Train Sim World 2 - Roadmap Update 25/01/2022

Many firms in the real world take into account losses that are un-foreseen all the time no?

I agree with you fixing these preserved routes generates no money, directly that is. But then you have players that have stopped buying any DLC until the fixes are released. I haven't touched TSW2 for months because I'm waiting for the GWE stuff, once it gets released then I will look at other DLC. There are many different reasons how it can affect DTG's profits. You also have players that have turned their backs on TSW2 altogether and have gone to TS1 or Run8 ETC they can all add up no?

What about new customers who fancy a preserved route but hold on buying until the route is updated. There is a saying 'you have to spend money to make money'

And here you are getting bored, again.

 

All I am doing is relaying what people who do know (primarily the Executive Producer) have said on streams or in these forums. Based on what The Man Matt P himself has said (augmented by Sam and Nat), this is how TSW's dev cycle works. It naturally makes perfect sense from a business perspective.

 

Agreed. And how about someone, maybe on console, who wants to try out the game, buys the " Rush Hour " or deluxe starter, finds it buggy or has crashes etc.. Will that person buy additional and new routes? And will he or she recommend the game to their friends? There's sales and revenue impact right there.
That's why it's so essential to think of fixing existing dlc along with producing new products and features as part and parcel of the same process.

 

You also need to factor in people will recommend the good after updates. Only got to see that on facebook

 

Naturally upgrades and bugfixes mean revenue. If they didn't Adam's crew wouldn't exist. DTG definitely spend money on those things. The question which might arise is whether they spend enough money, but to answer that first one has to answer the question how much money bugfixes and upgrades are worth in terms of revenue- and that figure is I think highly indeterminate.

 

Fair enough, although I don't myself rely much any more on the streams for information about what's going on in terms of planning and production. I don't, for a moment, doubt the sincerity of those presenters, but I think there's a lot of opaqueness and PR mixed in with the discussions and I often think they avoid some of the hard questions. Maybe I'm overly cynical but I prefer " seeing is believing. " when it comes to what's in the pipeline. I mean they're a commercial company. I think the information is carefully prepared. Oh, and I do think that there are many more than just two projects being worked on in parallel.

 

I agree- for a given definition of "worked on." Like "production," it's susceptible of broader or narrower interpretations. It is certainly the case, for example, that working out the Simugraph model for steam engines has been going on for quite a while, in parallel with the DLCs of the last several months. Does that mean Liverpool was "in production?" Not, I think, in the sense Matt meant when he said only one route (or two, just lately) were "in production" at a time. Certainly it's the case that one must use variable definitions if we are to square that model with the statement that a route takes 6 months or more to "develop", since they are released roughly every two months.

However, one thing which I think we can take Matt (and Nat, in her most recent stream) at their word on is that future routes are selected in batches on an annual basis, and that selection process takes place early in the calendar year, in late Jan-early Feb and in time for the start of the fiscal year on April 1.

 

So when were Harlem and Liverpool- Crewe selected? Surely some time in late 2021. Or last Jan/Feb?

 

Harlem, yes, I think last Jan/Feb, along with everything else. Liverpool maybe, but I get the feeling that as the first steam route it may have been a special thing off to itself- especially since it would be the seventh, not sixth, route of the cycle.

 

Actually the post-update was somewhere in December when they mention it.

 

The upgrades we are talking about here are mainly for TSW2020 routes that were the original preserved collection that haven’t yet been released due to the QA backlog/bottleneck. The general state of bug fixing is another matter which relates to DTG’s ongoing issue of having broken bits across all their DLC. Of course until the work already done is tested and gets released there won’t be anything done to the TSW2 routes but we are told that Rush Hour routes are still the responsibility of the main teams and haven’t even been passed to Adam yet. The fixing of bugs found when routes are released is another ongoing area that DTG should improve but isn’t related to what I believe is being talked about here, which is Adam’s legacy work.

If we are to talk about fixes to routes released in the last year in addition to the ones waiting to be tested and released then the situation is even more depressing. Initially it may have been thought that Adam would be creeping up on routes and eventually catch up to doing fixes on recently released content. That was the impression I got when he started out on his updating and fixing quest. That hasn’t happened, and he is further behind than when he started through no fault of his own. We are all in agreement that big improvements are needed to get more fixes done and released.

 

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And here you are getting bored, again.[/QUOTE]

With the same old arguments and the same postulations of doom all over again, yes I get bored ….

