Train Sim World 2 - Roadmap Update 25/01/2022

So no patch this week. With the amount of bugs you have you probably should be releasing one every week, especially when there is no new DLC being released.

But that would be logical, so why do it.

The whole bottleneck in QC the has been said too often and too long to be a valid answer anymore. It's been said since July and if you can't fix your operations in 6 months then I believe new management is required because obviously who you have in place is not doing their job.

Like how do you explain the pzb issue on RT that you broke with an update almost 4 months ago. And even been told a fix is ready 2 weeks later. And it still hasn't been released.

 

I have to agree on this one.

Somebody mentioned dtg has lost control over the code. I guess he was right.

 

[QUOTE="Like how do you explain the pzb issue on RT that you broke with an update almost 4 months ago. And even been told a fix is ready 2 weeks later. And it still hasn't been released.[/QUOTE]

And don't forget the LIRR M3 Alerter that was broken around the same time, when they released the LIRR update

 

I assume we’ll get some sort of patch/update next week?

Just push it out, DTG. Sod the download size limit, otherwise we’ll never get anywhere closer to resolving the bottleneck!

 

Look at the news on the TSW2 DTG site, they added a TS article. They lost control not just over the code but the site as well. Honestly lost faith in this game after 300+ hours.

 

Always find it strange that when you click "Hobbies" at the top of these forums, the image is still TSW 2020, which has never been updated to a newer image

 

Don't worry. Xbox achievements still are displayed as gained in TSW2021 and the BR 204 is advertised with a screenshot out of TS instead of TSW in the ingame store...
(haven't checked the last one for a while but it would surprise me if that has been substituted in the meantime)

 

They also stated they wanted to release updates in little chunks but still waiting for anything on the preserved routes. How are you going to relieve the bottleneck if you do start releasing anything?

I understand they need testing but you aren't going to convince me there isn't nothing you can release. Why not release all the RD updates in one go for the remaining Loco's. It won't affect anything else and if there is a problem then people will say so. IMO DTG are not looking 'professional' over this. Even Adam and his team are frustrated.

If this delay is down to the bean counters then perhaps they should be made aware at how many people are miffed at DTG and stopped buying any DLC. There is two routes I see on sale that I was going to get, Cathcart + Cornwall, but until I see the fixes I won't buy anything now.

 

This is what they just announce on their webpage, with still no fixes, patches or any update at all.
https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...le/tsw2-freestyle-livery-designer-competition

 

Of course there’s no fixes announced in a livery competition. That would be daft.

 

I don't see anything of the sort. It might be old browser cache on your computer.

Cheers

 

I'm guessing but I think his point is that the big announcement is about painting trains rather than fixing routes and locos, a sentiment I would tend to agree with.

Bread and circuses is the phrase that comes to mind.

 

Just watched the stream for this update and it was painful listening! Please get the audio issues sorted for the next roadmap stream, there were many comments about the difference in volume and not once was this acknowledged! This is not the first time there's been volume issues and it's just been ignored, whenever Sam is on stream and there are comments about audio, he's on it in a flash.

 

Well, it'll be nice to drive a repainted train for a few minutes, before the game crashes ... I guess?

 

No patch for anything wow so I guess dovetail is proving me right that they dont care about the bugs they just want money

 

totally boring

 

Agreed, we’ve been told there’s a meal coming for years and we’ve sat down the sights of an empty plate since. Unless, Adam’s preserved becomes tsw22 core release along with bakerloo passengers and sold as new game . Imagine the fallout then, paying again for the bakerloo timetable increase (zero interest in that route though I have).

 

Don't worry the patches will come. It'll probably 8-12 months at this point

 

Question is…..

Roadmap next Tuesday. Will it be a Prosecco or pitchfork party. Do we get preservation crew release dates or preservation crew work updates?

 

What I would like to see is a release date for updates that are done a ready to go, and a progress update on the ones as to when they will be ready.

 

Can't remember the last time we got a release date for anything on a roadmap...

 

Agreed but in this case some more 'definite' information would be appreciated especially seeing how long players have waited.

 

I fear we are more likely to receive the PC updates alongside some more or less appealing 'Expansion Packs' than anytime in their originally thought way.
And as it wouldn't be the wisest decision to state that as a developer I wouldn't expect anything else as phrases about the QC bottleneck on Tuesday.
Anything else would be a (welcome) surprise I guess...

 

It also is so annoying when DTG start going on about how they know about about our frustration, and say it is unacceptable ETC but they leave out the most important bit, what they are going to do and when.

