

    IC3 & IR4:
    These two train types is the most common train sets there is being operated in Denmark. These are the two trains that's nicknamed 'Rubber Nose' as they have rubber diapragms on the front of the trains that connects them together. The IC3 train was the first model produced by ABB Scandia (now Bombardier), where the IR4 afterwards got produced as an electrical version of the train set as the IC3 is driven by diesel.

    The IC3 model has three carts, as its name says, with 140-177 seats and a maximum speed of 160-180 km/h. There was produced 153 sets, 96 operated by DSB. The rest have been exported to Sweden and Israel.
    The IR4 model has, guess what, four carts, with 233 seats and a maximum speed of 180 km/h. 44 copies of this model have been made and is in use of DSB.

    These two trains and their systems works with up to 5 coupled sets. It can be either five complete IC3 sets, five complete IR4 or mixed up amounts of the IC3 and IR4, as long as it doesnt exceed 5 sets.

    Read more about the IC3 train set here.
    Read more about the IR4 train set here.

    Interior: https://imgur.com/a/yakZJ.

    IC4:
    The IC4 train set is the newest set added to the fleet, built by AnsaldoBreda in Italia and is another diesel driven train set we're operating. The train consist of four carts with 204 seats in each set. Up to three train sets can be coupled together with a total of 612 seats. The trains have been built between 2003-2013, but should already have been put in use from 2003-2006 where they should have replaced the IC3 and IR4 trains, but because of defective brakes and delivery difficulties didn't it goes as planned. In 2007, finally, were four train sets in monitored trial operation.

    Out of 82 ordered train sets are only about 40 in operation.

    Read more about the IC4 train set here.

    Interior: https://imgur.com/a/yakZJ.

    MR/MRD:
    The MR is another old diesel driven train set we're using on a few lines in Denmark produced by Uerdingen & Scandia (now Bombardier). In the period from 2003-2010 were they also used by Arriva on their lines. One set consists of two different carts, MR and MRD. One of the wagons contains the diesel motor. One set has the capacity for 131 passengers. 98 MR-MRD train sets were produced for DSB. The maximum speed is 130 km/h.

    Read more about the MR/MRD here.

    Desiro:
    The Desiro is existing as diesel driven and electrical powered. In Denmark, only the diesel driven train set can be found, mainly on the Odense-Svendborg line.

    Read more about the Desiro here and here.

    ICE-TD:
    DSB had leased 13 ICE-TD train sets from DB (Deutsche Bahn), which were used on the line between Copenhagen-Berlin via Hamburg since December 9th, 2007. Last departure with the ICE-TD from Copenhagen was September 30, 2017. The reason they arent operating anymore is because they were about to undergo a major renovation which neither DSB or DB wanted to pay for.

    Read more about the ICE-TD here.

    ME & EA:
    The DSB ME locomotive is DSB's fourth generation of diesel-electrical locomotives. DSB got 37 produced by BBC (Brown, Boveri & Cie), Thyssen Henschel and Scandia (now Bombardier). Today, 33 is in use. The DSB EA locomotive is the electrical version of the ME model, which got produced when electrification of the danish railway network were happening. 22 EA locomotives got built by BBC (Brown, Boveri & Cie), Siemens, Thyssen Henschel, EB Strømmen and Scandia (now Bombardier). Today, 5 of them is trying to get back in use to support the amount of railway traffic there's needed in Denmark since we havent got all the IC4 in use yet.

    These two locomotives, the ME and the EA is used to push/pull our doubledeckers.

    Read more about the ME here.
    Read more about the EA here.

    DD (Doubledecker):
    The fourth generation of the Bombardier Double-deck Coach is the ones we're using in Denmark. They're matching the ones they have in Germany, which is featured in Train Sim World already (so only the locomotive had to be developed, in order to complete a train set like this). These are either pulled or pushed by our ME or EA locomotives.

    Read more about the doubledeckers here.