 

Well I’m interested to see what the next road map yields now following all this

 

One part of me is thinking we might finally see a couple of those long completed pres updates being released, however another part of me is thinking absolutely nothing will change. I’m more leaning to the latter, given how things are going.

 

I think there's an evident increase in forum reaction to the delay of them now so I dare say there's been some screws getting tighter on quality teams to sign off and a slot be located in the very near future. I think it will be probably be covering two to three routes in one hit

 

I just realised something I should have long ago, and now I feel rather daft: since the QA team are company-wide across all franchises, it means Matt P isn't their boss... and therefore cannot simply order them "Thou Shalt Get Adam's Stuff Done Now."

 

With the same old arguments and the same postulations of doom all over again, yes I get bored ….[/QUOTE]

As boring as being told the preserved fixes/updates are finished and not released, that is 'boring' as you keep saying. If the fixes were to be released then there would be a lot more happier people on the forum. Just out of curiosity why do you spend so much time posting that you are 'bored'. go and do something that interests you. Basket weaving? There is a suggestion.

 

I believe it might be fixing the brand new routes that they start to release such as The Rush hour routes-Bakeroo Line, London Victoria, Kolhn Alchen, and other german routes such as the ICE, and ESPECIALLY THE AMTRAK ROUTE and the brand new Chemnitz route and all the other route that was released in 2021, which still has problems with FPS Drop and Lag, and Stuttering, red signal so that it's up to standard like the preserve collection.

 

The problem is that the newer routes simply have a Lot More Stuff going on in them than the older PC routes do.

 

Still, I believe that the team is going to move right on to fixing problems in the newer route as well, or else we as a player going to complain again. Because currently I have been getting FPS Drop in some of the newer routes, especially the Amtrak-Boston to Providence, without any problem, and I am sure that the community wants the newer route to also be fixed as well.

 

As boring as being told the preserved fixes/updates are finished and not released, that is 'boring' as you keep saying. If the fixes were to be released then there would be a lot more happier people on the forum. Just out of curiosity why do you spend so much time posting that you are 'bored'. go and do something that interests you. Basket weaving? There is a suggestion.[/QUOTE]

- Here is a suggestion - why don’t you not worry about my boredom and not suggest I go elsewhere - If my comments are not in agreement with yours - you can ignore them. My statements that the most arguments are the same over and over again are germane. But hey - it is your right to keep repeating the same - have fun with it

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Oh, I see we are into the mature responses now - Here is a suggestion - why don’t you not worry about my boredom and not suggest I go elsewhere - If my comments are not in agreement with yours - you can ignore them. My statements that the most arguments are the same over and over again are germane. But hey - it is your right to keep repeating the same - have fun with it

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I'm having a ball with your comments, they crack me up. I have no problem with 'disagreements' healthy debates used to make the world go round, it would be nice if you actually joined in one for a change. But please keep the comments coming...............

 

I hope they’ll include the Hsp46 locomotive with the bilevel coach’s in a future Dlc for the Boston sprinter route someday soon.

 

Was over the moon when I heard another Swiss route was on the agenda. Then my feelings of joy turned to disappointment when I heard Rivet Games were producing it. Their track record when it comes to route building is poor and West Cornwall Local is only about 60% finished. There is still a lot of work to do to get WCL looking right, that I will not buy their Swiss route until there is a 40% reduction and if at all. WCL is now selling at 40% off and truthful it is not worth paying more than £10 for imo.

 

I continue to refuse to buy anything Rivet make - even if heavily discounted. If they can’t be bothered putting the required effort into the route, I can’t be bothered playing it.

 

Yes, he’s moved up in the chain but is he not the almighty leader we sometimes like to imagine he is. I hate to think that TSW updates are being delayed because of an ongoing challenge to get a troublesome fish through QA but you never know, it could be the case.

 

Actually, as someone who has played quite a bit of Train Simulator, Rivet's track record is actually exceptually well, with many high quality TS DLC that far surpassed the quality of anything DTG ever produced for Train Simulator.

Rivet's TSW products are of lower standard, yes, but I think that's rather an exception to their overall track record.

 

Rivet's DLC aren't always great, same as their fixing etc. But they are getting better slowly, WCL was not too bad scenery wise. Deff looking forward to the routes ngl!

 

WCL looks nothing like it does in real life. The only thing they did was add unrealistic amounts of trees adjacent to the track so that you have a very limited field of view, to hide the lack of surrounding scenery. It’s a very poorly made route, unless you have no idea as to what it looks like in real life.

