Train Sim World 5 - The Cat Is Out The Bag

i had to go back to this comment when something hit me. remember when TSW2 was announce and they said they were moving away from the yearly name (like TSW2020) to free them from having the restraint of a yearly release? I 'memba. Pepperidge Farms remembers.

 

I like this idea.

For example, I don't play Tees Valley any more but I keep it installed for some of the stock that came with it. To be able to choose a stock only option on routes would help with disk space as each new incarnation of TSW swallows up more and more of the drive.

 

I agree with you entirely. I merely drew attention to the post to caution those who might fall foul of it, (in this particular case, and in the future).

 

If the upcoming UK route is WCML South, it would likely to start at London Euston, which would bring us another major terminal station. Some major terminal stations in game ( New Street, Piccadilly and Waverly) are almost empty due to lack of suitable train or TOCs' license. Would London Euston become another big but empty terminal station?
Services at Euston are operated by 4 TOCs, Avanti West Coast, London Northwestern Railway, London Overground and Caledonian Sleeper( Wouldn't appear due to lack of proper train and coach).
Avanti West Coast
Train uses: Class 390, 221 and 805
My Prediction: all service would appear , 221 and 805 services would use 390 instead

Timetable from avantiwestcoast.co.uk
London Northwestern Railway 5tph
Train uses: Class 350
My prediction: would appear in game if the leak is correct

London Overground 4tph
Train uses: Class 710
My prediction: would appear as layers

Since 3 of 4 TOC's service at London Euston would appear in finally game, and DTG do has the proper train( expect 221 and 805, but services using these two trains can use 390 instead). I think London Euston wouldn't be an empty terminal.

 

I do fear that like ECML a WCML route will be for me disappointing.

I was very excited when Euston to New Street came to TSC, it was the one route I always wanted. That was around ten years after the first iteration or Rail Simulator.

It seems far too early in TSW's life to see such a route, if ever as it would have intense scenery at the London end plus several largish towns along the way.

I imagine it will be a compromise and one I fear won't be fulfilling. I feel with large mainline routes you need a focal point or a major station at both ends.

That is of course just my view and won't bother many as long as it's part of the WCML.

 

I agree. This has been a problem with a number of recent routes like PFR, ECML, Glossop and FCL. Routes should really have important terminal stations at both end points.

And even when you do get terminal points, those massive stations are often empty and uninteresting.

 

So they were real? That doesn't sound suprising. That explains why the thread dissappeared

 

I have just ridden Wien Hbf to Marchegg as passenger IRL, 140 kph beybeh 8) ... last time it had gone only 120, I guess the renewed track is getting into right groove lol... btw if we get RailJet, I hope we also get NightJet, with its distinct roomette/couchette almost double deck coaches

 

The majority of TSW routes have always had one terminus on one end. For me that’s acceptable in most routes, especially when we’re talking Intercity Mainlines.

If a potential WCML route spanned EUS - MKC, I don’t think it would be the worst thing, within it we would have an almost fully utilised main station (something quite rare for TSW) a full LO line & a 2 contained runs for LNWR services - not particularly short ones either.

ECML was disappointing because they went for length & 80X runtime - rather than logical start & end points. GWE was disappointing because you could hit either end of the route in less than 20 minutes. EUS to MKC offers a better mix of self contained lines & 30 minute high speed running - a mix that IMO has been successful on the likes of Riesa - Dresden.

Hopefully there is work being done to get some kind of network connection system into the game. I get it’s more complicated than TSC, because TSW is more complicated - but at the end of the day TSW is more modern & I refuse to believe that methods to do so, don’t exist. I truly hope that TSW doesn’t exist purely to be a one hit wonder with each DLC & that there is a plan in place to brings better realised mainlines.

 

Excuse my relative ignorance of UK geography, but would Milton Keynes be that much of a terminal point? When I look at the map it looks more like an outer suburb of London. Only 50 miles door to door. And in an emu, would it be that captivating? Looks about the size of Peterborough, so another ECML- type route.