    S-Train:
    Our S-Train inside and around the area of Copenhagen is the train used to connect some of our cities like Hillerød, Klampenborg, Frederikssund, Farum, Høje-Taastrup and Køge with our capital, Copenhagen. Our S-Train is just like the German S-Bahn. The S-Track (or S-Line, or whatever you wanna call it, in danish: S-Bane) has 7 lines, A, B, Bx, C, E, F and H. A, B, C and F is operating throughout the whole week, E and H only monday-friday and Bx in the rush hours on the B-line. The traffic is happening with our 104 Litra SA train sets (8 carts) and 31 Litra SE train sets (4 carts).

    Read more about the S-Trains here.

    Øresundstog:
    Our so-called 'Øresundstog' or litra ET, is an electric train set produced by Bombardier. In 2012, 111 models were produced. 75 operated by Skånetrafikken in Sweden, 34 operated by DSB in Denmark, and 2 operated by SJ in Sweden as well. It's called 'Øresundstoget' as it operates from Helsingør in northern Zealand in Denmark over the Øresund bridge to Malmø in Sweden. The train set handles danish traction as well as swedish traction, as well as it has both danish and swedish ATC-system. Each train set consists of three carts with 237 seats and with an maximum speed of 180 km/h.

    Read more about the Øresundstog here.

    My suggestion:
    If a danish route project gets started, then I would suggest to make a route from Østerport (two stations north from Copenhagen Central Station) to Odense, the third biggest danish city. On this route between those two cities, the IC3 and/or the IR4 is operated. Taking one of these InterCity trains from Østerport to Odense, the journey will take you one hour and 30 (irl) minutes through the beautiful country of Denmark, from the busy capital to the country part of Denmark, over The Great Belt bridge and back into the busy city Odense.

    If that would be too long of a journey, you could even use a InterCityLyn (express) instead, with less stops and therefore quicker than the InterCity-departures.

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    On a normal route from Østerport to Odense, the train will stop on the following stations:
    In real life, if you took the journey from Østerport to Odense, you'll see the following trains:
    • IC3 (operating on InterCity, InterCityLyn and regional routes)
    • IR4 (operating on InterCity, InterCityLyn and regional routes)
    • IC4 (operating on InterCity, InterCityLyn and regional routes)
    • ME pulling/pushing doubledeckers (operating on regional routes)
    • ET (operating from northern Zealand to Sweden)
    • S-Train (operating in and around the area of Copenhagen)
    The B-line S-Trains are operating from Høje Taastrup to Farum which run besides the main line from Høje Taastrup all the way to Copenhagen and Østerport, so by developing a route from Østerport to Odense, you could develop the following trains for traffic on the route:
    • IC3 (a must)
    • IR4 (a must)
    • IC4 (maybe)
    • ME with doubledecker wagons (either player controlled or AI only)
    • S-Train (could be used for shorter but more frequent routes, if preferred by the player)
    • Maybe even the Øresundstog (ET) as an AI-only?
    The IC3 and/or IR4 would be the primary train set on the route that has to be used to get all the way to Odense. A single - sometimes double - IR4 train set operates between Østerport and Slagelse every 30 minutes, so with these two types of trains you could already have two types of services, an InterCity service from Østerport to Odense, a regional service from Østerport to Slagelse.
    ME locomotives pulling/pushing doubledecker wagons is operating from Østerport to Kalundborg (disconnecting from the Copenhagen-Odense line at Roskilde) and to Nykøbing F. and Næstved (disconnecting from the Copenhagen-Odense line at Ringsted), so if this locomotive and wagons got developed into the route, they could either be made player-controlled so that you could operate them from Østerport to Roskilde or Ringsted and then they could continue as AI only to Kalundborg, Nykøbing F. or Næstved, or they could be AI only, which reduce the time the developer has to spend on making the locomotive + wagons.
    S-Trains is operating from Høje Taastrup to Farum, so they could be player-controlled from Høje Taastrup to Østerport vice versa, and then they could continue as AI only from Østerport to Farum.

    Danish Television (DR) made a series of episodes called "På Skinner" (On tracks), which were simply one of their camera setups in the cab filming the ride, which could be used for development of the route. But I've just found out, when I was about to link it, that the episodes on their website have expired, so I contacted them incase they have some MP4-files or other videofiles hidden in their database somewhere that I could get, 'cause there's one specific episode produced where it was onboard the InterCity train from Copenhagen to Aarhus in Jutland that could be used for the development of the route to see how the danish landscape looks like. They still have the videos in their database, but in order to get your hands on them, you would have to pay a small fee.



