Upcoming Release Train Sim World 4 - Coming September 26th!

The special edition includes routes SEHS, LGV, Linke Rheinstrecke, NEC Boston-Providence. So does this mean these routes will be upgraded to TS4 with all it's new features?
Plus in Deluxe on Playstation page it says "Complex Dresden-Riesa". Is this the same as the Dresden-Riesa I already own, and if so does this mean I get that route upgraded? So the only benefit for me with the deluxe is the Flying Scotman and Vectron?
So all routes for TSW3 will now be obsolete and not upgraded? I have just saved up for Midland MainLine but now cannot see a point in purchasing now since it's TSW3 only. Would it take much work to upgrade TSW3 routes to TSW4?
Too many questions???

 

I was sceptical about the need for a new game however I'm more than happy with the value of what's on offer.

There's a few extra quality of life improvments I'd have liked (such as ways to toggle layering and better management of different versions of the same loco) but overall I'm happy with the update (especially the price per route with the deluxe edition with pre-order discount). This may come come the winter update though, fingers crossed.

The only group of users that should feel aggrieved in my view (apart from the poor souls on TSW2 patiently waiting for their DLC updates) are those that don't want any of the 3 new routes, as if you buy any of the single country packs on launch, you're getting TSW4 for free anyway!

 

I think TSW4 itself came as no surprise, but by 'eck have they impressed me with the route selection. As I have said as they announced the ECML route (not only was I sitting next to the line) but I must have looked like a mad man to the passengers on a passing train because I was jumping up and down like I did when Forest were promoted to the PL. Really stoked to have the Scotsman coming too, will certainly have some fun down stoke bank. All the annoyance about this section is unwarranted as it is a lovely section of railway and countryside which will bring the proper intercity experience to TSW. I actually think the core additions are much more deserving of a new game than TSW3 but to be honest ECML will be the highlight for me. I think this could be my first ever pre-order! Also nice to have some news on the JT route and a rough time span for the PFR diesel pack. I am going to have a very empty signature!

Also love the promo video especially Just can't get enough which brings back memories from both the 80s and the City Ground's stands. Big thumbs up for who chose to use that Depeche Mode classic!

 

I love the core game improvements, some of which are long overdue and some of which look brilliant, so very pleased to see that!

The routes, however, are deeply disappointing. ECML should have been London to Peterborough which would have allowed more variety in terms of rolling stock and services - both express and commuter. Instead we get possibly the most dull stretch of the ECML through Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire. A good length though which bodes well for future routes.

The US route is exceptionally dispiriting - as a North American rail fan I'm absolutely crushed that we get such a lame, boring route. We want decent freight routes, Tehachapi or the Canadian Rockies - something like that! There are so many interesting spectacular routes to choose from, and we get Cajon pt II.

And Austria - whatever. Another soulless, soporific modern EMU.

I love that the Flying Scotsman is in the game, but really annoyed that you have to buy the US and Austrian routes in a bundle to access it. Why would I pay all that money for routes I'll never play in a million years. Seems like gouging to me.

 

I'm assuming that this will come as it's own DLC at some point so you could just wait.

Given the price of the UK regional edition is £29.99 and the probable price of £14.99 for a loco, you'd probably save money buying the deluxe edition with the pre-order discount though and get two routes free!

 

hopefully this may help that issue you are having. Though this bundle won’t include the Scotsman

Edit: do note it would work out cheaper to pre order the deluxe instead of separately purchasing ECML and Scotsman but once the sale has gone it will work out more expensive with the deluxe if you don’t want anything else. And that’s only if you wish to pre order.

 

The following is in the TSW 4 FAQ. Check out link to the add-on guide for info on the existing TSW 2 & 3 DLC.
Will my add-on collection be downloadable in Train Sim World 4?
Yes, your collection comes with you, so long as your add-ons were purchased on the same platform and account on which you intend to play Train Sim World 4. All compatible add-ons are expected to be available to be downloadable at launch. Please have a look at our Train Sim World Add-On Guide for compatibility.

 

Peninsula Corridor is (still) one of my favourite TSW routes. Speaking for myself, I don't want another freight route where I just kick the throttle to notch 8 for forty minutes to climb up a hill, then ride the dynamic brakes back down the other side.

If Antelope Valley can deliver a similar feel to PenCor, but with the graphical and engine updates and upgrades made in the past four years, then that sounds pretty good to me.