Well, to UK fans it obviously is exciting. But it wouldn't endear me to the 3 route bundle that is coming from DTG this summer, especially if it also includes San Bernardino. It's looking like a copycat of last year's TSW4 bundle.

 

Not a major terminus, but it is a principle station. There are terminating services there (for local trains). It is one of the bigger stations on the southern end of the WCML, certainly something you notice pulling into. 7 platforms & a huge overshadowing station building.

There wouldn’t really be a station much different other than Birmingham or Crewe & both those are much farther away then we should expect. Anything between MK & those 2 would only add length, not service logic.

 

How many services actually terminate at Milton Kenyes?

 

I have bought everything for both console Xbox and Steam and will be extremely disappointed if TSW5 means that everything has to be reinstalled. Having a very slow internet connection it takes over an hour to install only 5Gbs. I really don’t want to have to do this procedure again. This will mean that I won’t buy TSW5. I have enough to play with and TSW4 unlike TSW3 runs well for me. If later on l decide to purchase it, l will wait for a bargain price. If TSW5 is just a change of name, then l might consider it. I shall wait and see. I hope DTG take the appropriate action concerning the leak.

 

2 an hour, another 3 an hour terminate earlier at Tring. Then there’s 3 AWC services in each direction that stop at MK.

Hourly, it’s about 10 trains in each direction that stop at MKC, LNWR & AWC combined.

Anything else passing though is either AWC that ends far beyond this section, or the LNWR services to Crewe/Bham & Northampton. MKC is pretty much your only terminus for anything before Birmingham. Then Tring & Watford Junction before it.

 

I'm starting to agree. I originally would have loved the longer route, but not so sure now. I live in Manchester and use WCML 3-4 times a year, so for me, Birmingham isn't a station I'm used to as "WCML", the Trent Valley is where most of the services go. Looking at the map someone posted of Avanti routes and stops, MK does seem a logical point - though I'd love to have Northampton added for the stoppers. That could mean we get Rugby, but nothing stops there Intercity wise so they'd have to pull the old "red light" or "random stop at the station" excuse to make you stop and end the route. Rugby however is a logical route split point as the route splits from Birmingham one line and Trent Valley the other there. I'm also interested to see if Watford DC lines are in drivable or just AI layers.

 

That's without doubt. But i still think that they are going to give us a huge discount since we as rail-fans community been a loyal customer with them for a long time. How much do you think that they are going to discount it for. Also isn't there suppose to be a US Route added to the bundle along with a UK and German route, cause that's how they always been doing it in the past so i was a little confuse of how they bundle the package with no US Route. I believe some of the leeks are real and fake. The Avanti might be the only real thing, we just don't know about the German route and the US Route, even though they are releasing it with TSW5 if that does happen.

I wonder what make the team jump on to TSW5, it have to be something major, like maybe Multiplayer is Coming, Realistic 3rd Rail Electric on the ground and on the panto graph. Since the guard mode have been leak i believe if multiplayer do come there will be an option where we play as the dispatcher, dispatching all of the train from the central tower, terminal, control tower and etc, which would be really cool and awesome. Hopefully that will be the case. Maybe the long awaited passenger train announcement on the platform and station also be another feature in TSW5, which will work for all of the route. We maybe finally will see a full long route not route that are just in parts. These are all the feature i can come up with for TSW 5.

With that being said, if the team do decide to releasing TSW5, for the following installment they should get rid of the NUMBERING System and Just Come with a new name Such as may Train Sim Universe, something like that, and just update the game and release new contents on the same instead of using numbering sequence which is annoying. Feel feel to comment to this

 

I suppose it comes down to how you look at it. Several AWC services don’t stop for what, 100 miles outside of Euston, pointless really trying to find a suitable terminus for it, that DTG could realistically build. No matter where you aim you’re only getting 3 TPH there.

If you look at it as an LNWR route, MKC is sensible. There are 2 other terminating stations before it for them & MKC itself makes a third one.

The extra time you’d spend in a 390 isn’t going to get you anywhere more purposeful, DTG aren’t going to build out to BNS.