    Sources & Links:
    Rail transport in Denmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Denmark
    Railway lines in Denmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_railway_lines_in_Denmark
    High-speed rail in Denmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Denmark
    History of rail transport in Denmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Denmark
    The Great Belt bridge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Belt_Fixed_Link
    IC3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC3
    IR4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC3#IR4_"InterRegional_4"
    IC4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC4
    MR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSB_class_MR
    Desiro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Desiro, https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiro
    ME: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSB_Class_ME
    EA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSB_Class_EA
    Doubledeckers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Double-deck_Coach
    S-Train: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-train_(Copenhagen)
    Øresundstog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Øresundståg
    DSB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSB_(railway_company)
    DSB (Homepage): https://www.dsb.dk/en/, https://www.dsb.dk/
    DSB (Corporate Management): https://www.dsb.dk/en/about-dsb/dsb-organization/corporate-management/
    Banedanmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banedanmark
    Banedanmark (Homepage): https://uk.banedanmark.dk/, https://www.bane.dk/


    In case I've missed out on something, I'll update this post.
     
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  2. QO1922

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    I think that could be interesting the route from København to Lünd.
     
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  3. Mika L.

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    True.
     
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    I put forward Fredericia to Padborg, so i think that if they just bridge the gap between Fredericia and Odence, they could easily have these routes and it would be great to play on :D
     
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  5. maltejensen44

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    I love the Danish trains. I would be so happy if something Danish for the TSW comes, but unfortunately it does not matter what the community wants
     
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    This idea is amazing, but I didn't see if there was something about local train(s) (Alstom Cordia Lint 41 train) in Sjælland and Lolland-Falster (https://www.lokaltog.dk/kunde/koereplaner/) for an example the short Jægersborg-Nærum could be fun, but if you did talk about them/the train, then i might get my eyes checked :)
     
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  7. Raffomatiko

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    Yeah! It would be very nice to have a Danish route in TSW. I would love it, hope they making one soon.
     
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    jeg hope this would be true.. Come on Dovetail - please make this happend
     
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    This i a really good idea.
    But Can you also add some danish Trains and routes to Train simulator 2020
     
  10. LastTrainToClarksville

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    Sounds interesting, but how many kilometers of track would be involved and would there be freight as well as passenger traffic? Your suggestion is certainly much more plausible than making all of the U.S. and Europe as suggested in another section of these forums (rather than here, where it belongs).
     
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  11. NiWaTho

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    Freight Trains runs daily between Sweden and Germany. Also between Höje Taastrup and Fredericia runs The local Beer train with Carlsberg and Tuborg.
    https://www.jernbanen.dk/forum/images/uploaded/2014070317510853b5980cdd28b.jpg
     
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  12. LT586

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    Firstly a great presentation; and from what I gather, they look at the wider community rather than the fans, sad but true. As the attention span for many non enthusiasts is zilch, the console lot who complete levels and sell it to CEX for a penny and its resold and triple the price. A danish route would be a welcome as it will bring something we’ve not had to the table but it needs to bring next stop announcements as I’ve learnt German just by playing OMSI 2 and other languages, due to announcements. So there’s a lot of peripheral reasons too.
     
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  13. pvtchsoundsstudio

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    What about the old DSB Ml 4901?
     
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  14. fanta1682002

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    Very nice route
     
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  15. Deimenried

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    This sounds like it fits the bill. Interesting trains with varied and uniquely scenic routes.
    I would love to see this come to TSW!
     
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  16. Lord Snabel

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    Yeah, It would be really cool to see a Danish Route :cool:
     
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  17. flystentz

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    This would be a great route in TSW
    I think the iconic IC3/IC4 train with the rubber nose would be a great train for all train fans to get together with a new country for the game

    I would maybe even like to see a route from Aarhus to Herning wich is 2 big cities with some beatiful landscape around Silkeborg in between, with the Arriva Lint 41 train
     
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  18. EmilJorgensen

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    Hi

    As a Dane and avid train enthusiast - i can only join the chorus here with: Please consider adding a Danish route (the Danish system) to Train Sim World 2. I well understand the technical limitations with adding a new country in the mix - setting up new signaling - catenary systems and everything, so i know the chances are slim, but boy would it be a great experience!