 

That immediatly stuck out to me. I’m fairly certain this is the first time we’re getting a fully licensed loco - licensed by both the operator and the manufacturer. It’s also great to get another Siemens freight loco. The real ones are much nicer to driver than the TRAXXs.

 

So will there be the patch to fix the Baby Bullet on Peninsula Corridor, as was promised? Wasn't is "already fixed and just waiting for an appropriate deployment window"?

At least I'm on PC and can use the mod...

 

Penn Corridor is pretty much Caltrains only line aside from the Gilroy Stuff, Antelope Valley is a small remote branch of Metrolinks system, don't expect the same amount of traffic as Peninsula Corridor aside from LAUPT.

 

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This sounds like a recipe for disaster. I mean, you guys can't get scoring correct now, so with all these new criteria, stuff like unachievable medal requirements is practically guaranteed to get so much worse. Forget fixing what's broken, it's further breaking what's not even been fixed.

Are these so-called "improvements" going to be optional? Please tell me they are going to be optional. It's barely a simulator as it is, I don't want things simplified for "muh accessibility" even more than they already are.

 

TSW mechanic makes freight trains boring, adding coupler damage would make it tottally new experience.

 

I just have one question is all of the previous DLC is going to be available as soon as the game release? and another question for free roam , is that gonna be available for all DLC’s?

 

If you wait we'll probably get a UK edition.

 

The questions are answered in the TSW4 FAQ.
When will I be able to download my existing add-on collection in Train Sim World 4?
Your collection comes with you, so long as your add-ons were purchased on the same platform and account on which you intend to play Train Sim World 4. All compatible add-ons are expected to be available to be downloadable at launch. Please have a look at our Train Sim World Add-On Guide for compatibility.

If you read the compatibility article, it says Free Roam is exclusive to new TSW4 routes.
Orange Add-ons
These routes support all the latest TSW 4 features including Free Roam, Formation Designer, and Improved OHLE rendering.

I am surprised though that the updated DRA route is not painted orange under TSW4. It was my understanding that this route would be brought up to TSW4 standards. The FAQ says:

Which routes are being upgraded and what can we expect?
Nahverkehr Dresden will be upgraded to Train Sim World 4 standards, including features such as improved lighting, volumetric clouds, volumetric fog, improved OHLE rendering, free roam support and much more.

 

Actually really good route choice in my opinion and core updates are interested and looking forward to driving. Will likely preorder the deluxe edition on PS as its discounted and for reasons I'll list.

Austrian route:
Well done DTG! You actually have me excited for a non UK route. The way its described make it seem like a non linear commuter route - one of my favourite types of routes so that will be great and definitely be one of the few non uk routes I'll play.

UK:
I'm both hyped and disappointed. I love that it's more focused on high speed which I like and the rolling stock choice is... okay I guess. But I do with we also got a 91 or atleast an ai 700/1 for preterborough. But yeah I'll be looking forward to it and hope there are some interesting layers. There's also another reason I'll get too soon.

US:
Not much to say. I don't really care for US railroads so I'll never touch it most likely.

DELUXE CONTENT

Flying Scotsman:
Looks amazing and will definitely love driving this fanous loco - do we have layers onto other routes with this?

Railpool: I don't really know much about this not going to lie so not much of an opinion.

NDR: Rehashed route with a better timetable. One of my favourite German routes when I use to play on PC. Seems to be an alright purchase.

Surprised about the route choices and will probably get a deluxe bundle. Props to you DTG!

Albeit one last thing - hopefully a custom download manager will exist for things created with the pc editor but sure dtg will address that thoroughly.

 

That word "expected" show's that Not oboy is it a valid question but also that they're not 100% sure if the answer yet (which is a worry!).

 

I hope that sooner or later other TSW 3 Routes will get Free roam Support. Together with Consist Editor, Free Roam is the feature that made TSW4 a 100% purchase for me.

 

I think what we do need is improvements to the back catalog issues too, in TSW 4 is there improvements to the optimisation of the games GFX, loading times, the stuttering on some of the old TSW routes, some of the looping sounds on the old engines. I am only interested in the Peterbro-Doncaster route, and even that is going the wrong way, it should have been going to London, would have made more sense!. Will the old routes ever be optimised for TSW4?. Will there be a route extension in the future which goes to Kings X?. Will the PC editor ever make it to console?. And will we be able to see when selecting time of day in game to see how light or dark it is outside, something which is missing from TSW3.