 

This applies to all routes. I don't know any route where someone hasn't said something's missing or the wrong colour or shape... From fences missing, level crossing barriers missing and bridges the wrong shape, size, material, color...

 

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with that. All of their works (Br 204, IoW, Arosa, WCL, 38 Stock) suffer from severe physics issues or inaccuracies. I don't like to bring it up since there's enough bashing already, but there seems to be a significant lack of learning on Rivet's part as far as physics are concerned.

 

Some things are quite pedantic, however missing fences and level crossing barriers, for example, is a big thing here in the UK. You just wouldn’t find this in real life here due to how strict we are with safety and security.

 

How about a 100 year old wrought iron bridge right next to a busy level crossing that everyone in the town would know about?
Some things may well be "pedantic", but to others that makes the locality known
Personally I would say anything within 20 yards of the track ought to be as authentic as possible, with varying degrees as you get further away, but then I saw comments on West Cornwall where people wanted every hotel on the seafront, a castle 3 miles from the route and so on all faithfully represented. Pedantic to us, real for those who know those items in real life and "it's just not real without"

 

I would say a certain distance from the track it has to some what authentic but also the trains themselves. I was well up for the 38 stock but a bit disappointed with the interior. I hope that mods can step in and rectify this.

 

So no patch this week. With the amount of bugs you have you probably should be releasing one every week, especially when there is no new DLC being released.

But that would be logical, so why do it.

The whole bottleneck in QC the has been said too often and too long to be a valid answer anymore. It's been said since July and if you can't fix your operations in 6 months then I believe new management is required because obviously who you have in place is not doing their job.

Like how do you explain the pzb issue on RT that you broke with an update almost 4 months ago. And even been told a fix is ready 2 weeks later. And it still hasn't been released.

 

I have to agree on this one.

Somebody mentioned dtg has lost control over the code. I guess he was right.

 

[QUOTE="Like how do you explain the pzb issue on RT that you broke with an update almost 4 months ago. And even been told a fix is ready 2 weeks later. And it still hasn't been released.[/QUOTE]

And don't forget the LIRR M3 Alerter that was broken around the same time, when they released the LIRR update

 

I assume we’ll get some sort of patch/update next week?

Just push it out, DTG. Sod the download size limit, otherwise we’ll never get anywhere closer to resolving the bottleneck!

 

Look at the news on the TSW2 DTG site, they added a TS article. They lost control not just over the code but the site as well. Honestly lost faith in this game after 300+ hours.

 

Always find it strange that when you click "Hobbies" at the top of these forums, the image is still TSW 2020, which has never been updated to a newer image

 

Don't worry. Xbox achievements still are displayed as gained in TSW2021 and the BR 204 is advertised with a screenshot out of TS instead of TSW in the ingame store...
(haven't checked the last one for a while but it would surprise me if that has been substituted in the meantime)

 

They also stated they wanted to release updates in little chunks but still waiting for anything on the preserved routes. How are you going to relieve the bottleneck if you do start releasing anything?

I understand they need testing but you aren't going to convince me there isn't nothing you can release. Why not release all the RD updates in one go for the remaining Loco's. It won't affect anything else and if there is a problem then people will say so. IMO DTG are not looking 'professional' over this. Even Adam and his team are frustrated.

If this delay is down to the bean counters then perhaps they should be made aware at how many people are miffed at DTG and stopped buying any DLC. There is two routes I see on sale that I was going to get, Cathcart + Cornwall, but until I see the fixes I won't buy anything now.

 

This is what they just announce on their webpage, with still no fixes, patches or any update at all.
https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...le/tsw2-freestyle-livery-designer-competition

 

Of course there’s no fixes announced in a livery competition. That would be daft.

 

I don't see anything of the sort. It might be old browser cache on your computer.

Cheers

 

I'm guessing but I think his point is that the big announcement is about painting trains rather than fixing routes and locos, a sentiment I would tend to agree with.

Bread and circuses is the phrase that comes to mind.

 

Just watched the stream for this update and it was painful listening! Please get the audio issues sorted for the next roadmap stream, there were many comments about the difference in volume and not once was this acknowledged! This is not the first time there's been volume issues and it's just been ignored, whenever Sam is on stream and there are comments about audio, he's on it in a flash.

 

Well, it'll be nice to drive a repainted train for a few minutes, before the game crashes ... I guess?

 

No patch for anything wow so I guess dovetail is proving me right that they dont care about the bugs they just want money

 

totally boring