    To simplify a bit, maybe you could start with a simpler route (personally i would suggest the "Kystbane", from Copenhagen to Elsinore, as this is mostly a dual track section where one train type (for now) runs, but also has some S-bane and local rail services close to that could be considered. Thereby we could get the signaling and local stuff in place, and lay the foundation for more routes in the future.

    In the future, the "Kystbane" will be run with Vectrons push-pulling Bombardier Bi-Levels, so the work regarding production of trains could be minimal. The bi-levels could be repainted in DSB colors, and the Vectrons (produced by my employer - all glory to Siemens Mobility) would be a great addition to the game, as more than a thousand of these run on rails in the world at the moment, so it would please many a train enthusiast. It would not be the "Kystbane" as it is currently, but in the very near future.

    I am personally working as project manager and engineer in the CBTC signaling program (on the S-Bane), so i have access to a lot of Danish rail resources and contacts. I cannot tell if Banedanmark or DSB (the owners and operators of most of Danish rail) have strict opinions regarding licensing, but i would not expect this as it has been possible for the people mentioned in the primary presentation to create what they have created. In addition model railways have plenty of Danish trains with sounds and everything, that i expect have been licensed.

    The database of rail owned by Banedanmark is publicly available ( BaneGISX (arcgis.com) ), here most detail of track layout can be seen.

    In addition, BDK (Banedanmark) uses in-cab video plenty, and there have even been productions for public television of end-to-end cab-rides, so a lot of material is available. BDK is also starting to work on BIM modelling, where full 3D digital modelling of their railway will be produced.

    Lastly for anyone else reading this, i just want to brag about my ICE3 repaint inspired by the ICE-TD sets that briefly ran in DSB colors.

    God dag til alle! :) IMG_2538.JPG IMG_2539.JPG
     
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    grammar
     
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    btw Danish routes will be cool but its not gonna happen due to Denmark has a low population and not many rail fans
     
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    Jeg is I in danish
     
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    I think the journey from Copenhagen to Esbjerg is legendary.
    First, it spans the Danish diameter.
     
  23. NiWaTho

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    Maybe the line from Copenhagen to Odense is to big, how about starting with Fredericia to Struer. there are limited trains (IC3 and Lint41, now Desiro) going in that direction and it is not that long compared to Copenhagen - Odense.
     
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    What about a route that includes putting trains on and off the train ferries?
     
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    You mean Puttgarden Felmharn Belt Ferry or the Gedeser Rostock Ferry both have trains. Puttgarden Felmharn Ferry makes more sense because it's basically the northern extension of Hamburg Lübeck Hanseatic Main Line. What will happen to Hamburg Lubeck if Dovetail games decided to do the entire Puttgarden Felmharn Belt Rødby Copenhagen Railway is that DSB trains will appear as AI Services. The only way you need to drive DSB trains on Hamburg Lübeck is owning Puttgarden-Rødby-Copenhagen Felmharn Ferry and Railway Line.
     
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    Excellent idea and I wonder how does the Danish Railway signaling work? Otherwise players will start to treat it like UK AWS TPWS DSD North America Alerter ATC Germany PZB LZB Sifa and lastly France United Kingdom high speed 1 TVM-430 KVB.
     
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    I did the Puttgarden train ferry several times, great fun little shunter pushing and pulling the coaches on and off the vehicle deck! I also did the Helsingor to Helsingborg one a few times on through trains from Copenhagen to Oslo and Stockholm and vv, when it was operational. That was a much shorter crossing and of course long replaced by the fixed link.
     
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    Absolutely agree with you on that one and speaking of the Felmharn Tunnel Lübeck Puttgarden Copenhagen line if added to the game. The message to the player saying in order to continue to Journey change voltage to 25kv 50hz Copenhagen bound but if Lübeck Hamburg bound in order to continue to Journey change to 15 Kv voltage. Reason for this Denmark 25kv 50hz to Germany Sweden 15kv 16.7hz.
     
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    Just to keep the suggestion going here is another comment.
     
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