 

To be fair it's been that way since TSW and the engine hasn't really changed - it seem extremely weird if they DIDNT allow your collection. And we know layers are being brought so yeah.

 

Train Sim World - Community fixes all the bugs for free now-Edition, cool

 

They did it again (talking about fixes and actually releasing a new iteration of the same old product), Achievments will be broken again (because no one looked into this, photo mode is more important), like always, I'm so fed up with this

 

To be fair arguably it IS more important. Achievements aren't the most important for a train game at the end of the game- highly doubt many people are trying to platinum TSW at the end of the day while as a brand new mode is fairly important.

 

Oh I completely agree that they will come, my worry is exactly when, specifically on PS5.

For TSW3 we had to wait over several weeks as they were released in tranches because Sony wouldn't allow DTG to upload all of the collection at once. This ment jumping between games depending on what route you wanted to play and possibly missing layers.

Fingers crossed it's day one for ALL platforms.

 

Totally agree with your point on the Flying Scotsman only available for preorder with routes I have zero interest in. The regional options should also be available for preorder. The core features are quite impressive indeed, therefore a huge well done to the DTG team. Please can DTG look into regional packs for preorder.

 

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Yeah.


Chances are I'll get it on PC for the editor anyway but yeah i do hope everyone gets it (if your curious because of the thread recently I *accidentally* may have stumbled across a massive SSD upgrade). But yeah I can see it being annoying but Sony is inevitable.

 

When we talk about "Ease Of Access". Will the old routes and locos that are nearly unplayable in TSW3 (like most old tutorials or like Rapid Transit or Baby Bullet) playable again in TSW4 or do we need to wait for a patch? For newbies it could be very confusing when, for example, tutorials are not working properly. Or should we expect even more problems with old routes in TSW4?

Altogether I'm very excited about what I've seen in the stream and I'm looking forward to the future of TSW.
I already preordered the deluxe edition. But pleaaaaaase DTG make everything work. Please.

 

Quick question:
Will some of the older routes be able to have the free roam in the future? Or is this for ever that only TSW4 and forward routes will have free roam.

 

I'm presuming only TSW4 unless they do a Boston Sprinter and remake it for the features. Like they did with the tsw3 lighting and whatnot.

 

Given DTG's appetite for reviewing older DLCs, I'd say there's very little chance they will add TSW4 stuff to older routes.
They did it to DRA so that there's a TSW4 German route at launch.
And it may happen again if, and only if, they bring in some update to an older route, the way they did with NEC-BP when they introduced the Acela.
Otherwise, you can expect TSW2/TSW3 DLCs to carry a warning like this:

 

I'd like to know how much additional hard disk capacity TSW4 will require.

 

You dont have to. The flying scotsman will be released sepreatly a month after launch. I belive the price is £12.99 I need to find now where I saw that.

 

I can probably awnser this:
For reference base TSW3 regular starter was around 30 or so GB'S. For reference Kassal Wurxburg was 10 GB, SEHS was 9 and CJP was 8. And then the base game and training centre added roughly another 10 so yeah roughly 30 GB. SOS was around 6. The average space for a DLC is around 5GB but can be more or less.

Albeit with the new pieces of software I could see that being 5-10GB so my guess is 40-50 GB of space for the regular. Deluxe would likely add maybe 6 or 7 more gbs through the 3 pieces.


EDIT: so atleast put say 150 GBs aside for it.

 

it is, I was just finding and alternative for the user I replied to above where they could get one route without the other 2, but they seemed also to have wanted the Scotsman, which in turn just makes if cheaper to get the deluxe instead if you want both (only whilst the discount applies)

 

I agree. I've pre ordered the deluxe pack. Even for just the UK route and Scotsman it's still good value. I'll probably dabble in the other 2 routes as well.

 

Its extremely good value.

Especially via steam with a loyalty discount its cheaper to buy it then the two UK bits separately. And I'm interested in all but two of the pieces of deluxe ware (one of which only being because I already own it) so its a bargain for the price it is.

 

definitely the version I’m interested in, for the special I’m only missing on Linke, which I intend to grab at some point.