 

LOL but you are so true that is going to be one of the feature

 

It might also could just be an anouncement and some photo in WIP for TSW5 and then released it in Spring 2025 which is somewhere like in March or April 2025

 

None from Avanti lol. They hardly stop there too!

 

If it was Euston to Milton Keynes it wouldn't be much of a high speed run. That at least is one good thing about ECML you do get a decent fast run.

I realise not everyone wants a long high speed run but I find the sense of speed and getting somewhere is something to be savoured.

Both GWML and MML high speed runs are over too quickly in my view.

The trouble with WCML, for it to make logical sense is the major hubs are more spaced out which presumably is further out than DTG want to build.

I agree that Milton Keynes would at least give you some self contained services with the 350. It would be like Paddington to Reading for the high speed services though.

 

Personally I Think Preston to Carlisle or Carlisle to Glasgow would be the most sensible. Northern stopping services plus AWC decent length with a good amount of stops in between and fairly large stations to start and finish.

 

I’ll bet they settled on Euston after the complaints they got from not having KGX on ECML. WCML will be tricky wherever you go, due to AWC’s timetable.

 

Yeah. Sounds about right. Tbf we haven't had a London route for a while but still. At least give it a decent run. MKC is way to short for me and just seems like a rubbish place to end it. :/

EDIT: Not saying Milton Keynes is a bad town/area. Just saying that it doesn't have much of a large station to terminate services at.

 

It’s not great for Avanti services, but anywhere else is gonna be too far for TSW, a reality I’ve come to accept.

Milage wise Birmingham isn’t a huge increase over what we had with ECML, but the London end of WCML is a pretty big project to pull off, a reason DTG gave for omitting a London based ECML.

End of the day though, we’re assuming MKC over seeing one image. Maybe there’s more to it.

 

Well in that case, if the route will terminate at Milton Keynes, then it's a route I won't buy. I'm tired of high speed routes ending at illogical endpoints. I understand that making long routes are difficult, but higher speed trains like the 390 need to have much longer runs. Yes there is the 350, but apart from it's sound it's just another desiro. Not really a remarkable train in my opinion.

The route should go to Birmingham New Street

 

Since we've had small projects from DTG since TSW4 launched I'm hoping (praying it's longer.) I mean Kassel Wuirzburg was similar length for TSW3, this'll just have more scenery and modelling.

 

Yeah I’m looking forward to some busy mainline action again. The thing is though, those 70/80/90+ mile routes are the exception, the 40-60mile routes are rare & the sub 40 mile routes are the norm.

If we get 50 miles & the DC line, with a 350/390&710 to serve, it’ll be the most exciting bit of content I’ve seen all year.

EUS > BNS is a dream & for now I’m treating it as such.

 

Not to mention but there's a least a few curves to show off the Pendelino!

 

I mean, logically you're right, but i'm feeling optimistic today lol, and think we'll actually get Euston-BNS.

It's purely based on vibes, speculation, and guesswork lol.

DTG's first-party output for TSW4 has been kinda light, especially on the UK Side, so maybe they've had a team working on WCML South for a long time, compared to a typical project.

We've had 2 trains confirmed (via the leak) for the new route, which gives it a bit of a flagship feel.

BNS and the Class 323 have already been modeled in the game, which would reduce the workload a little bit.

Bakerloo and Goblin line stock fit nicely into the package as well.

If DTG have upped their project management game, it should absolutely be possible.

 

When I first saw the WCML South suggestion above in this thread my thought was that Milton Keynes would be a bad place to stop because it's a very short run were any Avanti services included. But then I thought about the scope of West Midlands services many of which would be proper end-to-end runs not just to MK but intermediate stations with semi-fasts and stoppers (not to mention depot runs to Bletchley and also Euston sidings) but also end-to-end on the Overground Line again with depot runs to Willesden.

This would be an unparalleled variety of game play from a TSW product and I therefore hope DTG do make this route at some point because I would definitely buy it. Though take it up to Rugby or Northampton and I'd love this suggestion even more.