I'm not 'demanding' anything I just want DTG to be honest. If you are not going to release the preserve route updates just tell us then I can move onto to something else. If you are then great, now tell us when we can expect them or roughly days, weeks, years, decades?

 

Players: "Please, sir, can I have some more bug fixes?
DTG: More? You want MORE????

 

That's the thing, they want you to keep buying content while you wait for the updates, until you finally realize that you're being taken.

 

Valid points made in this thread. Regarding the next roadmap, I'm really hoping for some new additions, even just a loco add-on - I need something to look forward to, ain't much at the moment!

 

Query: what was the last Preserved Crew update to be released, and when was it released?

 

Glancing through the patch notes, the last one to mention fixes for the Preserved Collection was August 13, 2021, which was also the last update before the release of the Rush Hour routes. The need to fix those up seems to have taken priority from that point. Until then, nearly every patch note from that date back to September 29, 2020 includes Preserved Collection fixes.

 

Was that the WSR revamp? That's the most memorable PC update.

 

Jesus, I could have got someone pregnant and nigh on joined the realms of fatherhood in that time ( had it not been for a hatred of bars, a pandemic and too much time on the sim )

 

And what are these "slots" they speak about? I have never heard of being limited to slots for upgrades and fixes. Maybe for DLC. But surely even if so you must get at least one a week.

So it begs an answer to my original question if no DLC this week why no update for whats done and ready to go surely a bunch has been through QC and just sitting there.

As someone else said, how are you going to clear the bottleneck if you don't release any of it?

 

I can only imagine it’s because they’ve taken on feedback that releases have caused more bugs and it’s a very fine balance between that risk and getting it out faster

 

I am not sure if there are a pile of updates which have cleared QA and are just sitting around waiting to be released or not.

Adam has a habit of saying he has finished with things but then they bounce back from QA or haven't even been tested yet, so it is a bit misleading to say there are updates ready to go out.

If there are updates ready to go then a completely blank week with no patches at all is really poor. But I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

 

I'd be wary of saying things like "it's misleading" when the "target" of QA is always moving. With core updates and a lot of moving parts (ie multiple DLC with multiple systems, and trains, and just about everything else) ensuring that another fix somewhere else doesnt' break the whole lot.

If you need an example of this see the "red light fix" which was intended to stop AI trains running red lights, but ended up bringing whole routes to a grinding halt.

 

176 days without a workplace accident fix. That's just a frazz shy of six months without any updates.

 

i have a feeling that there is not going to be any update probably for this whole month, because they are basically going to use most of the time with showcasing the expansion pack, which is not really interesting to me.

 

That’s just madness. Something is seriously wrong with the way things are operating which has allowed this to happen. Something needs to change ASAP!

 

This is from Nov 24th update:

Rhein Ruhr Osten

• Added RailDriver functionality to the DB BR 422
• Added Rush Hour passengers to Rhein-Ruhr Osten

and from October 27th:

• Added Rush Hour passenger system for East Coastway

So its not quite 176 days

 

Pretty minor, and neither fixed any bugs. Rush Hour passengers is literally a matter of checking a box to turn it on; easy enough to do it when they uploaded the 313 timetable.

 

177 days without a workplace accident fix.

 

That face you make when you just cant release your update into public.

 

I am hoping that on the next stream Since, Nat already mentions that Adam is not going to be present, and Matt is, He will at least tell us when these updates will be coming and give a date. They could have just given us a date, and not gone through this whole mess. I really hate arguing about it.

 

Matt isn't in charge of the release schedule

 

Who is than? and I think Matt should bring him onto the stream so that we can ask him straightforwardly.

 

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're expecting any dates on a roadmap stream.

 

I would envisage this will be Matt having to calm the fire, explain the delay again and talk through improvements. We need to remember the fishing game took their QA resource for a while too

 

It seems to me that it might make sense to divide the QA team into 4 teams, which would improve both speed and, at least as important, quality. There should be a "Trains" team which works on testing TS and TSW; a "Fish" team that tests EFS and FSW, an Unreal team that tests the engine core-programming aspects of TSW and FSW, and then, finally, a "Flying Squad" which is assigned to whatever product needs the manpower at the moment.

In this way we get specialists who are more attuned to the specific and particular issues of what they're testing (knowing PZB doesn't translate to knowing which lure to choose), avoid having one side of the company effectively held at a red light while the other one proceeds, and still preserve manpower flexibility according to demand.

 

Wouldn't that be less QA, more beta testing?