 

One question to the hardware requirements: In the FAQ I only see nVidia GeForce and AMD Radeon cards mentioned. Does that mean that cards with Intel Arc graphic chips won't be supported?

 

Why was this release made public so close to Gamescom but not at the actual event? Wouldn´t it be a good opportunity to present to a much bigger audience especially considering how Germany is home to so many sim games and afficionados?

Still making baby steps and no fixes for immersion breaking issues such as lags and stutters or finally introducing the missing features on some DLCs such as PIS, correct rolling stock, complete and correct landmark buildings not just select ones etc. that were omitted in the original releases.

Good luck with the launch. The game looks more like TSW 3.5

 

New stuff sales..... its easier to advertise such "new" game.
It do not only look like v3.5....it is. And people celebrate it
An yes... i know... i dont need to buy it. Thats correct.

Dont understand me wrong... as you all can see in my signature i often particpiate in screenshot contests so it means i play it also often.
But meanwhile ive didnt thought that i would be the "one on the other side".... one that cant really go on like nothing happens and support unfinished stuff again and again... and ive bet that TSW4 will have problems like TSW3.
The funny thing is that we often heared that there is lot to do and always lack of time to sort out the bugs....and the truth is that this time was spent on work for TWS4.
Thats not the fine way.
But hey... its just my opinion.

 

I'm waiting to hear that GWE is not compatible or it will not feature any upgrades.

 

A couple of questions:
Will the old trains from before TSW4 be available on formation designer? Or is it just the new trains? For example the GWR HST so I can turn it into a 9+2 for the ECML route?
For the Flying Scotsman stock, has a West Coast Railways licence been obtained to run Mk2s with accurate branding?

 

TSW4 looks great and all, and I'll more than likely buy it, but PLEASE say the SFJ Baby Bullet services are fixed...

I have waited... And waited... and waited some more for one of my favorite routes to be done justice but it's been on the back-burner for so long it's darn-near burnt.

 

If freight running was improved in TSW - refined braking physics, distributed power, and PTC/signalling accurately modeled - and the routes were more varied (give us more yards for shunting duties, or more branch-line freight operations like Clinchfield) I might agree with you. But as they currently stand, there is more to do/more engagement, at least in my opinion, in passenger routes, which is why I prefer them.

As for being unpleasant/aggressive... uh, I wasn't? Unless I missed the memo that providing a contrasting viewpoint is now aggressive.

 

Although I would appreciate a more precise figure from someone at DTG, I do thank you for your estimate.

 

Sorry I was just presuming it was a genuine question to anyone.

 

I finally got to watch the stream and my feelings are VERY mixed.

The release content looks...off.
Vorarlberg on paper is a route for me, but with only the S-bahn 4024, it's going to be a one-trick pony unless you get the expensive edition which adds freight at least. Plus from the announcement, the route looked very weird. Lighting was off and everything had a very plastic vibe.
Antelope looks a bit better, but it's another California route and once again without many substitutions. Only freight with some of the Cajon trains I imagine.
ECML once again looks a bit empty, the basic edition is only the Azuma and maybe the 158 and 700 (I don't know where they run on the route).
Locking the Scotsman and Vectron behind 65€ bundle rubs me the wrong way also.

But on the other hand, I'm glad our cries for better creation tools have been heard and we're finally getting the editor.
The rest of the improvements (ease of use, etc.) don't sway me either way.

This time the post-release content looks better than the base package, hopefully it will not follow the TSW3 trend of rushed DLCs.

I might get it once the Preston route from JT and the Swiss route from Rivet come out. By that time, the mods will work again and there could be something good from the editor.
Given that TSW4 releases the same day as Phantom Liberty, I will stick to TSW3 for now.

Still don't understand why this couldn't be an update for TSW3 with a route package... apart from not having to deal with backward compatibility and squeezing more money from your customers.

 

To be fair it might aswel be a route package.

Sure locking it behind is a little annoying but if you think about it like I do and think of it as a really good route package rather then a paid update then you relize how good for value It truly is.

 

It is a good value for the package, that is true. Each route is cheaper than if they weren't part of the bundle. I hope the quality will be up there as well (mainly Vorarlberg as that looked heavily WIP in the stream - missing catenary, weird lighting, sparse scenery).

I'm not a fan of yearly releases, bi-yearly would be my preference. The issue is that this locks further DLCs behind the requirement of owning TSW4, which means getting it with at least one of the new routes.