 

That's what I'm interested about, are there any places where you can use the tilting feature on Euston - MKC part? The route looks quite straight

 

Wouldn't that make the route cost more? More work would be put into it and assuming that DTG are charging us £30 pound for... some routes... I am terrified to imagine the price of such route as EUS to BNS

 

There are some amazing curves over the Chiltern Hills, I think it's between Berkhamsted and Leighton Buzzard, a tilting train feels brilliant irl.

 

I feel that if the route were to end at MKC then it would be a massive let down, one of the most highly requested routes to be a half an hour run to as you say, what is essentially an outer suburb of London. Really wouldn't be much of a fulfilling experience.

I think it would be much better to add the run up to Rugby, giving the 390 a better chance to stretch it's legs and have the possibility of including the Northampton loop for complete commuter runs. This would then give the route a similar length to the ECML, but a much greater potential. Otherwise we might as well have anther GWE.

 

Going all the way to Birmingham New Street could be possible, but in terms of memory usage wouldn't that be pushing the limits? If Brighton Main Line supposedly struggles with a route size more comparable to Euston - Milton Keynes, then I highly doubt Birmingham NS is even an option.

They barely made it work in TSC, and even then the initial release was an unfinished mess. Also to miss out on the Northampton Loop again (a major route component where all freight and slow services go) would be a disappointment. I say they should focus on a smaller route segment and perfect that first - like we saw with the extra detail the Goblin line received.

 

As i understand it, the memory limits are related to the number of unique rail vehicle units that are loaded into memory, not the physical length of the route. So, Brighton Mainline is pushed to the limit by the sheer variety of vehicles it uses.

 

Is what you say about the arrival of Spain to the simulator true? If that is true, as a Spaniard, for me it would be the best route in history

 

Everything affects the memory usage. In BML's case, it is likely a combination of timetable complexity, dense urban scenery, numerous large stations and landmarks, as well as lots of track, signals and railway infrastructure to compile. Reducing the number of different rail vehicles used was an easy fix to make it Gen 8 console compatible.

By all accounts a WCML South route could easily be as complex as BML, especially with Class 710, 1972 stock, Class 377 and freight/railtour layers.

 

Sadly no. Just a little whimsy.

 

I wonder awfully what the new features will be. I wonder if anything new will appear

 

If these leaks are true, l can see why DTG are annoyed, as I am as well. It has taken away the element of surprise. Whoever did this, also has spoilt the trust DTG have in their Beta team.

 

spotted on the 158 preview video, notice the purple hue?

that ain’t no ordinary dev build

 

I always hoped (and after DTG Alex's answer on a rodamap Q&A) that the Railjet at least comes with TSW5 as a flagship train but I think Austria already became extinct im TSW.... And for the Nightjet I think this isn't a n attractive idea for DTG, as you mostly drive in coplete darkness (especially in TOD4) and there are not so many services per each route...or they use the RHTT concept here...
I think we both have to get through hard times with no new Austrian content anymore...

 

I'm just going by something Matt P has mentioned before- that the unique rail vehicles are the biggest limiting factor based on how much memory they use- i don't doubt that everything you mentioned affects it to some degree though.

I assume it's also why layers are often limited on the Gen8 versions.

Also, and this REALLY isn't trying to start a controversy, but we don't know 100% for sure that TSW5 will be supported on Gen8 consoles- just to be clear i'm not advocating for this, but Gen9 consoles will be out 5 years this fall- that's most of an entire generation by historical standards (caveat that COVID has probably altered the Gen9 timeline in some way or another).

 

Well spotted, that's really interesting!

 

Do you suggest that they are testing class 158 in similar to what we've seen in the wcml one build of tsw?

 

What do you mean? What does that mean?
EDIT: Oh wait nvm. I get it

 

WHAT TRAIN IS THIS. Is this For REAL. It look like a JAPANESE TRAIN for some reason LOL

 

It could even be something small such as since Focus changed their branding to PullUp they want the new name and logo on the opening screen..